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Nice review there! I did the Advance Rider Course with Bike Talk. Agree 100% its worth every cent I paid! I have been on and off motorcycles since I was 11. I still learned very valuable lessons on my course. The emergency breaking from 100km/h. Nerve wrecking to do but wow, confidence you learn in your machine & equipment! Cornering techniques with counter steering helped me considerably with understanding exactly where to look around a corner.

Yeah, they have more advanced courses, that I'll definitely be doing, once I have some more riding time under my belt.

Thanks for the review! What was the cost of this day out?

Total cost was R2050 incl. VAT. Might be worthwhile to check their site, as I'm not sure what the VAT will do etc.

For the couple though, a mighty expensive failed date :)
 
Take aways - I was under the impression that I'll buy the bike the one day and start riding to work the next. This opened up my eyes to realise that there is a lot of practicing to be done first, and I'll probably take a month after buying the bike to practice some more of these techniques.

TL;DR - I am not sure how anyone starts riding on the road without having done something similar.

I started on an offroad Yamaha wr250f, not the easiest bike to start on but an off-road imo is the best way to start. you can drop the bike without worry, plenty power to learn the respect you should have for these machines. And loads of fun in the process.
 
BMW Motorrad Novice course write-up

So, I went to the novice course over the weekend. This was my experience as someone who, until this weekend, had never ridden a motorcycle before.

The course started at 08:30ish and we went all the way to 16:30 - it included about 40minutes at around 12:00 for a nice lunch, including a pudding.

We were 5 people on the course starting out, there was a couple that took the course as a "failed" date, as the boyfriend never told the GF what they were doing and apparently she is deathly afraid of anything with two wheels - they left after lunch, so we were 3 by the end of the course.

The day started with some theory, basically, where and what controls there are, the effect they have on the bike and importantly, what NOT to do. This lasted about 15 minutes, so avoided boredom. Then we all got fitted in BMW supplied gloves, jackets and helmets, and moved to the motorcycles. They had 4 of the new G310R cycles available, and the latecomers - the couple - had to use one of their older Yamaha 250's - so arrive early if you plan on doing this course.

They had us holding the bike on its balance point moving around the bike and changing our grip on it several times, just so you can see that the bike wants to stay upright. After this, we had an explanation of the start-up process, how to mount the bike, where the kill switch is, the different ways to switch it off etc. then, with the bike started, we walked it by having the clutch in the friction zone - uphill - so you can't BS your way through it. And playing with the front brake. Back down to where we started and we mounted the bikes, put them in first and basically repeated the exercise but riding on the bikes this time.

Once that was finished, we were told to change gears and given a short loop to ride, basically, changing from 1st to 2nd the whole time, whilst getting a feel for the front brakes. The next exercise was pulling away on an uphill - what a bitch :) but pretty soon, with the explanation of the sweet spot on the brakes etc we were going at it full steam - this was followed by an "outride" through the Zwartkops area - not on the track at all, just the roads around it. Never leaving the premises though, as that would require a license, or learners at least. This was the last exercise before lunch and from here onwards the content is the same as the "refresher" course they present. It started with some more theory, around road positioning and safe riding - 20minutes, so short again.

First post lunch exercise was another outride through the track area, just to get everyone re-acquainted. Then we started with slow control and maneuvers - trying to go through cones placed way too close together, whilst dragging the rear brake and keeping the engine revs a little higher, looping around and coming back trying again. From there we moved on emergency braking - which was interesting, to get your confidence levels up, after which we got showed how to pick up a 1200GS, in a way that makes it easier. Finally, we moved on to a counter steering exercise and that concluded the day.

Take aways - I was under the impression that I'll buy the bike the one day and start riding to work the next. This opened up my eyes to realise that there is a lot of practicing to be done first, and I'll probably take a month after buying the bike to practice some more of these techniques.

Through every exercise, there was two instructors helping us, guiding us and reminding us to keep our eyes up. They were watching your clutch hand, your rear braking and front braking. Overall, they were fantastic.

TL;DR - I am not sure how anyone starts riding on the road without having done something similar. The course is awesome, and by the end of the day, I was confidant enough in my own skills, but also aware of my shortcomings so I know there is a lot of work. Well worth the money!

Feel free to ask any questions.

*disclaimer, I might've missed some stuff here and there, but I'm confident I have the gist of it written down.
And the chick quitting is precisely why I tell people to do some training first before running out and buying a bike.

Because if you bought it you try to "make it work" instead of accepting it's not for you and that's how people get hurt.

Glad it was worth it for you. Many people don't see why they would need it.
 
I did the same course. It was great. Did you get to ride any of their demo bikes?

How did your hands feel the next day?

No. Since they switched to the G310R's they don't bring other demo bikes - barring the 250K R1200GS the instructor was riding. :)

My wrists are still shot. More so on the throttle side :)
 
No. Since they switched to the G310R's they don't bring other demo bikes - barring the 250K R1200GS the instructor was riding. :)

My wrists are still shot. More so on the throttle side :)

ahh, you learned on the 310s? Nice!
I did the course on some crappy chinese 250s... but I did get to try out an F800R and I got to ride his GS too ;)
 
Many people don't see why they would need it.

Honestly, it should be compulsory. They should makes completing a course like this necessary for getting your learners instead of the stupid written test.

Probably with an advanced one needed for licence - similar to the model in the states with their MSF.
 
ahh, you learned on the 310s? Nice!
I did the course on some crappy chinese 250s... but I did get to try out an F800R and I got to ride his GS too ;)

Yeah. We used the 310's :) Awesome little bikes.

They didn't even have other bikes available, and honestly, no one in our group asked to ride the 1200 - I'm sure he would've if we did.
 
I must look into something like this then. Hopefully they do something similar in Cape Town.
 
Honestly, it should be compulsory. They should makes completing a course like this necessary for getting your learners instead of the stupid written test.

Probably with an advanced one needed for licence - similar to the model in the states with their MSF.
My opinion is the same even for cars.

It's astonishing that you can legally be allowed on the road with heavy machinery after nothing more than a written test.
 
My opinion is the same even for cars.

It's astonishing that you can legally be allowed on the road with heavy machinery after nothing more than a written test.
At least with a car you have to have a responsible driver with you...
 
Jirre you have a special love for ugly as **** bikes.

Nee wat Street Triple all the way for me.

And MT07 failing that.

It's called "je ne sais quoi" ;)

KTM 790 Duke. 105hp / 86nm from a 270 degree 790cc Ptwin. Weighing in at 169kg dry, Cornering ABS and all the other tech wizardry with the TFT screen for Cellphone integration etc.
a slipper clutch and “Motor Slip Regulation,”
These include tree preset riding modes, which include Sport (lowest intervention of electronics), Street, and Rain (maximum intervention.) Additionally, a customizable Track mode is available.Available as a additional mode that can run concurrently with the four main riding modes, Supermoto disables all restrictions to the rear, including traction control and ABS, allowing you to lock the rear wheel and slide around your favorite Supermoto circuit.

A comprehensive IMU-supported electronic package will be standard. Featuring lean-angle-detecting traction control, cornering ABS, wheelie control, as well as launch control, the new Duke has an electronics suite well above the status quo for its class.
Forget the clutch; an up-and-down quickshifter is standard equipment.


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i.e imho Knockout punch in their first entro to the class. :D
 
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BMW Motorrad Novice course write-up

So, I went to the novice course over the weekend. This was my experience as someone who, until this weekend, had never ridden a motorcycle before.

The course started at 08:30ish and we went all the way to 16:30 - it included about 40minutes at around 12:00 for a nice lunch, including a pudding.

We were 5 people on the course starting out, there was a couple that took the course as a "failed" date, as the boyfriend never told the GF what they were doing and apparently she is deathly afraid of anything with two wheels - they left after lunch, so we were 3 by the end of the course.

The day started with some theory, basically, where and what controls there are, the effect they have on the bike and importantly, what NOT to do. This lasted about 15 minutes, so avoided boredom. Then we all got fitted in BMW supplied gloves, jackets and helmets, and moved to the motorcycles. They had 4 of the new G310R cycles available, and the latecomers - the couple - had to use one of their older Yamaha 250's - so arrive early if you plan on doing this course.

They had us holding the bike on its balance point moving around the bike and changing our grip on it several times, just so you can see that the bike wants to stay upright. After this, we had an explanation of the start-up process, how to mount the bike, where the kill switch is, the different ways to switch it off etc. then, with the bike started, we walked it by having the clutch in the friction zone - uphill - so you can't BS your way through it. And playing with the front brake. Back down to where we started and we mounted the bikes, put them in first and basically repeated the exercise but riding on the bikes this time.

Once that was finished, we were told to change gears and given a short loop to ride, basically, changing from 1st to 2nd the whole time, whilst getting a feel for the front brakes. The next exercise was pulling away on an uphill - what a bitch :) but pretty soon, with the explanation of the sweet spot on the brakes etc we were going at it full steam - this was followed by an "outride" through the Zwartkops area - not on the track at all, just the roads around it. Never leaving the premises though, as that would require a license, or learners at least. This was the last exercise before lunch and from here onwards the content is the same as the "refresher" course they present. It started with some more theory, around road positioning and safe riding - 20minutes, so short again.

First post lunch exercise was another outride through the track area, just to get everyone re-acquainted. Then we started with slow control and maneuvers - trying to go through cones placed way too close together, whilst dragging the rear brake and keeping the engine revs a little higher, looping around and coming back trying again. From there we moved on emergency braking - which was interesting, to get your confidence levels up, after which we got showed how to pick up a 1200GS, in a way that makes it easier. Finally, we moved on to a counter steering exercise and that concluded the day.

Take aways - I was under the impression that I'll buy the bike the one day and start riding to work the next. This opened up my eyes to realise that there is a lot of practicing to be done first, and I'll probably take a month after buying the bike to practice some more of these techniques.

Through every exercise, there was two instructors helping us, guiding us and reminding us to keep our eyes up. They were watching your clutch hand, your rear braking and front braking. Overall, they were fantastic.

TL;DR - I am not sure how anyone starts riding on the road without having done something similar. The course is awesome, and by the end of the day, I was confidant enough in my own skills, but also aware of my shortcomings so I know there is a lot of work. Well worth the money!

Feel free to ask any questions.

*disclaimer, I might've missed some stuff here and there, but I'm confident I have the gist of it written down.

Nice write up.
 
BMW Motorrad Novice course write-up

So, I went to the novice course over the weekend. This was my experience as someone who, until this weekend, had never ridden a motorcycle before.

The course started at 08:30ish and we went all the way to 16:30 - it included about 40minutes at around 12:00 for a nice lunch, including a pudding.

We were 5 people on the course starting out, there was a couple that took the course as a "failed" date, as the boyfriend never told the GF what they were doing and apparently she is deathly afraid of anything with two wheels - they left after lunch, so we were 3 by the end of the course.

The day started with some theory, basically, where and what controls there are, the effect they have on the bike and importantly, what NOT to do. This lasted about 15 minutes, so avoided boredom. Then we all got fitted in BMW supplied gloves, jackets and helmets, and moved to the motorcycles. They had 4 of the new G310R cycles available, and the latecomers - the couple - had to use one of their older Yamaha 250's - so arrive early if you plan on doing this course.

They had us holding the bike on its balance point moving around the bike and changing our grip on it several times, just so you can see that the bike wants to stay upright. After this, we had an explanation of the start-up process, how to mount the bike, where the kill switch is, the different ways to switch it off etc. then, with the bike started, we walked it by having the clutch in the friction zone - uphill - so you can't BS your way through it. And playing with the front brake. Back down to where we started and we mounted the bikes, put them in first and basically repeated the exercise but riding on the bikes this time.

Once that was finished, we were told to change gears and given a short loop to ride, basically, changing from 1st to 2nd the whole time, whilst getting a feel for the front brakes. The next exercise was pulling away on an uphill - what a bitch :) but pretty soon, with the explanation of the sweet spot on the brakes etc we were going at it full steam - this was followed by an "outride" through the Zwartkops area - not on the track at all, just the roads around it. Never leaving the premises though, as that would require a license, or learners at least. This was the last exercise before lunch and from here onwards the content is the same as the "refresher" course they present. It started with some more theory, around road positioning and safe riding - 20minutes, so short again.

First post lunch exercise was another outride through the track area, just to get everyone re-acquainted. Then we started with slow control and maneuvers - trying to go through cones placed way too close together, whilst dragging the rear brake and keeping the engine revs a little higher, looping around and coming back trying again. From there we moved on emergency braking - which was interesting, to get your confidence levels up, after which we got showed how to pick up a 1200GS, in a way that makes it easier. Finally, we moved on to a counter steering exercise and that concluded the day.

Take aways - I was under the impression that I'll buy the bike the one day and start riding to work the next. This opened up my eyes to realise that there is a lot of practicing to be done first, and I'll probably take a month after buying the bike to practice some more of these techniques.

Through every exercise, there was two instructors helping us, guiding us and reminding us to keep our eyes up. They were watching your clutch hand, your rear braking and front braking. Overall, they were fantastic.

TL;DR - I am not sure how anyone starts riding on the road without having done something similar. The course is awesome, and by the end of the day, I was confidant enough in my own skills, but also aware of my shortcomings so I know there is a lot of work. Well worth the money!

Feel free to ask any questions.

*disclaimer, I might've missed some stuff here and there, but I'm confident I have the gist of it written down.

Sounds really cool. How much was the course? You have a linky? I want to get my girlfriend onto her own bike and riding eventually (when I/we can afford another bike).

Coincidentally, I also spent Friday at Zwartkops on a BMW training course of sorts. But this one was company sponsored and of the M3 DCT variety :twisted:
 
It's called "je ne sais quoi" ;)

KTM 790 Duke. 105hp / 86nm from a 270 degree 790cc Ptwin. Weighing in at 169kg dry, Cornering ABS and all the other tech wizardry with the TFT screen for Cellphone integration etc.
a slipper clutch and “Motor Slip Regulation,”
These include tree preset riding modes, which include Sport (lowest intervention of electronics), Street, and Rain (maximum intervention.) Additionally, a customizable Track mode is available.Available as a additional mode that can run concurrently with the four main riding modes, Supermoto disables all restrictions to the rear, including traction control and ABS, allowing you to lock the rear wheel and slide around your favorite Supermoto circuit.

A comprehensive IMU-supported electronic package will be standard. Featuring lean-angle-detecting traction control, cornering ABS, wheelie control, as well as launch control, the new Duke has an electronics suite well above the status quo for its class.
Forget the clutch; an up-and-down quickshifter is standard equipment.


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i.e imho Knockout punch in their first entro to the class. :D
That's all lovely but doesn't fix the look.

Would rather go without a bike for a year and wait for the others to catch up.
 
It's called "je ne sais quoi" ;)

KTM 790 Duke. 105hp / 86nm from a 270 degree 790cc Ptwin. Weighing in at 169kg dry, Cornering ABS and all the other tech wizardry with the TFT screen for Cellphone integration etc.
a slipper clutch and “Motor Slip Regulation,”
These include tree preset riding modes, which include Sport (lowest intervention of electronics), Street, and Rain (maximum intervention.) Additionally, a customizable Track mode is available.Available as a additional mode that can run concurrently with the four main riding modes, Supermoto disables all restrictions to the rear, including traction control and ABS, allowing you to lock the rear wheel and slide around your favorite Supermoto circuit.

A comprehensive IMU-supported electronic package will be standard. Featuring lean-angle-detecting traction control, cornering ABS, wheelie control, as well as launch control, the new Duke has an electronics suite well above the status quo for its class.
Forget the clutch; an up-and-down quickshifter is standard equipment.


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i.e imho Knockout punch in their first entro to the class. :D
That would make it about the only bike in that class with all the fancy electronics.
I'd take it, regardless of looks (although I am very partial to nakeds) just for all the safety features.
 
That would make it about the only bike in that class with all the fancy electronics.
I'd take it, regardless of looks (although I am very partial to nakeds) just for all the safety features.
Don't be too hasty before seeing the price...
 
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