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Tickled_Tortise said:
Can you switch off that slipper clutch or quickshifter or electronic suspension?

Aids are great they are the future I just don't want to be robbed of the authentic experience.

I now know how to handle a sliding bike through experience, something I wouldn't know anything about if I jumped straight onto a high end bike.
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Slipper clutch/Quick shifter and Electronic suspension doesn't count as safety aids do they? Not that I have any of those. I've got ABS and TC. Kind electronic suspension.

You don't need to use a quick shifter either, not sure that you can do anything about a slipper clutch.

I've taken a turn on a wet piece of tar a bit too quickly and felt the TC step in. Seeing as there was moving vehicles in the oncoming lane, I was quite happy. Same with ABS - had to brake suddenly and felt the pulses.

Not saying either of these incidents would've wrecked me necessarily. And I've ridden with the ABS off, although that was when I thought it was broken, but in incidents where you need to react suddenly, I'm quite happy to have the computer there to help.

I'll switch these things off when practicing or venturing off road or whatever.
 
GhostSixFour said:
Slipper clutch/Quick shifter and Electronic suspension doesn't count as safety aids do they? Not that I have any of those. I've got ABS and TC. Kind electronic suspension.

You don't need to use a quick shifter either, not sure that you can do anything about a slipper clutch.

I've taken a turn on a wet piece of tar a bit too quickly and felt the TC step in. Seeing as there was moving vehicles in the oncoming lane, I was quite happy. Same with ABS - had to brake suddenly and felt the pulses.

Not saying either of these incidents would've wrecked me necessarily. And I've ridden with the ABS off, although that was when I thought it was broken, but in incidents where you need to react suddenly, I'm quite happy to have the computer there to help.

I'll switch these things off when practicing or venturing off road or whatever.
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No one can fault you for wanting the safety features, I will also want them one day and I'm probably stupid for taking the risk of riding without any.

I'm not intentionally avoiding safety aids, I avoided ALL aids for my first bike, I'm just trying to see what a pure and simple bike feels like and to gain the skills needed to ride one.
 
Tickled_Tortise said:
No one can fault you for wanting the safety features, I will also want them one day and I'm probably stupid for taking the risk of riding without any.

I'm not intentionally avoiding safety aids, I avoided ALL aids for my first bike, I'm just trying to see what a pure and simple bike feels like and to gain the skills needed to ride one.
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Yeah, we all have our own risk/reward schedule and plan. Yours is just different from mine. End of the day, we're all out there in the trenches dodging the same bull****.

As said before, respect to your method man. :)
 
Tickled_Tortise said:
Iv seen some of them, pretty informative.
But since I'm a new rider (7 months in the saddle) I made the decision to cut my teeth on bikes that are pure, to get to grips with the essence and feeling of a motorcycle. When I'm experienced and feel that iv earned my stripes I'll upgrade slowly.
I don't want to be the guy who jumps into a 2018 audi RS3 presses launch control and puts his foot flat while the DSG changes gears and then calls himself a racer.
Similarly I did not want to learn on a bike with every ride assist feature in the catalogue and then call myself a biker. That's just me.
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I can understand where you are coming from with regards to Active assistance...but passive assistance like ABS should be on every single bike.

Even Valentino Rossi wouldn't ride without ABS on a public road.
 
Tickled_Tortise said:
Can you switch off that slipper clutch or quickshifter or electronic suspension?

Aids are great they are the future I just don't want to be robbed of the authentic experience.

I now know how to handle a sliding bike through experience, something I wouldn't know anything about if I jumped straight onto a high end bike.
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Slipper clutch isn't all that to start with.

And yes you can choose NOT to use the Quickshifter if you fancy.

His suspension also works exactly the same as yours, only that you need to pull out a spanner to change it whereas he doesn't.

None of the above will remove from your ability to handle the sliding of a bike.

And really the trick would be to not have the bike sliding in the first place and TCS/STM is a good safety net for when that happens.

If you are a good rider you'll never ever see the ABS or TCS light come on and when you get to the point that it does intrude then it's time to take it to the track rather than the public roads or then to adjust it away.

Regardless if anything the lights coming on from safety features are a learning tool of themselves to tell you not to do that again and in most cases without you breaking anything. Without them there you might not live to tell the tale or have to ability to ever see them flash again.

There is nothing more authentic about going without safety features. I have them all and yet never "use" them so my experience is as authentic as yours for 99% of my riding.

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Now if you told me that Rain Mode which limits your horsepower was removing your ability to learn to handle the power...that's the one part I can agree with.

Having learnt the hard way like you are attempting is exactly what I had to go through to get where I am with riding now and I can honestly say it served no benefit and I couldn't with a clean conscience recommend anyone forego safety features that are plainly available in this day and age.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Slipper clutch isn't all that to start with.

And yes you can choose NOT to use the Quickshifter if you fancy.

His suspension also works exactly the same as yours, only that you need to pull out a spanner to change it whereas he doesn't.

None of the above will remove from your ability to handle the sliding of a bike.

And really the trick would be to not have the bike sliding in the first place and TCS/STM is a good safety net for when that happens.

If you are a good rider you'll never ever see the ABS or TCS light come on and when you get to the point that it does intrude then it's time to take it to the track rather than the public roads or then to adjust it away.

Regardless if anything the lights coming on from safety features are a learning tool of themselves to tell you not to do that again and in most cases without you breaking anything. Without them there you might not live to tell the tale or have to ability to ever see them flash again.

There is nothing more authentic about going without safety features. I have them all and yet never "use" them so my experience is as authentic as yours for 99% of my riding.

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Now if you told me that Rain Mode which limits your horsepower was removing your ability to learn to handle the power...that's the one part I can agree with.

Having learnt the hard way like you are attempting is exactly what I had to go through to get where I am with riding now and I can honestly say it served no benefit and I couldn't with a clean conscience recommend anyone forego safety features that are plainly available in this day and age.
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I didn't know you could choose not to use a quickshifter and it is the first time iv heard of a rain mode, it's amazing. I saw a video of new tech that can stop you from falling if you have leaned too much, aids are definitely the future, there are very few bikes over 200cc that don't have abs as standard already.

But, one day when bikes are very different from how they are now and old bikes are banned or impossible to come by I would know how it felt to ride one. and if I'm still alive, there will be a conversation on this forum about how bikes used to be.... and [MENTION=155336]simm_card[/MENTION] and I will be able to join in and reminisce telling the story of how his bike stopped sideways In the pedestrian crossing after a rear wheel lock up.
 
Tickled_Tortise said:
I didn't know you could choose not to use a quickshifter and it is the first time iv heard of a rain mode, it's amazing. I saw a video of new tech that can stop you from falling if you have leaned too much, aids are definitely the future, there are very few bikes over 200cc that don't have abs as standard already.

But, one day when bikes are very different from how they are now and old bikes are banned or impossible to come by I would know how it felt to ride one. and if I'm still alive, there will be a conversation on this forum about how bikes used to be.... and [MENTION=155336]simm_card[/MENTION] and I will be able to join in and reminisce telling the story of how his bike stopped sideways In the pedestrian crossing after a rear wheel lock up.
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What you saved by not buying the rider aids - you lose by buying so much new underwear.
 
simm_card said:
Managed to lock up the rear approaching a robot this morning, then pull the front brake too hard and that also locked.

Kept it upright while the bike leaned to the left, lucky in the lane split between 2 cars. Stopped inside the pedestrian crossing lines.

By then the bike was switched off, stuck in 3rd gear and me fully awake.
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Just to get back to this as it was bothering me on my ride home and maybe it's just the sequence in which you explained it but I'd rather be sure than ignore it.

Are you using the rear brake as your primary and/or first braking action?
 
Tickled_Tortise said:
I didn't know you could choose not to use a quickshifter and it is the first time iv heard of a rain mode, it's amazing. I saw a video of new tech that can stop you from falling if you have leaned too much, aids are definitely the future, there are very few bikes over 200cc that don't have abs as standard already.
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Quickshifter only works if you ignore using the clutch, so you can use the clutch as per normal like on any other bike if you fancy. It would actually be useless having a quickshifter if you couldn't do this as not all situations are quickshifter friendly.

Rain Mode on many bikes limits the power to 99hp or whatever the manufacturer deems safer as well as ramps up the sensitivity of traction control aids. In cases like my own bike it doesn't limit the power but it fiddles with the throttle response in such a way that it's delayed so you don't accidentally throw too much power at it too quickly.

I override that by using a custom profile whereby I set the throttle same as I have it every other day but only ramp up the passive safety features to Rain mode. I feel it's counter productive to make your bike act differently than in normally does when everything around you is changing for a giving time/day due to weather and you are more likely to get it wrong.

But, one day when bikes are very different from how they are now and old bikes are banned or impossible to come by I would know how it felt to ride one. and if I'm still alive, there will be a conversation on this forum about how bikes used to be.... and [MENTION=155336]simm_card[/MENTION] and I will be able to join in and reminisce telling the story of how his bike stopped sideways In the pedestrian crossing after a rear wheel lock up.
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I get the sense that you haven't actually ridden a bike with any of these safety aids and that your expectation of how they work is altered to that of reality.

I've ridden in today's pissing rain and wind in Cape Town like I do every other day and nowhere once has any of the safety features come into play in any day.

In fact they've only ever once came on when I wasn't forcing them in the 28,000km and that was when hitting a patch of oil on a rainy morning and I can guarantee if it was on a bike without them no matter how good a rider you are that you would have gone down in that same situation.
 
This discussion reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw on an old Golf a while back

"No airbags - we die like REAL men"

Going to have one made for the KLR and substitute 'airbags' for 'ABS' :D
 
SauRoNZA said:
Quickshifter only works if you ignore using the clutch, so you can use the clutch as per normal like on any other bike if you fancy. It would actually be useless having a quickshifter if you couldn't do this as not all situations are quickshifter friendly.

Rain Mode on many bikes limits the power to 99hp or whatever the manufacturer deems safer as well as ramps up the sensitivity of traction control aids. In cases like my own bike it doesn't limit the power but it fiddles with the throttle response in such a way that it's delayed so you don't accidentally throw too much power at it too quickly.

I override that by using a custom profile whereby I set the throttle same as I have it every other day but only ramp up the passive safety features to Rain mode. I feel it's counter productive to make your bike act differently than in normally does when everything around you is changing for a giving time/day due to weather and you are more likely to get it wrong.



I get the sense that you haven't actually ridden a bike with any of these safety aids and that your expectation of how they work is altered to that of reality.

I've ridden in today's pissing rain and wind in Cape Town like I do every other day and nowhere once has any of the safety features come into play in any day.

In fact they've only ever once came on when I wasn't forcing them in the 28,000km and that was when hitting a patch of oil on a rainy morning and I can guarantee if it was on a bike without them no matter how good a rider you are that you would have gone down in that same situation.
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The only bike Iv ever been on is the one I own, so ya I didn't know much about how they work, but I know a lot more now, thanks.
I'm actually itching to try out a 1200GS with all the bells and whistles or something similar. They look very intimidating, always wondered what it feels like to ride those huge adv bikes.
 
Tickled_Tortise said:
The only bike Iv ever been on is the one I own, so ya I didn't know much about how they work, but I know a lot more now, thanks.
I'm actually itching to try out a 1200GS with all the bells and whistles or something similar. They look very intimidating, always wondered what it feels like to ride those huge adv bikes.
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Do yourself a favor - go do a course at BMW. Any course. And watch the instructors man-handle those things around. They have some serious skills!
 
Guys....Help please. Urgent!!!!

I have suspected for some time now that my chick has been cheating on me. You know, just the usual signs: The phone rings and when I answer, the caller hangs up. Plus, she goes out with the girls a lot. I usually try to stay awake to look out for her when she comes home, but I always fall asleep. Anyway, last night about midnight, I woke up and she was not home. So, I hid in the garage, behind my KTM 450 and waited for her. When she came home, she got out of someone's car, buttoning her blouse. Then she took her panties out of her bag and slipped them on. It was at that moment, while crouching behind the bike, that I noticed a hairline crack in the magnesium engine casing cover. Is that something I can weld, or do I need to replace the whole cover?"
 
GhostSixFour said:
R106 for a sparkplug? fscking con artists..
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from what I've heard, my bike takes 4 plugs and they will cost around R1500 to replace......

BUT, they also seem to last >50 000km
 
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