question about friendship

[Syndyre]

There's no irony, just repetition of a mistake. It has to end somewhere, but why get an attack of honesty at that point? Maybe that's where he should have begun to realise that the truth is best and your word should be your bond.

I agree with you in most cases and I think he should have said from the beginning that he wouldn't go along with it etc. but you could argue his honesty was protecting the gf.

 

[Praeses]

You shouldn't have told him you'll keep quiet and end up telling your woman. You should've just told him you won't allow him screwing up his relationship and possibly infect your fiancee's best friend. Either way, what he did was wrong and if he's gonna hold it against you, he's a worthless friend. Do you really want to be friends with a guy that doesn't care if he infects people with STDs and ruin trusting relationships? He should be thanking you for hopefully preventing spreading disease to his gf, even if they break up. He sounds pretty irresponsible.

 

[Syndyre]

I think the STD thing is overblown here (excuse the pun). If they were visiting hookers, then that is taken care of is it not - and they wouldn't have had to buy protection - making the story a bit skief. But anyhow, it's about trust. Once shattered, rarely regained.

What do you mean "taken care of"?

 

[killadoob]

hmmm i highly doubt hookers keep condoms

specially when its 350 a box and 450 for no condom at that place

as for being tested how do you explain to your g/f, its fine hunny they have condoms and they get tested (presumably) umm hunny i think they get tested im not sure actually

yes that logical


when a man knows he is going to get laid does he leave it up to the female to provide a condom? or does he keep some in car/wallet etc

 

[Syndyre]

No need to buy them. Would the hookers not keep a supply?
And hookers have regular tests (presumably).

Presumably they'd have a supply. As for the regular tests I'm not so sure.

 

[Alan]

Isn't it slightly ironic to worry about breaking the trust of someone who's broken the trust of his gf in an infinitely worse way?

Exactly

I think the STD thing is overblown here (excuse the pun). If they were visiting hookers, then that is taken care of is it not - and they wouldn't have had to buy protection - making the story a bit skief. But anyhow, it's about trust. Once shattered, rarely regained.

Jeez it's becoming more and more evident why aids is so prevalent

 

[Alan]

So if Killa's friend went and shot some innocent person dead for their wallet and Killa promised not to say anything it would be expected of him to keep his word.

 

[Syndyre]

No need to buy them. Would the hookers not keep a supply?
And hookers have regular tests (presumably).

I wonder what your chance of catching something, specifically HIV is, if they're infected when you use a condom?

 

[sabagamma]

Exactly

So in your little world because Killa's friend broke his implicit vow of fidelity to his gf then it is ok for Killa to break his word? You have some sense of morality.

Jeez it's becoming more and more evident why aids is so prevalent

If you look at the stats you will find that casual sex causes the overwhelming majority of Aids infections - so leave the happy hookers alone.

So if Killa's friend went and shot some innocent person dead for their wallet and Killa promised not to say anything it would be expected of him to keep his word.

There is no need for a contrived example, it is just a red herring and does not help the discussion. Killa has given us a breakdown of the matter at hand, so lets just stick to it and not derail the topic.

 

[Alan]

Ja, because some people don't realise that condoms are the main way to prevent it Even the hookers know that doh!

Actually the main way to prevent it is to abstain

So in your little world because Killa's friend broke his implicit vow of fidelity to his gf then it is ok for Killa to break his word? You have some sense of morality.

Yes. Says a lot about your morality when your 'word'; to a deceitful prick is worth more than warning an innocent person who not only is being deceived, used and her dignity abused but her life is possibly being endangered.

I honour my word to people who deserve it. If they think they can abuse others while holding me to my 'word' they can go jump. Maybe you should think about somebody other than yourself and your 'word' and what devastating consequences your selfishness can have on others.

If you look at the stats you will find that casual sex causes the overwhelming majority of Aids infections - so leave the happy hookers alone.

It all adds up.

There is no need for a contrived example, it is just a red herring and does not help the discussion. Killa has given us a breakdown of the matter at hand, so lets just stick to it and not derail the topic.

It's only a derailment because you can't deal with it. It's a question of how much your 'word' is worth. Well is it worth letting somebody gett away with murder? Or does that cross the line but somebody shagging whores behind a person's back doesn't. So much for morality

 

[sabagamma]

Actually the main way to prevent it is to abstain

True and continued abstinence will lead to a human population of zero. The best way to avoid AIDS is to be monogamous, use condoms and not do drugs / share needles.

Yes. Says a lot about your morality when your 'word'; to a deceitful prick is worth more than warning an innocent person who not only is being deceived, used and her dignity abused but her life is possibly being endangered.

I honour my word to people who deserve it. If they think they can abuse others while holding me to my 'word' they can go jump. Maybe you should think about somebody other than yourself and your 'word' and what devastating consequences your selfishness can have on others.

My word is exactly that - mine and it comes with my backing. You can be guaranteed that I will honour it no matter who you are, be you a bum in the street or Warren Buffet. You cannot be trusted, today if I am considered an upstanding member of society you will keep your word, tomorrow I could be falsely accused and you will dishonour your word - shameless.

How exactly do you decide who are those who deserve it? Is it those who conform to your self-righteous view of "deserving"? Should we take a test before we tell you something? Who would you have honoured more, Pontius Pilate or Johan the Baptist? What exactly are your criteria so that we may know if we are deserving enough of your honour?

Can we assume that since Killa is a pill popping, whorehouse frequenting liar that he does not deserve the honour of your word?

It all adds up.

True, but you don't collect raindrops when trying to stop a flood.

It's only a derailment because you can't deal with it. It's a question of how much your 'word' is worth. Well is it worth letting somebody gett away with murder? Or does that cross the line but somebody shagging whores behind a person's back doesn't. So much for morality

There is no need for a derailment of this thread so don't try and justify it. Why are you trying to confuse the issue (you do that a lot BTW)? The water is already murky - no need to throw more mud at it. Focus on Killa and his whoring friend, we are far from done with that.

 

[Alan]

True and continued abstinence will lead to a human population of zero. The best way to avoid AIDS is to be monogamous, use condoms and not do drugs / share needles.

Abstinence from sleeping around. Having more than one partner.

My word is exactly that - mine and it comes with my backing. You can be guaranteed that I will honour it no matter who you are, be you a bum in the street or Warren Buffet. You cannot be trusted, today if I am considered an upstanding member of society you will keep your word, tomorrow I could be falsely accused and you will dishonour your word - shameless.

How exactly do you decide who are those who deserve it? Is it those who conform to your self-righteous view of "deserving"? Should we take a test before we tell you something? Who would you have honoured more, Pontius Pilate or Johan the Baptist? What exactly are your criteria so that we may know if we are deserving enough of your honour?

Good to know you value your 'word' so highly you're willing to allow a third party suffer perhaps even pay with her life. I'd rather 'comprimise' my word in favour of her.

People who know me know exactly what I stand for. They know if they ask me to keep my word regarding certain matters like intrusting me with looking after their house or pets while they're away I'll certainly honour it. They know I wouldn't uphold my word if they abused for nefarious means. Of course I wouldn't make the promise in the first place though.

I give my word to people. If through their actions they prove they don't deserve it like taking advantage of an innocent third party then they've proven themselve unworthy of my word.

Thankfully I don't have you as a friend. To think you could socialize and accept hospitality from somebody while holding such a devastating fact about something so close to a person's world as a relationship beggars belief. How can you look them in the eye knowing that your 'word' to some scum bag could quite possibly result in her getting aids . Then to think you'd expect your friends to do that to you. Unbelievable.

sabagamma: I'm dying of aids from my cheating gf

person: I knew she was sleeping around but I promised not to say anything

sabagamma: Good. You kept your word. A true honourable friend you are.

Honestly is that not totally fsked up

Can we assume that since Killa is a pill popping, whorehouse frequenting liar that he does not deserve the honour of your word?

Who said he was a liar. I'd give him my word. By coming out and being honest about what the scum was doing to his gf it shows he has decent morals. I'd never give my word for anything nefarious so I need not worry.

True, but you don't collect raindrops when trying to stop a flood.

Every bit helps. Collect enough rain drops could well go a long way to help stopping a flood.

There is no need for a derailment of this thread so don't try and justify it. Why are you trying to confuse the issue (you do that a lot BTW)? The water is already murky - no need to throw more mud at it. Focus on Killa and his whoring friend, we are far from done with that.

I'm focusing on a person's 'word' which is the crux of the argument. Going by yours it's safe to assume you would allow somebody to get away with murder because you gave them your 'word'. After all you said it yourself My word is exactly that - mine and it comes with my backing. You can be guaranteed that I will honour it no matter who you are

 

[Velenoso]

My word is exactly that - mine and it comes with my backing. You can be guaranteed that I will honour it no matter who you are, be you a bum in the street or Warren Buffet. You cannot be trusted, today if I am considered an upstanding member of society you will keep your word, tomorrow I could be falsely accused and you will dishonour your word - shameless.

How exactly do you decide who are those who deserve it? Is it those who conform to your self-righteous view of "deserving"? Should we take a test before we tell you something? Who would you have honoured more, Pontius Pilate or Johan the Baptist? What exactly are your criteria so that we may know if we are deserving enough of your honour?

Exactly. You word is your word. No matter WHAT. Don't give it if you're not prepared to honor it. Once you've given it that's that, whether its covering up a murder or whatever. So if you can't handle it, don't give your word.

 

[Alan]

Exactly. You word is your word. No matter WHAT. Don't give it if you're not prepared to honor it. Once you've given it that's that, whether its covering up a murder or whatever. So if you can't handle it, don't give your word.

Well I'm sure every rapist, pedophile, cheater,and mass murdering psychopath is happy to hear they could rely on your word if they got it

Pity their victims.

 

[Velenoso]

Well I'm sure every rapist, pedophile, cheater,and mass murdering psychopath is happy to hear they could rely on your word if they got it

Pity their victims.

Alan, my point is, don't give your word to protect something/someone that you do not agree with? If someone told me they raped someone I would crack his head, I would not give him my word to keep quiet about it, then go report him to the cops the next day? Know what I mean?

 

[Syndyre]

Alan, my point is, don't give your word to protect something/someone that you do not agree with? If someone told me they raped someone I would crack his head, I would not give him my word to keep quiet about it, then go report him to the cops the next day? Know what I mean?

What if you agreed to keep quiet about something that was seemingly meaningless at the time but you later found out was related to e.g. a rape? Would you not break your word for anything?

 

[Ou grote]

When friends like these, who needs enemas?

 

[HavocXphere]

When friends like these, who needs enemas?

I think you've had enough to drink for one night. Time to go to bed.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

Seems to me the fact that you were high on illegal substances caused you to give your word on something that you wouldnt have done sober. Thats where the *** struck the fan.

So you made a bad decision to go along with his shenan igans and he made a bad decision to have a whore. You felt bad once the drugs wore off. How do you know he didnt as well? Had you discussed it with him when you were both sober you could have ensured that it never happened again (until the next trip at least)

So now you are know around town as a person that cant be trusted and he as a guy who cheats on his gf with whores. What a situation..........

You broke a man code alright. But only because you werent in a sober enough state to have made an agreement under the relevant man code.

Good luck.

 

[Debbie]

My word is exactly that - mine and it comes with my backing. You can be guaranteed that I will honour it no matter who you are, be you a bum in the street or Warren Buffet.

Then what of killa's word to his fiancee? Is the trust between killa and his fiancee subservient to the trust between killa and his friend? That's a recipe for divorce!

killa, you did the right thing. your buddy put you in a position that jeopardised YOUR engagement and YOUR relationship with your fiancee. He broke the trust first.... tell him to go jump in a lake.

And to everyone who thinks it is okay to sleep with whores behind your gf's back and expect your buddies to keep your dirty secrets, at risk to their own relationships, you are not a true friend. What goes around, comes around.