Vox Telecom Fatpipe

Come to think of it I don't believe ever seeing pro rata in the fine print either. But it's common practice. Must customers would freak at being billed in full on the last day of the month. That Vox data rolls over makes pro rata a moot point. Again, buy what you need.
 
If you're rolling over more than 2-3 times your monthly cap, then you're on the wrong package.

If you're unsure about the policy, it's very simple to post here, PM cvanwie or Voxy or just call customer support.

Alright I think we're going off on a tangent here. My point isn't the rollover, but sudden change of product agreement without notification to client.

Hope that clears things up.
 
You said the agreement hasn't changed, did you have a look at the website's listed product overview? You seem to know a lot about Vox, is the website correct? Does this apply to us? Are you ok with this lack of communication?

The website is correct yes. I seem to recall the 100gb special accounts stipulating the 6 month cap but in the first couple of days there was a change or 2.

The 100gb rate of R164 was to be reevaluated after 12 months. That was changed to until the customer cancels.

Not sure at what stage the 6 month cap was formerly introduced but it may have been within a couple of days of the special being advertised on their site.

Read this thread. You'll get a good idea of the timeline.
 
Alright I think we're going off on a tangent here. My point isn't the rollover, but sudden change of product agreement without notification to client.

Hope that clears things up.

Did the terms change from infinite rollover to 6x cap max? If so, there should've been an email at least.

Even so, it's still a generous and fair policy, not really worthy of moaning over.
 
Did the terms change from infinite rollover to 6x cap max? If so, there should've been an email at least.

Even so, it's still a generous and fair policy, not really worthy of moaning over.

The wording is ambiguous.

It is fair and I don't think throwaway is disputing that. He's disputing a potential change of policy without prior notification.

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/131720-massive-100gb-adsl-special-launched.html

“The advantage of the Fat Pipe Data bundles is that all unused data rolls over to the following month indefinitely and doesn’t expire while you are subscribed to Fat Pipe,” Vox Telecom said.

That statement should have been followed up with "to a maximum of 6 months of your monthly cap".
 
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I took it on the 27th of last month and there was no 6 months mentioned then.
Not that I really mind, it is still a hell of a lot better than a 100Gb account that expires every month like I was used to.
If I ever built it up to 600GB I doubt I could use it anyway even on a 10Meg line.
 
I'm just saying, yes the change is small and can be looked over, but the fact that it was done under the carpet means Vox can do whatever changes they'd like to their products without any notice sent to clients, which in any situation is extremely dangerous.
 
I took it on the 27th of last month and there was no 6 months mentioned then.
Not that I really mind, it is still a hell of a lot better than a 100Gb account that expires every month like I was used to.
If I ever built it up to 600GB I doubt I could use it anyway even on a 10Meg line.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/711998-Vox-Telecom-100GB-ADSL-Fat-Pipe-special-launched

I'm pretty sure it was documented quite soon after the special started. The above thread will act as an accurate timeline to when it was formerly documented.
 
Nothing in that thread I linked to. It must have been one of the other Vox threads. This one perhaps?
 
Just to start the Monday off the right way:

1) Roll over maxes at 6x the quota value of the plan purchased, the roll over does continue indefinitely though, its just a ceiling and quite fair. Someone mentioned: "if you are carrying over lots each month, you are on the wrong package" +1

2) sand_man in regards to the link you posted to someone claiming they are maxing their carry over to 300GB, there was and is no code to such values.

I'm sure there's more, I'll check in after morning meetings.

Regards,
Chris
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Chris Van Wie
Solution Architect
Vox Telecom Limited
 
Just to start the Monday off the right way:

1) Roll over maxes at 6x the quota value of the plan purchased, the roll over does continue indefinitely though, its just a ceiling and quite fair. Someone mentioned: "if you are carrying over lots each month, you are on the wrong package" +1

2) sand_man in regards to the link you posted to someone claiming they are maxing their carry over to 300GB, there was and is no code to such values.

I'm sure there's more, I'll check in after morning meetings.

Regards,
Chris
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Chris Van Wie
Solution Architect
Vox Telecom Limited

Morning Chris

Thanks for the feedback meneer!!

Yeah, I think we clear on the 6x quota value. Throwaway420 was questioning more when the quota was introduced and how were customers notified?

TIA
 
not the point. NO email was sent to me, and by the sound of sand_man, anyone else. Lack of communication = sign of things to come.

19 posts and you make statements like this?
I have been with VOX for years now, there is no sign of things to come unless by that you mean good internet.
 
19 posts and you make statements like this?
I have been with VOX for years now, there is no sign of things to come unless by that you mean good internet.

Ok firsly let's address this. My post count has nothing to do with anything, get off your high horse and lose the emotional attachment you seem to have with this ISP (looking at your posts from 2013 all the way to today I see you have a buff with CW/OW and Afrihost and seem to love Vox so much you show a geniune passion for defending them as if their interests were akin to yours, do you work for them?)

That said, I don't care how long you've been with them, a good business-client communication relationship is the most important factor in a product. I went through this thread and found the following cases where Vox changed small, medium and even a biggish terms of service agreement policies (or parts thereof, and by the reaction provoked, without any communication to their clients on either MyBroadband, email or otherwise.)

Uncapped Bolt-On limted to 10Mbs. (seems pretty huge, yet the change was undisclosed)
Fat-Pipe promotion "contract" agreement changing from 12-months to indefinate (this one was a positive for the client but still not communicated)
and now the issue I highlighted about roll-over terms changing.



Now while I can see these changes warranted, the fact that NO NOTICE OF CHANGE, AT ALL was sent out to clients. You can defend them all you want but that is just bad practise. You CANNOT simply change terms that a client agreed to on signup whenever you feel like it without letting them know. While cvanwie seems to be a great guy and this is more than likely a decision that management made (Chris, you're just in DevOps or do you have some influence in this?) Vox has a repuation for lack of communication, and it's extremely dissapointing that an ISP that seems to want to deliver on their promises, change their promises mid-run, without announcing it.

To clarify; Vox may change whetever they want, they can even change the terms of service to sniff all my data (which is illegal) and I'll still use them as an ISP, on the basis they let me know. What the change is doesn't matter, the manner in which you execute the change does.

This is all from me, my question was answered (thanks again Chris and sand_man!)

Cheers.
 
Guys, moan and b*tch all you want - I'm just grateful for a great internet experience with HD buffering on all services with Vox - and thank God I don't have to deal with AH again!!

6month cap - bleh - communicated or not - their internet QUALITY is worth it!!

Happy , happy, happy!!!!
 
Uncapped Bolt-On limted to 10Mbs. (seems pretty huge, yet the change was undisclosed)
Fat-Pipe promotion "contract" agreement changing from 12-months to indefinate (this one was a positive for the client but still not communicated)
and now the issue I highlighted about roll-over terms changing.

Now while I can see these changes warranted, the fact that NO NOTICE OF CHANGE, AT ALL was sent out to clients. You can defend them all you want but that is just bad practise. You CANNOT simply change terms that a client agreed to on signup whenever you feel like it without letting them know. While cvanwie seems to be a great guy and this is more than likely a decision that management made (Chris, you're just in DevOps or do you have some influence in this?) Vox has a repuation for lack of communication, and it's extremely dissapointing that an ISP that seems to want to deliver on their promises, change their promises mid-run, without announcing it.

To clarify; Vox may change whetever they want, they can even change the terms of service to sniff all my data (which is illegal) and I'll still use them as an ISP, on the basis they let me know. What the change is doesn't matter, the manner in which you execute the change does.

This is all from me, my question was answered (thanks again Chris and sand_man!)

Cheers.

All very valid points. As a company, our marketing to our customers is done on our website. It is a central place to have information for easy reference. MyBroadband is a wonderful platform which enables us to interact closer with our customers, it's very easy for information and misinformation to fester unless you go through hundreds of forum pages to find something, whereas on our website, its a click and the information is outlined.

During the sign up for products, there are T&Cs, and in them, there are references to Fair Use Policies, Access Use Policies, and a statement which allows us (the network operator) to ensure that all customers are able to enjoy their service as much as possible and we are able to change the network as we see fit for the masses. Our highest goal is to provide the best over all network and have each and every one of you, your friends, their friends, and families sharing and enjoying network together.

While we took a huge risk by introducing a 6pm to 6am time slot, and in doing so, there was an unexpected impact on the network at that time by the VDSL customers. The timing was incredible! We didn't have a lot of VDSL (20mbps & 40mbps) up until that Bolt On was released, it was like an awesome case of bitter sweet.

After a lot of analysis, we (team of people) determined that the remedy was to limit the product down to 10mbps. In doing so, we upset some people, and understandable; but we have an entire network to consider. There were some clever people who realized that they could buy multiple G4G+BOLTON packages and bond the line speed on their network while paying such a small amount and get so much. These people are the minority and it was an expected use case.

Now to talk about the Fatpipe ceiling of carry over... Touchy subject and excuse me for treading lightly here.

Carry over was something we chose to do, to differentiate a bit in the market. In doing so we opened the door for "sticky" product, I mean who would want to leave TB's of data behind when deciding to move to another provider? No one I know. Then business wanted to introduce a ceiling of 6x the amount of provisioned quota. While the information about this is in the market, the code has not been implemented yet. We know precisely how many customers would be affected and in what amounts of bandwidth that they would lose. There are many aspects which we are contemplating about when and how to implement such a ceiling. There has been talks of email campaigns, SMS, vouchers for lost data, special cases, etc... None of which has been finalized and which is why no such communication has occurred.

My role in the company is Solutions Architect and in my role there are a few things which happen. Firstly I build what business needs and wants in a way which makes sense for all involved. I'm also a customer and share my opinion about things which I don't agree with and point out shortfalls. Sometimes it helps, other times it doesn't; part real life right? Everyone has a boss.

I hope this is extremely clear, if there's anything I missed ... please let me know.

Regards,
Chris
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Chris Van Wie
Solution Architect
Vox Telecom Limited
 
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Ok firsly let's address this. My post count has nothing to do with anything, get off your high horse and lose the emotional attachment you seem to have with this ISP (looking at your posts from 2013 all the way to today I see you have a buff with CW/OW and Afrihost and seem to love Vox so much you show a geniune passion for defending them as if their interests were akin to yours, do you work for them?)

Cheers.

Because I found your statement to be hot-headed and knee-jerk reaction, I responded.
Obviously I was the one that for told the end of the world based off of one issue.

"Genuine passion for defending them"?

Exaggerate much?
 
hi for the past week my ping been all over the place
form 50-500+ on local servers
used to be 25stable all the time

anyone els have unstable lag/ping in online games?
 
anyone else finding the data usage on the portal incorrrect?
I entered my Vox account details to download a 1.6gb file at 08:10 and did some browsing while it was downloading and once it finished at 08:47am changed the account details to another ISP.
Vox shows during that time I have used 5.11GB time on a 10mbps line...how is that even possible?

Hi Chris, can you please investigate this
 
All very valid points. As a company, our marketing to our customers is done on our website. It is a central place to have information for easy reference. MyBroadband is a wonderful platform which enables us to interact closer with our customers, it's very easy for information and misinformation to fester unless you go through hundreds of forum pages to find something, whereas on our website, its a click and the information is outlined.

...snip...

Regards,
Chris
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Chris Van Wie
Solution Architect
Vox Telecom Limited



And this . ladies and gentleman, and bolt-on abusers - is why i think Vox stands a very good chance to be an AWESOME ISP.

Thank you Chris for a detailed answer and explanation.
 
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