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I wanted to d/load a torrent last night.

Plenty of seeds? Check
Plenty of peers? Check
D/load speed 350-400kb/s? Coolio

Not even 5 mins later... d/load speed 2-5kb/s ... No matter what I tried (reboot, find more peers, increase bandwidth allocation).

BF3 and LOTRO also lagging quite a bit. If this continues, I'll have to move my line and account for sure. :(
 
I have cancelled my subscription with Web Africa, but not from lack of speed or bad service. I thought the rolling windows would be fine, and not worried about over weekends. Had 13 gb queued on a Friday night, went out, came back on Saturday morning, went to bed, woke up at 11 and had a mail explaining why my speeds were slow, and saying if i continued, i would eventually get disconnected.

I was with Mweb for over a year, and downloaded much more through their network, and yet never once did i get any kind of abuse mail.

Then lets not even talk about the 'promises of 100% speed over weekends and off peak periods if you are 'deprioritised'. it certainly wasnt 100% speeds.
Also, their usage tracker was VERY inaccurate. I would often wake up in the morning and see that i had gone over the 12pm-6am download + time, and there would be a usage of 1.2gb from 6am-7am. It was already posted at 6:20am. How does the usage tracker know that i will download that amount of usage?

I thought there was a delay from upstream providers so how do they know my usage before the time is even up??? so i thought that they used a usage calculator that would estimate the usage and then they would correct it.
Alas, they didn't... so the fact that i only used 300mb between 6 and 7 in the morning would affect the rolling window because their calculator thing would estimate that i used 1.2gb instead of the actual 300-400mb i did use.

All of these problems haven't been sorted out in 4 odd months of them having uncapped is unacceptable in my eyes considering they had 2 years to get their system right! Let us not forget that Web Africa were the LAST ISP to provide uncapped, almost 2 years after Mweb launched their package and changed the internet landscape in the R of SA.

But people, Web Africa's Customer service and overall performance was NOT the reason I left. If you aren't a heavy downloader, and Gamer, then their service is excellent. As long as you dont break through the rolling windows, you will get decent service. I never had any issues if I was within the rolling windows.
 
At the moment 4mb uncapped account DOES not go more than 80kb/s Don't know why but the whole day its been unusable. My 1mb uncapped is even faster. disgrace
 
when you do cancel your Service through the control panel. Is there some sort of Email that one must get?
 
and if I have it correct if its cancelled this month I should be free by next month?
 
Entire Saterday I managed 4GB. So that is from Midnight Friday to Midnight Saterday I managed to used 4Gb only. Pfff
 
18:00 - 19:00 612 316 713 bytes 583.95 MB

impossible on a 1mb line, followed by a email "Slow ADSL for you? Here's why." from webafrica

so my evening is now ****ed thanks to their broken ass usage monitor. thanks webafrica.

In the mail they say
Please note that continued excessive usage of our service may result in service termination

If I abuse this crap 24/7 can I get out of having to wait till end of the month for my cancellation to take affect?
 
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18:00 - 19:00 612 316 713 bytes 583.95 MB

impossible on a 1mb line, followed by a email "Slow ADSL for you? Here's why." from webafrica

so my evening is now ****ed thanks to their broken ass usage monitor. thanks webafrica.

In the mail they say


If I abuse this crap 24/7 can I get out of having to wait till end of the month for my cancellation to take affect?

Erm, that was my cue to make the move.

After being repeatedly disconnected from downloading the new Edubuntu iso which resulted in having to restart the download again, which put me into their rolling windows story (there is a place where the Sun never shines and this belongs there) was throttled, followed by "Slow ADSL for you? Here's why" email.

"Please note that continued excessive usage of our service may result in service termination" - This after a total download of 11,5 GB for the month in the third week of the month!

I then fully read their terms and conditions and lesson learnt, decided to move on.

Currently testing MWEB trial account and can only say - Works as advertised!

So picture this, you are being choked, then you are told you will be dumped if you continue to abuse the line on an uncapped package, with your total downloads at 11.5 GB in the third week of the month :(

Now you know how they roll ;)

All of this due to them periodically disconnecting your connection which means restarting the same download!

So, off to MWEB I go on the 1 June 2012, hopefully it will be a more rewarding experience, just hate being choked.
 
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I honestly wouldn't touch these accounts until they got rid of their archaic, ridiculous rolling windows. On a 384 account, if you had to download a single file that's 500mb, you'd have to stop it once it reaches 300mb and then resume it once 6 hours has passed. That's pretty ridiculous. How many files do we download nowadays that are under 500mb?
 
I honestly wouldn't touch these accounts until they got rid of their archaic, ridiculous rolling windows. On a 384 account, if you had to download a single file that's 500mb, you'd have to stop it once it reaches 300mb and then resume it once 6 hours has passed. That's pretty ridiculous. How many files do we download nowadays that are under 500mb?

I'm actually fine with the rolling windows for their 4mb accounts - I don't need to download the internet. But I expect that when I'm not throttled to get full speeds on anything I do, surely that's the whole point..

But this weekend when I was getting 25kb/s I decided to test their capped accounts to see if the experience differed. So I purchased a 2GB Home and 2GB Home Pro account.

The Home account was the exact same - 25kb/s on youtube (this is expected as Uncapped and Home use the same shaping profile)

Then onto the Home Pro accounts, which were slightly better but seemed very erratic. Jumping from 25 - 100 - 200 - 25 etc.. Not exactly a superior experience..

PS: Jeff are you still out there man? Is everything actually looking 100% your side, everyone else happy? Does the complaining in this thread just baffle you and we're the 1%?
 
Hi all,

I'm still here, not going anywhere :)
Just going through the thread since Friday when we upgraded capacity, so things are getting there. Things have gotten better, and mostly things have been fairly quiet online - except here. So not 100% sure on how to trend something here.

What we can do here is post up some details on what exactly is slow and what the issue is, in a "formal" kind of way so we can identify problems directly online and relate it to our systems, network, support etc etc.

So, what you guys think?
My suggestion would be as follows:

  • Have you been de-prioritised?
  • What's slow? Segment it into categories. Everything, streaming, browsing, p2p etc etc
  • What line speed do you have?
  • Speed test URL

Anything else you guys would like to add or that I've missed? Would like to go about this in future, to push data through to our Networking guys without asking a million questions and your account details. Thoughts?
 
I honestly wouldn't touch these accounts until they got rid of their archaic, ridiculous rolling windows. On a 384 account, if you had to download a single file that's 500mb, you'd have to stop it once it reaches 300mb and then resume it once 6 hours has passed. That's pretty ridiculous. How many files do we download nowadays that are under 500mb?

I bought two games on steam and wanted to download them, 15gb download each. At least I didn't have rolling with my current SP.
 
Jeff, no offense, but everyone seems to be under the impression that your network simply cannot handle what is being thrown at it. People here really appreciate what you're trying to do, but there comes a point where you have to be frank about things, and I will.

I think you're bull****ting your customers. Every time someone reports an issue here, you jump to ask them whether they've mailed your tech support, then tell them to PM you. Then they do, but we never hear anything regarding the issue from you again until they come back to say it's not been fixed yet. It really comes across as if you're attempting to get your customers at the tech support so that you can keep the issues out of the public eye.

Worst of all, you often seem to blame third-parties for the issues, when it's pretty clear the issues are with you. Let's face it, people have been complaining about these issues for months, and they only encounter them on your accounts, not others. Even the OpenWeb guys who are on DSL-Heaven report the same issues your direct customers report. So when issues are this widespread, and only encountered on your network, who is to blame for the issues? Even better, when are you going to start doing something to address these issues. Aside from making empty promises, I mean?

It's not even just your uncapped accounts that have these issues, it's reported by people on all manner of accounts. And every time it's reported, you jump to ask whether it's been escalated to support yet. Newsflash! People have been complaining about your tech support being useless for more than a few months now. The only time tech support seems to do anything worthwhile for their customers is when someone has a hissy fit because support isn't doing anything and decide to take matters to the public sphere. And even after all this, WA still does not admit to having serious issues, even issues that stretch further than the dead-obvious capacity issues. Not only technical issues either, but serious service issues within the company.

Have you noticed how many customers you've been leaking lately? How bad your public image has become? That you are quite possibly one of the worst ISPs currently out there?

So tell me, when are you going to start admitting that you have major issues with your company, its network and its services?
When are you going to start doing something about those issues? And actual fixes, not just empty promises that seem to never actually do anything?
When are you going to start being open and honest with your customers again?

Are you ever again going to take service seriously? Does this ship need to sink entirely before it can start floating again?
 
Can you please pm your client code :erm:

Jeff, no offense, but everyone seems to be under the impression that your network simply cannot handle what is being thrown at it. People here really appreciate what you're trying to do, but there comes a point where you have to be frank about things, and I will.

I think you're bull****ting your customers. Every time someone reports an issue here, you jump to ask them whether they've mailed your tech support, then tell them to PM you. Then they do, but we never hear anything regarding the issue from you again until they come back to say it's not been fixed yet. It really comes across as if you're attempting to get your customers at the tech support so that you can keep the issues out of the public eye.

Worst of all, you often seem to blame third-parties for the issues, when it's pretty clear the issues are with you. Let's face it, people have been complaining about these issues for months, and they only encounter them on your accounts, not others. Even the OpenWeb guys who are on DSL-Heaven report the same issues your direct customers report. So when issues are this widespread, and only encountered on your network, who is to blame for the issues? Even better, when are you going to start doing something to address these issues. Aside from making empty promises, I mean?

It's not even just your uncapped accounts that have these issues, it's reported by people on all manner of accounts. And every time it's reported, you jump to ask whether it's been escalated to support yet. Newsflash! People have been complaining about your tech support being useless for more than a few months now. The only time tech support seems to do anything worthwhile for their customers is when someone has a hissy fit because support isn't doing anything and decide to take matters to the public sphere. And even after all this, WA still does not admit to having serious issues, even issues that stretch further than the dead-obvious capacity issues. Not only technical issues either, but serious service issues within the company.

Have you noticed how many customers you've been leaking lately? How bad your public image has become? That you are quite possibly one of the worst ISPs currently out there?

So tell me, when are you going to start admitting that you have major issues with your company, its network and its services?
When are you going to start doing something about those issues? And actual fixes, not just empty promises that seem to never actually do anything?
When are you going to start being open and honest with your customers again?

Are you ever again going to take service seriously? Does this ship need to sink entirely before it can start floating again?
 
Hi Graal,

Thanks for your post, honesty is always appreciated. Let's see if I can answer some of your questions, in the most frank, straight forward way possible.

Jeff, no offense, but everyone seems to be under the impression that your network simply cannot handle what is being thrown at it. People here really appreciate what you're trying to do, but there comes a point where you have to be frank about things, and I will.

I think you're bull****ting your customers. Every time someone reports an issue here, you jump to ask them whether they've mailed your tech support, then tell them to PM you. Then they do, but we never hear anything regarding the issue from you again until they come back to say it's not been fixed yet. It really comes across as if you're attempting to get your customers at the tech support so that you can keep the issues out of the public eye.

Fair shout here, and following up by us posting a resolution of what's happened and what we did is in the pipe-line. If you've been following this thread, you'll see that I finally have some more help, in the form of Justin. He's been doing a fantastic job online and we're in the process of getting him on board with MyBB. Should be within this week (probably later this week) where he'll start posting and helping out.

Simply put, I've personally been under loads of pressure sorting out all the issues. Posting online is only a small part of what I do. I also feedback comments, suggestions and other strategic options into the business which can take up a lot of time.

I ask whether tech support has been contacted purely to get a gauge of what's been done so far. Requesting a PM with details, that'll stay for now until we have updated our CRM processes internally which will allow for quicker escalations. In the mean time though, both Justin and I have started building a list of posters online linking all the relevant details to our internal systems.

Not BS'ing customers - that's the last thing that we're here to do. Issues are here yes, and it was mentioned in the very beginning of WA launching uncapped that the up-take of the accounts was under-mined on our side. What I can promise you, is that constantly, every day we're making massive efforts on this side to improve this - using last week as an example where we upgrading our network capacity. This is an on-going effort with the more customers that join our network.

Worst of all, you often seem to blame third-parties for the issues, when it's pretty clear the issues are with you. Let's face it, people have been complaining about these issues for months, and they only encounter them on your accounts, not others. Even the OpenWeb guys who are on DSL-Heaven report the same issues your direct customers report. So when issues are this widespread, and only encountered on your network, who is to blame for the issues? Even better, when are you going to start doing something to address these issues. Aside from making empty promises, I mean?

Entirely depends on the issue. Sometimes there are 3rd parties who have issues. Running an IPC network in SA doesn't consist of one of two companies or upstream providers but rather a large amount of upstream providers and companies, allowing a bit more to go wrong. When we are wrong though, we're the first to admit it - that includes publically. We're huge on transparency, and simply by posting here proves exactly that.

It's not even just your uncapped accounts that have these issues, it's reported by people on all manner of accounts. And every time it's reported, you jump to ask whether it's been escalated to support yet. Newsflash! People have been complaining about your tech support being useless for more than a few months now. The only time tech support seems to do anything worthwhile for their customers is when someone has a hissy fit because support isn't doing anything and decide to take matters to the public sphere. And even after all this, WA still does not admit to having serious issues, even issues that stretch further than the dead-obvious capacity issues. Not only technical issues either, but serious service issues within the company.

Have you noticed how many customers you've been leaking lately? How bad your public image has become? That you are quite possibly one of the worst ISPs currently out there?

In some cases our Support has failed us yes. In others, not the case. There are plenty of praise online, including these forums, of our Support staff - I personally think they're doing a fantastic job. Again, a constant effort is being made at hiring more and more staff to ensure the best possible support.

So tell me, when are you going to start admitting that you have major issues with your company, its network and its services?
When are you going to start doing something about those issues? And actual fixes, not just empty promises that seem to never actually do anything?
When are you going to start being open and honest with your customers again?

Are you ever again going to take service seriously? Does this ship need to sink entirely before it can start floating again?

I don't think we have massive issues. Yes, our Uncapped accounts can be tweaked but look at the bigger picture too. Yes, we receive complaints around these accounts however on the other hand we also get positive feedback about the accounts. Consider the posts here, granted are mostly negative in this thread specifically, but think about the other customers who aren't posting here.

Now I'm not saying that only the MyBB guys are the ones who are having issues - but simply looking at the numbers, the amount of people complaining vs. the customers who are satisfied with the accounts doesn't paint a grim picture. If it did, or ever does - we do something about it.
 
https://my.elitehost.co.za/speedtest/

Http works perfectly, https doesn't.

I have bought this to the attention of your tech support and nothing has been done regarding this. This only seems to be a problem during office hours, which to me indicates I'm being killed by your shaping methods.

Unfortunately as my job entails working on that site the whole day, my Redafrica account has been unusable for the last 5+ weeks. I have the account with the intention of using it during the day...I cannot...I cancelled. Unfortunately having to endure another month of this account due to the cancellation policy.

0.18Mbps down...


Forgot to mention: I have a 4meg line...not 384k.
 
Anything else you guys would like to add or that I've missed? Would like to go about this in future, to push data through to our Networking guys without asking a million questions and your account details. Thoughts?

Please for the love of god fix your usage tracker. build in a very simple check that if you get more than 380mb a hour on a 1mb line that it just takes the number it gets and divide it by 2. the amount of times I get 700mb+ in 1 hour on a 1mb line is insane!
 
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