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waylander

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Yeah cloudflare is limiting single TCP connections to 100Mbps. When they had an outage and traffic was routing to London or Amsterdam the same file/address served by those CDN were not limiting traffic at all but obviously the latency and transit starts playing a role on 200Mbps+ connections.
Cloudflare free tier uses DUR datacentre and traffic goes via the standard transit. Pro and Business tier use JNB datacentre and use the premium transit. Compare http://mybroadband.co.za/cdn-cgi/trace to https://platinumwealth.co.za/cdn-cgi/trace

idk why tho

This also applies to Australia and some other fringe regions, due to costs.
 

waylander

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dumbest thing is, even when using Argo (which is pay-per-use by the GB) you're still routed via DUR
 

waylander

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worst rn is probably Cape Town, they route to North Africa and back because Durban would go via Joburg which defeats the point idk what the **** cloudflare does anymore
 

waylander

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like wtf

1 core.as-01-xe.cp1.za.ws.net.za 0% 2 0.1ms 0.1 0.1 0.1
2 core.cr-01.cp1.za.ws.net.za 0% 2 0.1ms 0.1 0.1 0.1
3 core.pe-xe-ip01.cp1.za.ws.net.za 0% 2 0.1ms 0.2 0.1 0.2
4 core.pe-xe-ip01.jb1.za.ws.net.za 0% 2 18.1ms 18.2 18.1 18.2
5 v101.core2.bcn1.he.net 0% 2 18.6ms 18.6 18.5 18.6
6 e0-24.core1.dur1.he.net 0% 2 26.6ms 26.6 26.5 26.6
7 10ge0-48.core1.mba1.he.net 0% 2 73ms 73 73 73
8 10ge14-6.core1.jib1.he.net 0% 1 151.5ms 151.5 151.5 151.5
9 cloudflare.v4.peers.djix.dj 0% 1 230ms 230 230 230
10 104.27.173.85 0% 1 230.1ms 230.1 230.1 230.1

Djibouti, on the Horn of Africa, is a mostly French- and Arabic-speaking country of dry shrublands, volcanic formations and Gulf of Aden beaches. It's home to one of the saltiest bodies of water in the world, the low-lying Lake Assal, in the Danakil Desert. The nomadic Afar people have settlements along Lake Abbe, a body of saltwater featuring chimneylike mineral formations.
 

cavedog

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Cloudflare free tier uses DUR datacentre and traffic goes via the standard transit. Pro and Business tier use JNB datacentre and use the premium transit. Compare http://mybroadband.co.za/cdn-cgi/trace to https://platinumwealth.co.za/cdn-cgi/trace

idk why tho

This also applies to Australia and some other fringe regions, due to costs.
Yes I saw that they like DUR a lot. So being on Openserve I can switch ISPs but does not matter always routed to DUR or to CPT on occasion. I almost never get served by JHB.

Their dns is served from JHB for me.

It's ver interesting because a lot of traffic is moving around the country when it really doesn't need too.
 

PBCool

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Yes I saw that they like DUR a lot. So being on Openserve I can switch ISPs but does not matter always routed to DUR or to CPT on occasion. I almost never get served by JHB.

Their dns is served from JHB for me.

It's ver interesting because a lot of traffic is moving around the country when it really doesn't need too.
Are they not an HE customer possibly?
 

waylander

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@cavedog their own services (Warp, DNS, etc) run through premium regions. It wont matter what ISP you use, they route based on what tier the website you're accessing is on.
 

waylander

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MyBroadband, for example, runs through the premium region because they're on Business tier. Same with Afrihost.com - but most others are on free tier and will get served from the less used regions.
 

cavedog

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Well HE peers locally and their peering policy is a bit skewed which we see providers follow blindly which can then prefer the HE paths.
Well with Supersonic I also get served DUR cloudflare like @waylander explained not all cloudflare goes to DUR though.

I know Supersonic does not use HE at all as far as I know.
 

waylander

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Well HE peers locally and their peering policy is a bit skewed which we see providers follow blindly which can then prefer the HE paths.
Might be true but isn't the reason Cloudflare uses DUR for the free users. Easy to see when you compare path taken by a paid user to a free user as mentioned.
 

waylander

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im pissed that paying $0.1/GB won't let me use JHB. utter nonsense on Cloudflare's part
 

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Well with Supersonic I also get served DUR cloudflare like @waylander explained not all cloudflare goes to DUR though.

I know Supersonic does not use HE at all as far as I know.
Correct but they peer with them locally, and if they followed the peering document as HE provides and CloudFlare is an HE customer it will prefer the HE peer.
 

cavedog

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Correct but they peer with them locally, and if they followed the peering document as HE provides and CloudFlare is an HE customer it will prefer the HE peer.
Ahh makes sense. Cloudflare is sending traffic all over South Africa. Durban gets routed to JHB and back to DUR. JHB gets routed to DUR mostly but sometimes CPT too. I basically NEVER see JHB on cloudflare except for their DNS like @waylander said.

Example. badboxx.ml is my domain on Cloudflare dns free. I'm in Centurion. Cybersmart is the only ISP that say screw this we send the traffic to EU. All the others go to DUR.

Code:
[SUPERSONIC]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  3    10 ms     4 ms     4 ms  ipc-recieve-jh-3a.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.178.29]
  4     5 ms    14 ms     4 ms  41.181.178.30
  5    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  rb-dca-2.za--rb-cr-1.mtnns.net [196.44.31.122]
  6    16 ms    15 ms    15 ms  196.44.29.204
  7    13 ms    15 ms    14 ms  196.44.29.13
  8    13 ms    14 ms    13 ms  196.44.5.135
  9    14 ms    13 ms    41 ms  196-10-141-198.ixp.durban [196.10.141.198]
10    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.

[AXXESS]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     *        5 ms     4 ms  jhb-up3.ip.adsl.co.za [169.1.5.29]
  3     6 ms     5 ms     6 ms  jhb-in2.ip.adsl.co.za [169.1.5.30]
  4     5 ms     4 ms     4 ms  jhb-net1.ip.adsl.co.za [169.1.5.52]
  5    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  102.67.176.13
  6    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  196-10-141-198.ixp.durban [196.10.141.198]
  7    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.

[CYBERSMART]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     5 ms     4 ms     4 ms  196.6.121.197
  3     5 ms     4 ms     4 ms  196.6.121.198
  4     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  105.233.31.29
  5   189 ms   189 ms   190 ms  105.233.31.9
  6   190 ms   190 ms   190 ms  te0-2-1-11.rcr51.b061617-0.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.14.250.193]
  7   190 ms   191 ms   194 ms  be3478.ccr21.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.59.249]
  8   190 ms   190 ms   190 ms  be2866.rcr21.b015533-1.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.56.238]
  9   205 ms   196 ms   190 ms  cloudflare.demarc.cogentco.com [149.14.250.242]
10   190 ms   189 ms   189 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.


[VOX]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  41.193.164.85
  3     5 ms     5 ms     5 ms  41.193.164.86
  4     7 ms     4 ms     4 ms  41.193.164.92
  5     5 ms     5 ms     5 ms  41.193.119.41
  6    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  41.193.72.2
  7    15 ms    15 ms    14 ms  41.193.72.97
  8    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  196-10-141-198.ixp.durban [196.10.141.198]
  9    14 ms    14 ms    14 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.

[WEBAFRICA]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  102-65-64-25.ftth.web.africa [102.65.64.25]
  3     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  102-65-64-10.ftth.web.africa [102.65.64.10]
  4     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  102.67.177.15
  5     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  100.67.181.94
  6     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  terjhb-igw2-et51/1-100.echosp.link [102.67.177.7]
  7    13 ms    13 ms    12 ms  102.67.176.29
  8    28 ms    13 ms    13 ms  196-10-141-198.ixp.durban [196.10.141.198]
  9    11 ms    12 ms    12 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.
 
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wingnut771

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Ahh makes sense. Cloudflare is sending traffic all over South Africa. Durban gets routed to JHB and back to DUR. JHB gets routed to DUR mostly but sometimes CPT too. I basically NEVER see JHB on cloudflare except for their DNS like @waylander said.

Example. badboxx.ml is my domain on Cloudflare dns free. I'm in Centurion. Cybersmart is the only ISP that say screw this we send the traffic to EU. All the others go to DUR.

Code:
[SUPERSONIC]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  3    10 ms     4 ms     4 ms  ipc-recieve-jh-3a.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.178.29]
  4     5 ms    14 ms     4 ms  41.181.178.30
  5    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  rb-dca-2.za--rb-cr-1.mtnns.net [196.44.31.122]
  6    16 ms    15 ms    15 ms  196.44.29.204
  7    13 ms    15 ms    14 ms  196.44.29.13
  8    13 ms    14 ms    13 ms  196.44.5.135
  9    14 ms    13 ms    41 ms  196-10-141-198.ixp.durban [196.10.141.198]
10    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.

[AXXESS]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     *        5 ms     4 ms  jhb-up3.ip.adsl.co.za [169.1.5.29]
  3     6 ms     5 ms     6 ms  jhb-in2.ip.adsl.co.za [169.1.5.30]
  4     5 ms     4 ms     4 ms  jhb-net1.ip.adsl.co.za [169.1.5.52]
  5    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  102.67.176.13
  6    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  196-10-141-198.ixp.durban [196.10.141.198]
  7    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.

[CYBERSMART]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     5 ms     4 ms     4 ms  196.6.121.197
  3     5 ms     4 ms     4 ms  196.6.121.198
  4     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  105.233.31.29
  5   189 ms   189 ms   190 ms  105.233.31.9
  6   190 ms   190 ms   190 ms  te0-2-1-11.rcr51.b061617-0.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.14.250.193]
  7   190 ms   191 ms   194 ms  be3478.ccr21.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.59.249]
  8   190 ms   190 ms   190 ms  be2866.rcr21.b015533-1.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.56.238]
  9   205 ms   196 ms   190 ms  cloudflare.demarc.cogentco.com [149.14.250.242]
10   190 ms   189 ms   189 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.


[VOX]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  41.193.164.85
  3     5 ms     5 ms     5 ms  41.193.164.86
  4     7 ms     4 ms     4 ms  41.193.164.92
  5     5 ms     5 ms     5 ms  41.193.119.41
  6    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  41.193.72.2
  7    15 ms    15 ms    14 ms  41.193.72.97
  8    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  196-10-141-198.ixp.durban [196.10.141.198]
  9    14 ms    14 ms    14 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.

[WEBAFRICA]
Tracing route to badboxx.ml [104.27.154.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  102-65-64-25.ftth.web.africa [102.65.64.25]
  3     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  102-65-64-10.ftth.web.africa [102.65.64.10]
  4     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  102.67.177.15
  5     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  100.67.181.94
  6     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  terjhb-igw2-et51/1-100.echosp.link [102.67.177.7]
  7    13 ms    13 ms    12 ms  102.67.176.29
  8    28 ms    13 ms    13 ms  196-10-141-198.ixp.durban [196.10.141.198]
  9    11 ms    12 ms    12 ms  104.27.154.42

Trace complete.
no ah account?
 

cavedog

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i rest my case, isp's hold all the cards.
i've got a free account still from my adsl days, i'll pm you the deets.
They banned me because 1 debit failed after I was unable to update my details due to an old cellphone number linked to my account so could not verify the OTP. So they want colour photo of me hold my ID. Bank statements with all the amounts visible and other debits. Scanned copies of my bank cards.

I refused so they blocked my ID number so can't signup again with them :laugh:
 

Xzib1t

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Wait, wait, wait...

Let's go off topic here for a second - why are are you guys on the free tier served out of Durban, yet my all my domains on Cloudflare go to London? (also on the free tier)
 
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