Why can't the "whites" do it too.

DigitalSoldier

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Trust me when I say this..... The white people of this nation has been ready for the country to become one since 1990......the fact however is that the black people of this country are clinging to an idealistic hope of controlling every aspect of the country, which is unfair seeing that it's a "Rainbow Nation".

I would mostly blame the government for that and I believe a minority of black people. If you read some of the posts on this forum by black people(except Angelo :D ) and also talk with black people in general everyone just wants to move on.
 

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a lot of whites, particularly English-speaking whites, never supported Apartheid, and yet they're still expected to suffer for the actions of people they never supported in the first place.

If the english speaking population never supported apartheid why did the national party win landslide victories? And if they did not support apartheid why were they the first people to jump ship in their droves back to england when apartheid fell?
 

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I get what you're saying times are tough and will be for some time to come but I'm being optimistic for a future which is equitable to all races. That's the future I'm preparing my kids for.

What the country needs are more jobs - unemployment still stands at 25% afaik. Eradicating that would go along way towards getting things right.

You say times are tough,Personally its been tough for the past couple years since the "big change":sick: and will be tough for next couple million years:) (ironic)

Jobs you say..."we need more jobs" please enlighting me on how this country will increase that? and will it ever increase? or are "the whites" holding on to a idealistic dream that things will improve.

as for the topic:Why cant whites do it? becos we not allowed to altough this is our country aswell
 
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If the english speaking population never supported apartheid why did the national party win landslide victories? And if they did not support apartheid why were they the first people to jump ship in their droves back to england when apartheid fell?

They could not vote, well that is the case of people who came over from England in the 70's and 80's at least. Unless they gave up their English citizenship they where not allowed to vote.

The Nats knew they didn't have the same mentality.
 

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While I agree with the example you mention the reality goes even further, a lot of whites, particularly English-speaking whites, never supported Apartheid, and yet they're still expected to suffer for the actions of people they never supported in the first place.

if you see someone doing wrong, and do nothing about it, you are as guilty of that wrong as though you did it yourself
 

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So by your definition, if you see someone being hijacked by 7 armed men and do nothing because you know that in practical terms you won't be able to help them and will quite possibly make the situation worse you're as guilty as the hijackers?

A lot of people did try to help and improve the situation in small ways.
 

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So by your definition, if you see someone being hijacked by 7 armed men and do nothing because you know that in practical terms you won't be able to help them and will quite possibly make the situation worse you're as guilty as the hijackers?

A lot of people did try to help and improve the situation in small ways.

same with afrikaans speaking people that tried to help like Anton Rupert and other not famous people but then again. Dont forget the role the english played in "creating" apartheid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid

Although the creation of apartheid is usually attributed to the Afrikaner-dominated government of 1948-1994, it is partially a legacy of British colonialism which introduced a system of pass laws in the Cape Colony during the 19th century. This resulted in regulating the movement of blacks from the tribal regions to the areas occupied by whites and coloureds, and which were ruled by the British. Pass laws not only restricted the movement of blacks into these areas but also prohibited their movement from one district to another without a signed pass. Blacks were not allowed onto streets of towns in the Cape Colony and Natal after dark and they had to carry a pass at all times.
 
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Edit: Also, much of apartheid came from the British (I just read this today)... http://www.globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=833&cid=8&sid=56

You get called a racist/bigot/redneck because you spout rubbish like this.

1. USA is 70% white
2. Hispanic 12%
3. Black 12%

So whites will be the majority in the US for a loooong time to come.

http://www.usapopulationmap.com/index.html

Yeah you shouldn’t really talk about someone’s country unless you actually know your stuff, which you don’t. The "70% white" is not actually the truth; US Government puts Arabs, North Africans, Asian-Indians and Mexicans all as white. The actually percentage is around ~60%.

Secondly it's not your damn country, you swiped it from the native Indians... You also imported all these black people into your country to use as slaves...

Your racist spouting is easily spotted in a country like SA where we have lived through and currently still live through blatant racism. Now why don't you take these types of opinions to a white supremecy site instead of whining about being called a racist on this one?

It is my damn country you worthless twit, Indians were whipped out through disease and war way before the huge European immigration into this country (around 1880 – 1920 is when most of the European population showed up). I imported slaves? What are you retarded? 1% of the Southern US population owned slaves, even freed black men owned slaves you moron. The people who actually brought slaves here were ship owners (a huge % of them being Jewish but guess who sold slaves to them? Yeah I wonder…).

Oh man, by your logic Australia doesn’t belong to Australians, hell Europe doesn’t belong to Europeans, belongs to Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals.
 
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What the country needs are more jobs - unemployment still stands at 25% afaik. Eradicating that would go along way towards getting things right.

What the country REALLY needs are people who will stop complaining and pointing fingers and get off their arses and create their own jobs.

Creating more jobs by expanding existing companies only does one thing - it transfers even more power and wealth to the already wealthy people. :(

If the white minority are the primary people starting companies and employing people then the black people and ANC are going to be harping about the inequality for the next 200 years because their policies will never create enough jobs by trying to replace a handful of white personell.

It's time the African people decide to do something about their own lot in life.
If I can start a business then anyone can - I didn't qualify for a loan from the banks and I only have a matric certificate.

Poverty and unemployment aren't the cause of the problems - they are just the symptoms of laziness and a lack of vision and motivation.
Been there and done that - it was only when I decided to do something about my lot in life that things started improving for me.
 

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Yeah you shouldn’t really talk about someone’s country unless you actually know your stuff, which you don’t. The "70% white" is not actually the truth; US Government puts Arabs, North Africans, Asian-Indians and Mexicans all as white. The actually percentage is around ~60%.

/me waits for bwana to confirm :D
 

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Poverty and unemployment aren't the cause of the problems - they are just the symptoms of laziness and a lack of vision and motivation.

I'm not sure I agree about laziness, but you're right on the money with the other reasons. They play a big role in people's reluctance to go it alone. I think you should also add a big 'set of stones' to that list.
 

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Yeah. I see a large amount of "black" people driving around in cars I will never be able to afford, they must be SOOOO poor...
Easy to afford those cars if you don't pay for housing or municipal services...

Now why would I want to waste mine or my families time toi-toi'ing when I should be out there earning a living. Discrimination or not, I am doing alright - you have to get your priorities in order and get focussed. Put on blinkers if it helps, but don't let the bad attitudes out there dictate your lot in life. Not to say that everyone has an easy time, but if I don't look after my family and my attitude, I don't believe there are too many others who will... and I believe there is enough work out there for those willing to work... just do the right thing and don't let the attitude of the day ruin yours.
Well said, Onepost! I totally agree with you.
If youy're really persistent in finding employment, it is there. If you get a lot of rejections from potential employers, try this one... :D
Dear Sir / Madam

RE: ADVERTISED POSITION: YOUR LETTER OF REJECTION

Thank you for your letter of 20th July. After careful consideration I regret to inform you that I am unable to accept your refusal to offer me employment with your company. This year I have been particularly fortunate in receiving an unusually large number of rejection letters.
With such a varied and promising field of candidates it is impossible for me to accept all refusals. Despite your company's outstanding qualifications and previous experience in rejecting applicants, I find that your rejection does not meet my needs at this time. Therefore I will start work with your company on Monday 22nd October at 8.00 am.
I look forward to seeing you then. Don't call me I'll call you.

Yours,
Perseverance Mafosta

As an additional exercise compare unemployment by race.

We still have a very long way to go before we approach employment equality.
Just a case that some people really want to work/study while the lower part of the equation is not very interested in providing for themselves...:rolleyes:
 

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'Basic Conditions of Employment Act' 1997 (Act 75 of 1997);
'black people' is a generic term which means Africans, Coloureds and Indians.

I agree. AA sucks big time.
 

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@ JontyB

I find your "Jewish" story interesting. I must say I was always under the false impression that Jew and Afrikaner got along. I’m guessing it’s having grown up with the family history I have with my grandfather who when fighting in WW2 was captured by the Germans and spent 3 years in a POW camp having to watch Jewish people being sent to their death! (I guess xtermin8or would ask why my grandfather did nothing about it!)
Well my grandfather has always had respect for Jewish people and I won’t forget sitting with him on the beach at J Bay (my grandfather 80 years old, lives away from the black forest) and there were some young guys with swastika tattoo’s and my grandfather told me how he cant believe how stupid and forgetful young people can be about the suffering of others.

People however must remember that one of the main reasons for the kinship between Afrikaner (and I mean regular folk, not AWB horse riding fools) and German, stems not only from the close connection of our races and language but also form the fact that when the British were killing men, woman and children in concentration camps during the Boer war, the Germans were the only nation offering help to the Boers. (in fact my grandfather was disowned for going to war against the Germans as his father had fought the British a generation before)

As a side bar I understand the old apartheid government’s security agency BOSS and the Israeli security agency MOSSAD worked hand in hand. As I have read however MOSSAD was more the brains and BOSS more the brawn (MOSSAD even considered the BOSS “methods” to gruesome, imagine that)! This arrangement stems from the South Africans apparently stealing nuclear technology from the Israeli’s, so they decided to rather work together in the future, a marriage on convenience as such! What a tangled web we weave…

(Yes; on my side bar please correct me if I’m wrong)
 
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How exactly do Americans think Middle-East and North Africans are white?

I would also believe that the real white population is lower than 70% in America, especially as there are also LOTS of Hispanics that are illegal immigrants and arnt counted, also there have been millions more coming into the country since the last census im sure.
 

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Xarog decides to get stuck in and say something that will probably earn him alot of flak...

Mbeki has recently complained about the braindrain in which educated South Africans are going overseas, especially to Europe and the UK to find jobs there, and that Europe should stop poaching jobs from SA waters. Wryly, a UK govt. official replied that South Africans might be more inclined to stay if there was a change in the government sanctioned employment policies within South Africa.

I think it's safe to say that most of those going overseas for such jobs are white people. I think this is something that the ANC missed. Every time it complains about the fact that there is a shortage of jobs, does it take into account that many of those who are skilled in those areas have left or are leaving the country because it's easier for them to find jobs overseas?

I think many people under the thumb of Apartheid blurred the lines between demanding equal rights, and demanding a better quality of life. Without equal rights one cannot have a high quality of life, but even with those rights, you have to work in order to get to a position where you can earn enough money to buy some of the finer things in life. This is not supposed to be a grant or a hand-me-out. The Apartheid era did reserve jobs for white people, but if you didn't do your job, you were out on your arse, boy. This isn't the case anymore. People with BEE jobs aren't held to the same standards that are applied to non-BEE jobs and this is a big mistake.

A few years ago a member of the ANC govt. admitted that it was embarrasing that whenever they needed to get something done quickly, they had to turn to white people to do it. More recently, another minister has said that he likes his whiteys working for him.

The bottom line is that you don't effect a reformation in the blink of an eye, and you certainly don't do it by legislating how many people hold a job. I think it would have been a far better idea to leave the white people in their current positions while doing everything you can to educate everyone who was previously disadvantaged to the point that they could compete on a level playing field for whatever job they wanted (this includes extensive apprenticeships, and perhaps even giving experienced whites totally new jobs as teachers). BEE costs the country money, which costs the government taxes. It robs people employed under it of their pride, because they got the jobs because of their skin colour rather than their skills or suitability for the job. Those taxes could otherwise be used to give everyone a quality education.

In a recent real-world example, our telephones went down when someone stole some cables. We have a normal line as well as an adsl line. Those are two different departments when it comes to faults, and you have to log a fault with the adsl dept. if you have adsl enabled on the line, even if the problem is something like a cable being stolen. We learned from one of the techs that the adsl fault section is reserved for AA positions. The old experienced white techs are all working with faults on normal lines, meanwhile the less experienced guys are trying to sort out the adsl fault. Anyone with 2 braincells realises that the adsl faults are more complex and harder to resolve than faults that occur on normal lines. So why have inexperienced people do jobs that are over their head?* Furthermore, why seperate the experienced and inexperienced into two different departments, where those with experience can't teach those without?

I'm not really that worried about AA. Sure, it's stupid, but despite the fact that I have white skin, I know if I work hard I'll find a job that allows me to support myself and one day support a family. I don't think AA will survive in the long term, it's too costly and it achieves too little.

*They fixed the cable a week ago. For some stupid reason, the people putitng the cable up didn't reconnect all the lines properly. We phoned in a fault report for both lines *again*. The normal line was fixed within 24 hours, while we're still waiting for the adsl line to get fixed, despite the fact that the records show that someone did infact come out to look at the adsl line.
 

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if you simply dissect the term:

BEE - Black Economic Empowerment

you have to either be black or a fool to not believe it is racist.

I just know i will always have Europe to fall back to. Africa will have nothing to fall back to and it is pity that they will squalor in their **** and complain for the rest of time.
 
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