Zuma gunning for the constitution

Roelie said:
You're still missing the point - you can have the best constitution in the world, if somebody decides to take power by force a constitution is meaningless. I suggest you find a copy of the move Last King of Scotland to see how the masses will follow someone that gives them the right message and they will plunder and murder and nothing will stop them, as in the case of Ethiopia and Rwanda. And if you think the wold will not allow that to happen you are wrong, because by the time anybody realizes what is going on it will be too late to stop it.

I happen to be an optimist and believe it won't happen to us, but I'm also old enough to realize the risks of living in Africa.
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SA is very, very unlikely to go the route of the rest of Africa as mentioned by some earlier posters as well.

Why? A few reasons:

The government is upholding the rule of law.

We have an active civil society.

We have freedom of the media.

The economy is reasonably healthy.

We have a growing black middle class.

We do not have a history of military interventions in politics.

Of the developing world and specifically in Africa, we currently have the most sophisticated infrastructure - rail, airports, financial services, communication systems, media.

Etc etc.

South Africa is so much more than Captain Nkandla and his cronies!
 
Great post Blu. One thing I am finding so interesting at this point of the country's history. The repercussions of Zuma and the ANCs recent trip ups (Nklandla, e-Toll and now possibly a Matricgate scandal if the DA's audit gets the go ahead) will hopefully steer more votes towards other parties. I really hope the DA manage to get a bigger vote this year as opposed to the EFF.
 
blunomore said:
SA is very, very unlikely to go the route of the rest of Africa as mentioned by some earlier posters as well.

Why? A few reasons:

The government is upholding the rule of law.

We have an active civil society.

We have freedom of the media.

The economy is reasonably healthy.

We have a growing black middle class.

We do not have a history of military interventions in politics.

Of the developing world and specifically in Africa, we currently have the most sophisticated infrastructure - rail, airports, financial services, communication systems, media.

Etc etc.

South Africa is so much more than Captain Nkandla and his cronies!
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As I said in an earlier post, I am an optimist by nature but I am not as positive now as before Zuma became President. I just see too many alarm signals, and all off your points in your last post are fragile things that can be destroyed in a heartbeat, but I'm still here so it means I still have hope.
 
Fudzy said:
Great post Blu. One thing I am finding so interesting at this point of the country's history. The repercussions of Zuma and the ANCs recent trip ups (Nklandla, e-Toll and now possibly a Matricgate scandal if the DA's audit gets the go ahead) will hopefully steer more votes towards other parties. I really hope the DA manage to get a bigger vote this year as opposed to the EFF.
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That's a thing now?
 
blunomore said:
SA is very, very unlikely to go the route of the rest of Africa as mentioned by some earlier posters as well.

Why? A few reasons:

The government is upholding the rule of law.
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When it suits them. Case in point, Nkandla.

blunomore said:
The economy is reasonably healthy.
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With 25% officially unemployed, and closer to 40% unofficially, there is no way in hell you can claim our economy is healthy. Add to that the fact that the Rand was the worst-performing currency last year...

blunomore said:
Of the developing world and specifically in Africa, we currently have the most sophisticated infrastructure - rail, airports, financial services, communication systems, media.
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What exactly does that have to do with democracy and upholding the rule of law?

Also you have failed to answer the question I posed in a previous post.
 
I found this interesting quote today:

"Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right."
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Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:459, Papers 15:396

Also, SA has had 5 constitutions in a little over 100 years, which seems to fit with this thinking. Thoughts?
 
Generational gaps take a bit longer these days, but I agree with the sentiment. However, our constitution - whilst it needs some adjustment - doesn't need the complete rewriting that something like the US Constitution does and has needed for centuries.
 
blunomore said:
SA is very, very unlikely to go the route of the rest of Africa as mentioned by some earlier posters as well.

Why? A few reasons:

The government is upholding the rule of law.

We have an active civil society.

We have freedom of the media.

The economy is reasonably healthy.

We have a growing black middle class.

We do not have a history of military interventions in politics.

Of the developing world and specifically in Africa, we currently have the most sophisticated infrastructure - rail, airports, financial services, communication systems, media.

Etc etc.

South Africa is so much more than Captain Nkandla and his cronies!
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We have a public protector to investigate government corruption too!
The Public Protector may investigate, on the basis of a complaint or on its own initiative, any level of government. This includes national, provincial and local government, any public office bearer, any parastatal and any statutory council.

As far as I know, no other country has this?
 
This is what I love about fear mongers. All I can say is unless you hold duel citizenship with say now....the UK...YOU'RE FSCKED. I'll let that sink in to all the fear mongers. Unless you're planning on moving to Namibia and starting again.
 
blunomore said:
SA is very, very unlikely to go the route of the rest of Africa as mentioned by some earlier posters as well.

Why? A few reasons:

The government is upholding the rule of law.

We have an active civil society.

We have freedom of the media.

The economy is reasonably healthy.

We have a growing black middle class.

We do not have a history of military interventions in politics.

Of the developing world and specifically in Africa, we currently have the most sophisticated infrastructure - rail, airports, financial services, communication systems, media.

Etc etc.

South Africa is so much more than Captain Nkandla and his cronies!
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Lol is that really what you believe???
I dont think you are right on a number of points.
We had much the same during Apartheid and look what heppened
 
blunomore said:
SA is very, very unlikely to go the route of the rest of Africa as mentioned by some earlier posters as well.

Why? A few reasons:

The government is upholding the rule of law.

We have an active civil society.

We have freedom of the media.

The economy is reasonably healthy.

We have a growing black middle class.

We do not have a history of military interventions in politics.

Of the developing world and specifically in Africa, we currently have the most sophisticated infrastructure - rail, airports, financial services, communication systems, media.

Etc etc.

South Africa is so much more than Captain Nkandla and his cronies!
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Strange! I saw all these point in other African countries before they had their own dictators as well....
 
Fudzy said:
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Correct me if I am wrong but in those day:


The government is upholding the rule of law.

We have an active civil society.

The economy is reasonably healthy.

We do not have a history of military interventions in politics. - The Army was fighting a war

Oh and our wonderful infrastructure???? Please man up north they have cheaper and better communication.
And now we have to pay ****ing tolls to feed the corruption machine
 
marine1 said:
Correct me if I am wrong but in those day:


The government is upholding the rule of law.

We have an active civil society.

The economy is reasonably healthy.

We do not have a history of military interventions in politics. - The Army was fighting a war

Oh and our wonderful infrastructure???? Please man up north they have cheaper and better communication.
And now we have to pay ****ing tolls to feed the corruption machine
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My god and people think blu is naive
 
joelus said:
We have a public protector to investigate government corruption too!
The Public Protector may investigate, on the basis of a complaint or on its own initiative, any level of government. This includes national, provincial and local government, any public office bearer, any parastatal and any statutory council.

As far as I know, no other country has this?
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So sir Joelus, where or what is/was the public protector's role and achievements in the Nkandla report and many other criminal and corruption charges before that? What happened?

I always believed that been a brainwashed communist fool is one thing but being stupid with blinkers on is completely another thing all together!
 
marine1 said:
Are you bloody joking? It was the law yes or no?
Were people realitvely safe? Yes they were without doubt.

You can deny it all you want, just because we were against the racial part is one thing, point is people were safe and crime was low.
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If you were white, maybe. Townships weren't safe, at all.

And our economy wasn't really healthy. It was starved and the country was bankrupt.
 
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