Human cloning now possible?

[phenom]

Scientists make cloned embryos from skin cells (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/01/17/cloned.embryos.ap/index.html?eref=edition_technology)
Highflyer GP's post - Stemagen First to Create Cloned Human Embryos From Adult Cells (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1456626)

if it is now possible to clone an human embryo from a dandruff, is it not possible right NOW for a man to fertilize HIS own embryo, implant it into a host, or even an future possible out of body, lab womb, and thus clone himself?

[Pr⊕phet]

yay, end of the world is nigh all we now need is cool implants and modifications to go with the cloning :)

[nauseous_monkey]

I would love to see what a cloned human looks like... if they have the same mental functions ect.

[Reptilian]

cool!
i want a to be cloned, then i want my younger clone to be harvested, without an conscience, maybe electrodes connected to where the original nerves were cut when his brain was cut out, to keep his heart beating, etc or maybe the above can be skipped if an clone can be cloned and grown in a machine to be a certain age.

, then when im old, say 80, i want my brain transfered and my into my younger clones spine, and thus every time i get old i repeat this process and thus i am forever young and immortal.

[Pr⊕phet]

you can clone britney spears or who ever you like into a twin set ! 3-some ftw teeheee

....going to give the paparazzi a whole new meaning

[phenom]

resalect, Anna nicole, re-clone her, theirs add her to my wife collection! for my second i'll take joli,

[Pr⊕phet]

lol, yes you can even have younger versions of old and gone models ;)

[ForSure]

it will have no soul hahaah

clone me a megan fox ... *giggles*

[phenom]

lol, yes you can even have younger versions of old and gone models ;)

charleeze theron b4 monster, lol

[mercurial]

it will have no soul hahaah



you raise an interesting point for those religious people out there! if cloning works and only "god" is able to give a soul, then a soul is BS cos it can be made by humans, hence in all likeliness, the soul does not exist.

[phenom]

you raise an interesting point for those religious people out there! if cloning works and only "god" is able to give a soul, then a soul is BS cos it can be made by humans, hence in all likeliness, the soul does not exist.

:eek:,wow ... and that came from you

[PostmanPot]

you raise an interesting point for those religious people out there! if cloning works and only "god" is able to give a soul, then a soul is BS cos it can be made by humans, hence in all likeliness, the soul does not exist.

Well spotted :cool:

Deserves a new thread, perhaps.

[antitheist]

This is good news for Stem cell researchers. No more having to sidestep the soul issue.

[DJ...]

Marilyn Monroe, here I cum baby!!!!!

[Killove]

All of you thinking about old models/actresses to clone..
Imagine if we could bring Aristotle/Plato back, Einstein even...
Moses?
Jesus?
Adam and Eve?
Walt Disney? :P

the possibilities, now how do we get adam and eve's dna? hmm..

[mercurial]

lol

[Jonny Two Shoes]

Back on the soul issue I still don't see how cloning kills the fact that there is or is not a soul.

I don't know whether or not there is so I am not biased btw.

All I am saying is that if a clone is erm... "born" then a new soul will possess the body. So an evil Einstein lookalike will exist thats all.

For instance did you know (and I vaguely remember this so facts are a little misty and I stand to be corrected) that the human gene code only allows for a good 10 or 11 billion combinations (we don't have a long way to go ey?! what are we now ... 6 billion?). So what, you have 2 people with the same genetic code. Doesn't mean they have the same soul. If it exists that is :p

[dablakmark8]

the soul has weight:D,tis true

[dablakmark8]

I want me a clone of me--- self.

[Pr⊕phet]

I want me a clone of me--- self.

hopefully you don't want to play with the clone ;)

[Fudzy]

Regardless of the moral high ground some people take, I don't see why anyone would be against a future where we could rid our children of problem genes.

[PostmanPot]

Clone of myself and a brain-transplant at 13yrs of age, when I'm ready to leave original body :D

[phenom]

Solutions this tech could bring:


We could be cure death, cure aging, all disease, fat people, maybe even ugly people with a body swop - also a cure for james blunt

as people could have multiple lives, productivity, and creativity would also get an quantum leap, imagine a 150 yo einstein, or 300yo picasso, or 3000yo socrates... and more time to use your education, you spent 30 years achieving

smack some sense into people who thinks embryo's have souls & to bush & people who oppose stem cell research..

make stem cell research more feasible, thus grow hearts, and many other organs in lab

Anyone could buy a top model or porn star @ 7/11, probably not feasible, but we could make designer babies more available

Gay&Lesbians could have children , having two fathers would be funny
, bit more improvements in creating cloned sperm for lesbians, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6265366.stm

other fertile people, can now have children,

if everything fails.. we could resalect jesus

brilliant, IMO, this is either the best thing us humans have ever invented, or it would be ignored and banned by the nutz

[Highflyer_GP]

Sure there are a lot of benefits, but increasing life spans would give rise to wild overpopulation.

I have no problem if it were used to cure previously incurable diseases (in order to ease our suffering) or to help couples who cannot procreate naturally etc. But I do get a little uneasy around the thought of each human living for 500 years. Personally I think that we should live as long as we naturally can, bar disease. Death is a part of life, and a very necessary one at that. It's natures way of controlling life's populations.

[phenom]

Sure there are a lot of benefits, but increasing life spans would give rise to wild overpopulation.

I have no problem if it were used to cure previously incurable diseases, but I do get a little uneasy around the thought of each human living for 500 years. Personally I think that we should live as long as we naturally can, bar disease.

may be many posibilities to counter that

rem. all the people on earth could fit into texas

the more developed nations have negative birthrates, look at europe & japan, and if everyone could eventually reach their conditions, birthrates will be negative everywhere,



well considering it's complexity, it would only be to the business class, like through, benefits, or to the rich, who wil have access to this in the beginning.

I think that governments would also recognize this technology, and play god with it, like say, stop people with criminal records from using it, and thus leaving them to nature.

also, If we have more rich people and artisans, we will find and build more solutions to over population, like say skyfarms, and with new, future power sources like, say fusion, this will also become more fesible.

if abortion is philosophically proven ok, through the feasibility of this tech, then the birthrates will leave more space open for this.

highrises and many other techs could also make this more feasible

then theirs mars and the billions of possible earth like planets out their

we could also robots to build halo's 1000 years from now

thing is that this if in the right hands, that this tech could be the best thing that ever happened to humans or evolution, it may make some people feel left out though,


Death is a part of life, and a very necessary one at that. It's natures way of controlling life's populations. mother nature made us, and gave us these capabilities, it would be against mother nature to not use them. it's like mother nature giving a dodo wings, but the dodo doesn't want to use it...
why are we debating mother nature, if we had to listen to that old hag, we would still be living in caves
mother nature doesnt always know best, she is a sult, she experiments with everyone, 99% of her creatures are already extinct, i don't think we should let her do that to us too

[scotty777]

Is it me, or is cloning morally wrong? and btw... they've been cloning us for years now... they've been doing it with alien technology @area 51

[mercurial]

Is it me, or is cloning morally wrong? and btw... they've been cloning us for years now... they've been doing it with alien technology @area 51

if cloning is morally wrong, how is it any different to humans impregnating and giving birth? also, donating organs to others who might die if they don't get it? how is that any different? at the end of the day you are doing the same thing - giving life.

[Robin Hood]

Remember when they cloned Dolly? Well, i was wondering...If you can clone a human being, how would the 2 ppl's personality be??...Same or different?

[Highflyer_GP]

My guess would be different personalities, I don't see any reason for them to be the same. Factors such as upbringing is a big influence on one's personality.

The question I would like to know the answer to is whether or not clones would share identical fingerprints.

[Robin Hood]

My guess would be different personalities, I don't see any reason for them to be the same. Factors such as upbringing is a big influence on one's personality.

The answer I would like to know the answer to is whether or not clones would share identical fingerprints.
Donno if you've ever seen the movie "The Island"...Quite good though...Also about Human Cloning...