Here's the answer to diesel generators - your own private nuclear reactor

[bekdik]

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-toshiba-micro-nuclear-12.17b.html


Toshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor
Toshiba has developed a new class of micro size Nuclear Reactors that is designed to power individual apartment buildings or city blocks. The new reactor, which is only 20 feet by 6 feet, could change everything for small remote communities, small businesses or even a group of neighbors who are fed up with the power companies and want more control over their energy needs.

The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe and totally automatic and will not overheat. Unlike traditional nuclear reactors the new micro reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction. The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6, an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons. The Lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits into the reactor core. The whole whole process is self sustaining and can last for up to 40 years, producing electricity for only 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.

Toshiba expects to install the first reactor in Japan in 2008 and to begin marketing the new system in Europe and America in 2009.

[The_Librarian]

Maybe we have to look at that?

Wonder how much one unit would cost?

[killadoob]

so how many body parts would i need to sell to get this?

i am only willing to 1 of my 3 legs

[The_Librarian]

Maybe a whole block can pool their funds and buy one of these for their own benefit.

Problem is - where would you put it...

[Moederloos]

200KW is only like 30-50 houses under full load.

For a million smackers, it would be worthwhile for a townhouse complex of 30-40 units to join together and buy one.

[AutoX]

Doubt if it will cost only a million

[killadoob]

i dunno man

i would imagine it would need a pretty well guarded place

i mean if okes are happy to rape murder etc why would they not be happy to explode one of these things

[AutoX]

They will pocket one of these reactors and threat the reserve bank!

[The_Librarian]

I'm off to play the Lotto, will buy somebody's house, demolish it, and put said nuke generator on said erf after securing it properly :D

[bwana]

i dunno man

i would imagine it would need a pretty well guarded place

i mean if okes are happy to rape murder etc why would they not be happy to explode one of these thingsI dont think blowing up the nearest nuclear reactor would ever occur to your average rapist/murderer. :)

[AutoX]

You know this might just be the answer to our problems, get a couple of these units that is unstable and place them in some key areas and..........sorry my mind was running away with me. Desperate times calls for desperate measures.

[phenom]

Yip, this also further confirms, that battery, and or hydrogen, cars are the future. Oil & Power crisis, should also now be solved?

permanent UAV's, etc...

to my understanding:

thing would cost about R77,250 each


The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor

producing electricity for only 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.
200000 x 0.05= $10000
$10,000 x 7.725= R77,250 each for every 40 years of 200kwh electricity.

uhm, this thing does not cause cancer or can't be used as a bomb, righht?

[Moederloos]

Yip, this also further confirms, that battery, and or hydrogen, cars are the future. Oil & Power crisis, should also now be solved?

permanent UAV's, etc...

to my understanding:

thing would cost about R77,250 each



200000 x 0.05= $10000
$10,000 x 7.725= R77,250 each for every 40 years of 200kwh electricity.

uhm, this thing does not cause cancer or can't be used as a bomb, righht?


But is that 5c in fuel costs, or does it include Capex?

[phenom]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=a.5RbNhJu6wI&refer=japan
seems real

[Nocturnity]

Sorry gents... 'tis a hoax.

http://www.gadgets-weblog.com/50226711/toshibas_micro_nuclear_plant_nice_idea_but_a_hoax. php

[Moederloos]

Gah! well, it will be true one day.

[The_Librarian]

One little problem - what do you do with disposal of the unit after 40 years?

[The_Librarian]

bah @ hoax

sounded too good to be true...

[phenom]

Sorry gents... 'tis a hoax.

http://www.gadgets-weblog.com/50226711/toshibas_micro_nuclear_plant_nice_idea_but_a_hoax. php
don't think so:

Oct. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Toshiba Corp., Japan's biggest maker of nuclear power plants, will start talks this month with a U.S. regulator to approve a micro reactor targeted at remote areas such as Galena on Alaska's Yukon River.

The company will hold the first meeting on Oct. 23 to brief the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission on safety and other features of the new 4S reactor, seeking design certification, the U.S. regulator said on its Web site. The license is required to sell and build the plant in the U.S.

The reactor, with a fraction the capacity of typical U.S. units, is aimed at rural areas and remote islands that mostly rely on oil-fired power because of their distance from national grids. Toshiba's 4S would be sited near communities now facing record-high costs for power generated from oil. Galena, with 700 residents, is considering the new reactor, an official said.

``We are very pleased that Toshiba is now working on a schedule with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission,'' Marvin Yoder, Galena's consultant on the nuclear project and ex-mayor, said in an e-mail. ``The Toshiba plant holds promise for rural areas of Alaska and other remote areas around the world.''

The process between Toshiba and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission ``is expected to last many months'' because the reactor is ``very different from the designs the NRC currently regulates,'' commissioner Peter Lyons said in an e-mailed reply to questions.

`Scope, Schedule' http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=a.5RbNhJu6wI&refer=japan


Their is also evidence that Alaska has plans to use this in neighborhoods and in power plants

& THIS:
http://criepi.denken.or.jp/en/e_publication/a2004/04kiban18.pdf

http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.toshiba.co.jp/nuclearenergy/jigyounaiyou/4s.htm

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/nuclearenergy/jigyounaiyou/image/s4_02.gif

THIS IS NO HOAX!!!:)

[bekdik]

snopes doesn't know of the hoax

[phenom]

snopes doesn't know of the hoax
please read my post above

not a hoax:
as the link (http://www.gadgets-weblog.com/50226711/toshibas_micro_nuclear_plant_nice_idea_but_a_hoax. php) which claims that this is a hoax suggests:
Strangely, I could find no mention of this on Toshiba's main corporate site, and I know they do some stuff with nuclear reactors in Japan.
it is wrong, as the idiot writer of this aritcle does not realize that Toshiba is Japanese company and not American, he searched the american site, while, their site from their country proves that these plans are real and ppl, this is NOT A HOAX
their are also many pages about this if you search toshiba.co.jp
here are the plans from the Japanese site
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/nuclearenergy/jigyounaiyou/4s.htm#01

"4S" ※ the energy to the world's needy in various locations used for the exchange of fuel needed to improve nuclear nonproliferation as a natural phenomenon to maximize the safety of the design of emergency unique to a small nuclear reactor raised.

東芝は、「常陽」、「もんじゅ」の開発を通じて培ってきた技術をベースとしてこの ゛ニュークリア・バッテリー゛の開発に取り組んでいます。 Toshiba, "JOYO", "Monju" cultivated through the development of technology based on the 'New' Clear developing battery.
※４Ｓ＝Super-Safe, Small and Simple S = 4 ※ Super-Safe, Small and Simple 4S plant system
特 長 Features
● 小型のナトリウム冷却高速炉 Small sodium-cooled fast reactor
● 最初に装荷した燃料を交換することなく30年間運転可能 First fuel loading by 30 years without having to exchange operational
● 自然現象を活用した安全設計（人的操作がなくても自然に炉停止・除熱） Safety design utilizing a natural phenomenon (without any manipulation of human nature shutdown heat removal)
● 静的機器（電磁ポンプ等）の採用によるメンテナンス低減 Static equipment (electromagnetic pump, etc.) adopted by reducing maintenance
● 水から水素を製造するシステムと接続可能 Hydrogen production from water and can be connected to the system


原理・システム構成 System configuration principle
電気出力： Electrical output: 10MWe、50MWe 10MWe, 50MWe
炉心反応度 Core reactivity
制御： Control: 移動式反射体の上昇 Movable reflector rise
温度係数： Temperature coefficient: 全ての温度係数を負 All of a negative temperature coefficient
燃　料： Fuel costs: 濃縮ウラン金属燃料 Enriched uranium metal fuel
対ナトリウム Versus sodium
漏洩： Exposure: 全ての容器、配管を二重化 All containers, piping duplicate
水素製造 Hydrogen production
システム： Systems: 高温水蒸気電解法 High-temperature steam electrolysis methodyippeeeee

[Nocturnity]

Ah, sorry, I posted a stupid link. I remember reading about this a while back. It's not a complete hoax, just exaggerated. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S . That is the real toshiba mini nuke. Far from being completed and grossly exaggerated power output.

[phenom]

Ah, sorry, I posted a stupid link. I remember reading about this a while back. It's not a complete hoax, just exaggerated. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S . That is the real toshiba mini nuke. Far from being completed and grossly exaggerated power output.
plz excuse me for screaming, just that most people here also thought it too good to be true and a hoax would be pretty believable, as we have had many free energy hoaxes recently, Sterno free energy machine for ie.

luckily the hoax was debunked, and now their is more hope to get away from oil and energy crisis, faster than we thought.

just hope this thing is not a health hazzard & can't be used as a weapon.

[Nod]

Translated picture of the micro nuclear power plant:
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=2472&cat=500

[Paulr]

Translated picture of the micro nuclear power plant:
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=2472&cat=500


Heheheh :D :D

[azapi]

"Toshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor"
http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=Mjk3NzAsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE=

[mancombseepgood]

Interesting... gadgets-weblog seem to be the only guys calling it a hoax... pretty much fooled everyone, including bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=a.5RbNhJu6wI&refer=japan)