SA is going down, says Mbeki's brother

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A controversial BBC documentary portraying South Africa as being on a downward spiral is an accurate portrayal of the country and the ANC is the main destabilising factor, leading intellectual Moeletsi Mbeki has said.

Mbeki, brother of President Thabo Mbeki, told the Cape Argus that South Africans had to face the fact the rest of the world had reason to be "very concerned" about the direction in which the country was moving.

Mbeki also criticised new ANC president Jacob Zuma for "bad-mouthing" his own country's political and justice system in a foreign country.

Zuma claimed in court papers in Mauritius this week that fraud charges against him were part of a political move against him.

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In court, Zuma accused President Mbeki and suspended director of public prosecutions Vusi Pikoli of being the chief suspects in a conspiracy against him.

Moeletsi Mbeki, who is deputy chairperson of the SA Institute of International Studies at the University of the Witwatersrand, said: "Here we have the president of the ANC, the possible future president of the country, claiming that the 16 charges of fraud against him are part of a political campaign to keep him out of office.

"There are no such things as political trials in this country, but he goes and says so in a foreign country, creating a bad impression of his own country's justice system.

"The world looks at this country, they hear things like that, they see that the ruling party's president is going to appear in court on 16 charges of fraud and what should they think?"

Moeletsi Mbeki was responding to the debate that has raged following the scathing documentary No More Mandelas, which was aired on the BBC and on M-Net's Carte Blanche on Sunday.

The documentary was made by journalist Fergal Keane and included a revealing interview with Zuma.

It focused on crime including interviews with criminals, alleged political corruption and HIV/Aids.

The Cape Argus reported on Thursday that government agencies are scrambling to come up with ways to boost the country's image in light of recent events in the country which have triggered reports such as the BBC documentary.

Mbeki also highlighted the government's plan to disband the Scorpions as a "major concern".

"Here we have a country with a major crime problem, a major corruption problem and what does the government do?

"They plan the disbanding of the country's most successful and effective crime-fighting agency. It is mad and it sends out only one message," he said.

Author and commentator Xolela Mangcu also described Zuma's claims in the court papers as "weird and surreal".

"I don't know what it will take for South Africans to come to terms with the truth," he said.

"It seems they do not know what it will take to get them to see that we are in deep trouble. No amount of spin will wash the reality away.

"I wish we had a different government that would face the truth and act, and acknowledge our problems.

"In his budget speech, Minister of Finance Trevor Manuel said we were all in it together and that sounded like a belated appeal to get people to work together against our problems.

"But the government was elected to act."

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Mbeki's brother is probably the only man with high status I know with common sense in this country
 
of course they out to get zuma

they dont want him to be president

do you really think the rape thing was rape?

he has walked through almost everything they have thrown at him and will become president

whether this is a good or bad thing remains to be seem but someone out there is worried about him becoming president and im not sure whether the whites or blacks should be more worried

zulu's are just as racist towards their own colour just as afrikaaners are towards blacks
 
My question now is. seeing there ARE Africans that can actually see whats happening in this country, why the hell do they put crap in parliment???
 
Can you believe it...they must make THIS guy president :eek:

Lets see here, does he posses the qualities of an african president?

HIV + ?
Have numerous corruption charges against him?
Std 6?
 
My question now is. seeing there ARE Africans that can actually see whats happening in this country, why the hell do they put crap in parliment???

Told you, clever people do not make it to parliament in a democracy.
It's the stupid ones that get there.
They are mostly asleep anyway(i suppose it is to get cleverer)
 
Black on black, black on white those are okay, never ever white on black!
 
Lets see here, does he posses the qualities of an african president?

HIV + ?
Have numerous corruption charges against him?
Std 6?

I do not know about his HIV status.
He has a few minor corruption charges.
He only has standard 3.
I guess he does not qualify.
Sorry to dissapoint.
 
why? for stating facts?

For posting all Afrikaaners are racist towards blacks. Notice the reference to only a part of white civilization? There is some people with a general anti Afrikaaner stance on myadsl and it is starting to grate me. Racists are to be found everywhere.
 
For posting all Afrikaaners are racist towards blacks. Notice the reference to only a part of white civilization? There is some people with a general anti Afrikaaner stance on myadsl and it is starting to grate me. Racists are to be found everywhere.

sory i didnt read his full comment

not all afrikaaners are racists towards blacks
 
I do not know about his HIV status.
He has a few minor corruption charges.
He only has standard 3.
I guess he does not qualify.
Sorry to dissapoint.

Make him deputy then, give him some time to develope :)
 
For posting all Afrikaaners are racist towards blacks. Notice the reference to only a part of white civilization? There is some people with a general anti Afrikaaner stance on myadsl and it is starting to grate me. Racists are to be found everywhere.

Very true,

Nowadays you can even find them in the government.
And they are getting vocal as well!
Very open about it too.
 
For posting all Afrikaaners are racist towards blacks. Notice the reference to only a part of white civilization? There is some people with a general anti Afrikaaner stance on myadsl and it is starting to grate me. Racists are to be found everywhere.


dude plz show me where i stated ALL afrikaaners are racist?

i said afrikaaners are racist towards black i did not mention every single last afrikaaner

how can you want me banned for stating a fact ?

again read my post i was using afrikaaners as an example of zulu's stance towards their own colour

drama queen of note you are :)
 
dude plz show me where i stated ALL afrikaaners are racist?

i said afrikaaners are racist towards black i did not mention every single last afrikaaner

how can you want me banned for stating a fact ?

again read my post i was using afrikaaners as an example of zulu's stance towards their own colour

drama queen of note you are :)

Some Afrikaners are racist toward White English speaking people as well.
 
of course they out to get zuma

they dont want him to be president

do you really think the rape thing was rape?

he has walked through almost everything they have thrown at him and will become president

whether this is a good or bad thing remains to be seem but someone out there is worried about him becoming president and im not sure whether the whites or blacks should be more worried

zulu's are just as racist towards their own colour just as afrikaaners are towards blacks

plz show where i state every single afrikaaner on the planet is racist towards blacks?

all i did was use afrikaaners as an example
 
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