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Setho
18-03-2008, 08:03 PM
Is there anybody here who works at the mines, or knows people who work at the mines?


With the mines (and other big industrial energy-users) hogging some 80% of the available energy that Eeeksom miraculously creates, doesn't it make sense to put some attention on the efficiency of energy use by the d*mn mines, rather than the rest of us? With all the press on the energy "crisis", most of us are not noticing the big, fat and gold-dust-covered elephant sitting right there in our living rooms, right in front of our TVs, ya know?


I mean, come on, isn't it better to make the big-arsed 80% energy elephant more efficient than the rest of us who pay nearly three times more per kwh than the d*mn mines AND using a mere 1/4th of what energy THEY use, right? And not to mention the coming rate hikes for we 'lil, mousy 20% users, not to mention the penalties/tariffs that pours salt into our energy wounds.


I mean, think about it. Eeeksom wants us 20% energy users to cut down our energy use by 10%, right? So 10% of the 20% is only a 2% reduction of total SA energy use. But 10% of the mines' 80% energy use is a whopping 8%...4 TIMES the energy cuts that the general public can manage to cut. If the public were to match that 8% reduction of energy use, the public would have to cut their energy use by a whopping 40%! Fat chance when the public can hardly manage to cut their use by even 1 or 2 % so far. Yea the public can do more, but the mines can do even more, yes? Given that a good 50% to 70% of the energy used by a mine goes to "maintenance", there's got to be some room for greater energy efficiency, isn't there?


So does anybody here in the boards work in the mines or does anybody know anybody who does? What can be done to help -- no, force, really -- the mines to be more efficient so that we can have a bit more wiggle room in our dealing with this crisis?


It's time that the 'lil mouse roared and spooked the gold-dust-covered elephant, I say! So what info can you dig up?

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Nick333
18-03-2008, 08:09 PM
You do realise that the "damn" mines are the corner stone of our economy don't you?

Setho
18-03-2008, 08:28 PM
You do realise that the "damn" mines are the corner stone of our economy don't you?


...realize that and I'm grateful for the international money that they bring in, don't get me wrong there. But it's just so unfair to place the burden of energy-use reduction on just the 20% public market, when the mining companies use 4 times that amount.


Yes, they bring the wealth in, but, thanks to their energy use, the really should carry 80% of the burden of energy-shedding, if you will.


And, given the well-demonstrated incompetence (intentional, no doubt) of Eeeksom, perhaps the privately-owned mining companies may be a bit more responsive to the public's requests for greater energy efficiency by the corporations that run the mines, yes?


Afterall, if the mining companies make an aggressive effort to shed energy use without impacting their operations, doesn't that make it more possible for them to do even more mining and make more money, given the far-higher--and profitable--prices of the precious metals these days?

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Ozymandias
18-03-2008, 08:56 PM
Mining uses about 15% and Industry about 28%. of Eskom's electricity sales. Not sure what the municipalities provide to these two. A 10% cut in electricity to the mines results in a 20% cut in mining output. There would in all likelihood, be a corresponding 20% cut in labour at this level or about 100,000 jobs. Residential users have to do their bit even if it only amounts to 2%. I'm sure that the mines and industry will become as energy efficient as possible because their bottom line is at stake.

Paulr
19-03-2008, 06:07 PM
It is probably a lot "quicker" for a household to save some power than for a company, in terms of time. So it's a start.

But to reduce the power demand long term, industry, mines etc. will also have to look at ways of saving power without affecting production. I don't know what happens in the Anglo Gold's ops meeting, but I'm sure they are looking at their setups, procedures etc. etc. to reduce their consumption as well. It will take a while though....