Ubuntu beats Mac and Vista at the CanSecWest hacking competition. Again

Writing this on my macbook I have to agree ubuntu is better, just have not gotten around installing it on my macbook yet :)
 
Only Ubuntu left standing, as Flash vuln fells Vista in Pwn2Own hacking contest
Contestant overcomes bout of 'hacktile dysfunction'
By Dan Goodin in Vancouver → More by this author
Published Saturday 29th March 2008 21:27 GMT
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CanSecWest A laptop running a fully patched version of Microsoft's Vista operating system was the second and final machine to fall in a hacking contest that pitted the security of Windows, OS X and Ubuntu Linux. With both a Windows and Mac machine felled, only the Linux box remained standing following the three-day competition.

Shane Macaulay, who played a hand bringing down a Mac during last year's Pwn2Own contest, defeated the Vista machine using a previously unknown vulnerability in Adobe Flash. On final day of the CanSecWest conference in Vancouver, Macaulay spent the better part of four hours trying to get the exploit to work. (The delay prompted one spectator to playfully dub the difficulty "hacktile dysfunction.")

A MacBook Pro running a fully patched version of Leopard was the first to drop out during day two of the race, when researchers from Independent Security Evaluators demonstrated a previously unknown vulnerability in Apple's Safari browser. With brand new boxes running both Ubuntu and Vista remaining, Macaulay spent day three switching back and forth between the two machines, trying to get his Flash exploit to execute properly. He was assisted by Alex Sotirov, a security researcher at VMware.

Initially thwarting Macaulay's efforts was the recently released Service Pack 1 for Vista, which he had neglected to install when testing the Flash exploit in the days leading up to the contest. Per the contest rules, each target machine had to be fully patched, and when the researcher first ran the code during the competition, new page protections added by Microsoft's security team prevented the exploit from properly executing.

"They had done some stuff in Vista to prohibit this form of attack from being successful on third party software," Macaulay said minutes after he finally commandeered the Fujitsu U810 laptop. "We had to do some porting to get around that issue."

Macaulay and Sotirov fashioned some javascript to circumvent the new measure, a feat that effectively allows them "to render that protection ineffective," Macaulay said.

It also allows them to pocket a $5,000 bounty from Tipping Point's Zero Day Initiative and keep the pricey Fujitsu laptop. Macaulay said he would probably sell the machine, which he and Sotirov autographed with a black Sharpie pen, on eBay.

Under contest rules, qualifying exploits on day one had to target default installations of the operating system itself and winners were allowed to walk away with the hacked box and a $20,000 bounty. Contest organizers gradually expanded the eligible attack surface on days two and three by allowing an vulnerabilities in an increasing number of third party applications. The bounty dropped to $10,000 on day 2 and $5,000 on day three. No one bothered competing on day one.

Plenty of commentators have made hay of the MacBook Pro being the first to exit the race, and Linux zealots are sure to conclude the contest results prove the superiority of that platform. Maybe. But that's not how it looks to Macaulay, who says with a few hours of tweaking, his exploit will also work on OS X and Linux.

The better take-away is that exploits like these are a fact of life for everyone no matter what kind of machine they choose (are you listening, Mac Guy?). Another lesson: just as quickly as Microsoft or any other developer adds new measures like page protection to their code base, hackers, ethical and otherwise, are find ways to work around them.

"Nobody can do anything about it, because you're always going to be installing something" that will bypass security, Macaulay, who wore torn blue jeans and a Puma jogging jacket, said with a shrug. "If it's not Java, it'll be something else." ®


I am eagerly awaiting the release of Hardy Heron:D.

Edit: Just saw that there is another release due in October 2008: Intrepid Ibex:eek: At this rate MS will soon be extinct:p
 
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Writing this on my macbook I have to agree ubuntu is better, just have not gotten around installing it on my macbook yet :)

Ubuntu runs like a dream on macbooks :D A couple of people I know have installed it and prefer it to the Mac OS.
 
Ubuntu is good just wish they would bother to fix two main issues I have with it. 1) Using a Geforce8xxx on 64bit edition causes HUGE problems. Been like that for ever now but they don't bother to fix it.

2) Surround sound issues while using creative cards and replicating the stereo signal of mp3's to all 5 of my 5.1 speakers easily
 
I am eagerly awaiting the release of Hardy Heron:D.

Edit: Just saw that there is another release due in October 2008: Intrepid Ibex:eek: At this rate MS will soon be extinct:p

LOL, if only...

There's more chance of MS opening up windows to the opensource community than them going broke... :rolleyes:

Yay for Linux, wonder how long it would have taken, if it weren't for the vulnerability though.. :confused:
 
Yay for Linux, wonder how long it would have taken, if it weren't for the vulnerability though.. :confused:

That's a weird question: How long would it have taken if they couldn't have done it?

Although, it was a flash vulnerability - not sure what makes vista/xp or any linux less vulnerable to a flash vulnerability.
 
Ubuntu is good just wish they would bother to fix two main issues I have with it. 1) Using a Geforce8xxx on 64bit edition causes HUGE problems. Been like that for ever now but they don't bother to fix it.

2) Surround sound issues while using creative cards and replicating the stereo signal of mp3's to all 5 of my 5.1 speakers easily

No sound on Gutsy on my Lenovo notebook:(.
 
Its sad hey, what is the point of having such a secure OS if you don't or can't use it?

Whats the point in having a system thats not secure?

Its siffy uneducated (in IT) windows users who get every trojan and malware program out there on the planet that allows the spammers of the world to relay their filth. Also, its nice to know your banking details are not going to be lifted off your machine.


/me moers bttb :D
 
Whats the point in having a system thats not secure?

Its siffy uneducated (in IT) windows users who get every trojan and malware program out there on the planet that allows the spammers of the world to relay their filth. Also, its nice to know your banking details are not going to be lifted off your machine.


/me moers bttb :D

That's also true, lets face it at the end of the day it boils down to the users not being id1ots. However there needs to be a balance between security and usability, having the scale swing in only one direction is dangerous.
 
/me moers bttb :D

what did bttb do to deserve a moering? :D

anyways - if I install Linux as server, and it doesn't have sound even though the motherboard have an onboard sound chip, then I won't worry as a server doesn't really need sound.

But for a home user it's a bit iffy... movies without sound aren't the same... :D
 
That's also true, lets face it at the end of the day it boils down to the users not being id1ots. However there needs to be a balance between security and usability, having the scale swing in only one direction is dangerous.

There is... and in the most case thats true.. for Ubuntu also. If you had asked me what the results of this compo were ganna be... I would not have thought that Ubuntu would have come through this bullet proof, and honestly expected the Mac to do a lot better than it did.

Saule`s problem is unfortunate. The thing is... his sound drivers are loaded fine, just the config for it is a bit boned out, and unfortunately, most of us are still getting our heads around the gazillion setting options in Linux... but the release cycles of Ubuntu are consistant and quick, and every new release is a major step forward in ironing out the bugs.

Which is why he is so excited about Hardy... hehe
 
There is... and in the most case thats true.. for Ubuntu also. If you had asked me what the results of this compo were ganna be... I would not have thought that Ubuntu would have come through this bullet proof, and honestly expected the Mac to do a lot better than it did.

Saule`s problem is unfortunate. The thing is... his sound drivers are loaded fine, just the config for it is a bit boned out, and unfortunately, most of us are still getting our heads around the gazillion setting options in Linux... but the release cycles of Ubuntu are consistant and quick, and every new release is a major step forward in ironing out the bugs.

Which is why he is so excited about Hardy... hehe

Hey let me tell you I love Ubuntu and used it often before I got my Geforce 8xxx gfx card. However I am not going to use the 32bit version since I have 4GB RAM, thats why I will wait until its all been sorted out so I can use Ubuntu x64
 
Hey let me tell you I love Ubuntu and used it often before I got my Geforce 8xxx gfx card. However I am not going to use the 32bit version since I have 4GB RAM, thats why I will wait until its all been sorted out so I can use Ubuntu x64

Ubuntu 32 can handle 4GB of ram :confused: (being 2^32).

I know windows 32 cant, but Ubuntu 32 can handle 4gb

Though it sounds like you have a gaming machine there, and I dont blame you for spending more time in windows. When I game so do I.
 
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to use the 4GB of RAM in 32-bit you would need to install a PAE kernel. which I assume is available in the Ubuntu repos.
 
to use the 4GB of RAM in 32-bit you would need to install a PAE kernel. which I assume is available in the Ubuntu repos.

That is true, although I do prefer 64-bit versions of software I always find it to be more stable. Or is it in my mind?
 
i can't say from my experiences that 64-bit is any more stable than 32-bit.
 
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