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armitage
20-10-2003, 02:33 PM
This is most likely the most relevant place that i can post this. well here goes.
I stay bout a 100m away from a friend who i lan with every weekend now i stay in an apartment an from my window i can actually c his house now i was wondering if anyone knew of a company or a locally available wifi router(outdoor) that i could buy that would remove the need for me to actually lug pc over there every weekend.
New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh
Andre
20-10-2003, 06:35 PM
How about one of these:
http://www.netgear.com/products/prod_details.asp?prodID=165&view=
If I'm not mistaken one of the forum members has one so you could do a search and ask him what it's like.
Linksys make some wireless stuff that I've used with DSL as well, not sure if their products are available locally.
armitage
22-10-2003, 07:46 AM
[:D]
Thats a nice product i must say built in adsl modem with a wireless switch.
but whats the range i wonder?
It looks like an indoor wifi switch cause most of the pics ive seen of the outdoor ones look like little military lunch boxes(able to withstand volcanic temparatures, fall from orbits, lightning strikes, meteor impacts)
also the price is about so thats R1099 without import tax.
I wonder who supplies it locally?
New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh
Andre
22-10-2003, 09:54 AM
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<br />[:D]
also the price is about so thats R1099 without import tax.
I wonder who supplies it locally?
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I think that Netgear is more like R3000 here. From what I've seen the range of this wireless stuff is not that great and signal gets blocked by walls easily.
You do get repeaters though that can help. Maybe stick a repeater near the window?
armitage
22-10-2003, 03:33 PM
but whats the range i wonder?
New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh
Andre
22-10-2003, 04:22 PM
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<br />but whats the range i wonder?
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Some answers here:
http://www.linksys.com/products/wirelessstandards.asp
armitage
03-11-2003, 10:28 AM
[:D]definetly gonna try an set up a wifi network in the bellvile area gonna be kewl just gotta get a friend on the bottom of bill bezuidenhout to put up a router on the top of his apartment building.
pringles boosters awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
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Hi Guys,
There is actually a MUCH earlier way to connect your two PC's!!
An important point though!
NB NB NB - You will need a CLEAR line of sight between the two houses! That means, NO Tree's, no buildings - NOTHING...
You should both be able to stand on your roof's and wave to each other!!!
You say you're about 100m away from each other! You will be wasting your time if you use routers,bridges,AP's etc(they will work but its really not necessasy) as its just the two of you!
Now, what you would need is the following for each side :
1 x Wireless network card (+-R450, has a range of up to 1.2KM-CAN be made alot further though with the right equipment)
1 x Pigtail (+-R110 - to connect wireless card to antennae)
1 x 8dBi Patch Antennae should do the trick(+-R200 - a pringle can will work but its not very reliable and will take a while to align properly - IF it works!!!)
If you want more people to join your lan you would need an bridge/AP(Access point) - and people can connect up to 25km away (Dont forget the line of sight though) - Access point's go for about R1400! There have even been instances of people connecting 41km apart with these specific AP's in the karoo...
Hope this helped....
Yeah and it's totally illegal if the signal crosses any form of official boundary such a road. It is of course entirely legal if it is used within a closed boundary such as a resdidential or office complex.... but I guess that's not ideal.
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<br />Yeah and it's totally illegal if the signal crosses any form of official boundary such a road. It is of course entirely legal if it is used within a closed boundary such as a resdidential or office complex.... but I guess that's not ideal.
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Yeah, suppose it is illegal - ICASA wont be happy... hopefully things will change though and we could have huge wireless lan party's! but suppose that wont happen anytime soon! Oh well....[B)]
armitage
04-12-2003, 01:44 PM
Its not illegal(well i think it is most likely wrong) anymore if it crosses a road. and according to what i've read in most of the forums icasa is only gonna be on ure case if ure emmisions is too high. so no crappy antennas that leak like a blowup dart board.
well i found out yesterday of a wifi group in me neighbourhood so im gonna see if i can join up with them and build my own one cause these guys seem to use it just for gaming which is woooooooot
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mithrandi
04-12-2003, 02:47 PM
Just because it isn't being enforced doesn't mean it isn't illegal. As I understand it, establishing any kind of telecommuncations across a municiple boundary is illegal; eg. it's illegal to run CAT-5 over your garden wall. If you want to do that legally, you would have to pay Telkom to install a leased line of some kind. In fact, I think it's illegal just to run CAT-5 from one floor of an office building to another if they're owned by different companies / whatever.
Of course, if no-one knows about it, no-one is going to do anything about it...
mithrandi
mastercom
11-12-2003, 07:41 PM
hello everyone, i would like to deploy hotspot equipments, but i have a hard time chosing the right equipments for my environment.
any help would be appreciated
thanks
F.David
armitage
18-12-2003, 02:09 PM
Well mastercom where or what area r u residing in? maybe if were close we can do a joint op
It seems a couple of guys that r running hotspots already r using netgears also try out this site http://sawireless.tripod.com/ the guy who did it has a nice amount of articles u can read an find out for ureself what is the best.
New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh
Armitage - mastercom is in Nigeria, according to his profile - please don't tell me you're going to use Telkom's SpeedStream?! [:D][}:)]
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<br />Just because it isn't being enforced doesn't mean it isn't illegal. As I understand it, establishing any kind of telecommuncations across a municiple boundary is illegal; eg. it's illegal to run CAT-5 over your garden wall. If you want to do that legally, you would have to pay Telkom to install a leased line of some kind. In fact, I think it's illegal just to run CAT-5 from one floor of an office building to another if they're owned by different companies / whatever.
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If the previously disadvantage people can lay wires from the nearest substation so can we. The law in this country is up to crap so noting can happen to you.[:D]
Here is an idea. Why don’t Security complex get there own private networks on and then they can connect to each other. The complexes has it own switches witch connect to the core switch witch in turn connect to the Internet and to other complexes. Like a giant campus network, and if u move to the flat in the complex u have an option to use it for a fee.[:p]
I say Lets burn them
SauRoN
16-01-2004, 03:06 PM
Does anybody know of a local company that actually sells 802.11 compatible Antenna's in the range of 15db and upwards ?
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If the previously disadvantage people can lay wires from the nearest substation so can we. The law in this country is up to crap so noting can happen to you.
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Civil disobedience of this kind just leads to anarchy and chaos - my late dad used to say 'Two wrongs don't make a right'...
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Here is an idea. Why don’t Security complex get there own private networks on and then they can connect to each other. The complexes has it own switches witch connect to the core switch witch in turn connect to the Internet and to other complexes. Like a giant campus network, and if u move to the flat in the complex u have an option to use it for a fee.
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And who says that security companies haven't already pursued this? Your idea is not new, and has been pursued already - but there wouldn't be much 'security' if this was made publicly known and available, now would there?
antowan
16-01-2004, 06:24 PM
I agree.
I would like to know if it would be legal if you get permission from Telkom. In other words, ask them if it would be okay if you setup a link to your friend's place through wireless.
Cheers
Antowan
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If the previously disadvantage people can lay wires from the nearest substation so can we. The law in this country is up to crap so noting can happen to you.
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Civil disobedience of this kind just leads to anarchy and chaos - my late dad used to say 'Two wrongs don't make a right'...
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Here is an idea. Why don’t Security complex get there own private networks on and then they can connect to each other. The complexes has it own switches witch connect to the core switch witch in turn connect to the Internet and to other complexes. Like a giant campus network, and if u move to the flat in the complex u have an option to use it for a fee.
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And who says that security companies haven't already pursued this? Your idea is not new, and has been pursued already - but there wouldn't be much 'security' if this was made publicly known and available, now would there?
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He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
Nope - it would still be illegal, as Telkom have no mandate to issue authority for this to be provided by a 3rd party, as far as I'm aware. The only people who can do this is ICASA, so you would have to approach them for permission, stating clearly and motivating your case why you cannot make use of the services of the only two providers we have, viz. Telkom or Sentech, with full detail of the intended infrastructure...
armitage
20-01-2004, 03:01 PM
There is no chance is valhalla that telkom would give permission to u to use what is theirs by law unfortunately.
who cares though[:D]
baaaaah just wanna have a local mesh network that would b so sw337
New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh
AcidRaZor
20-01-2004, 03:51 PM
two rights make a left, so why won't two wrongs make a right? [:D]
Huh? Dunno about two rights making a left in directional terms: a left will cause you to go west, whereas with two rights you'll go south! Unless you're talking boxing - a good pugilist will make and deliver a good left hook with 2 right jabs! [:D][8D][:o)]
armitage
21-01-2004, 08:55 AM
rather than go normal internet routes how bout we all hook up with pigeons
i know this guy he can get really really fast ones an if u give him an extra tenner hell put some racing stripes on em.
then when we get em to fly between us delivering messages or data.
just imagine how fast itll be. plus u dont have a cap(a cap for your pigeon can be bought optionally for 2 rand a cap).[:D]
New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh
freeek
21-01-2004, 01:14 PM
SauRoN
"Does anybody know of a local company that actually sells 802.11 compatible Antenna's in the range of 15db and upwards ?"
if you ct I can get you one.
..- dot dot dash ;)
I was talking about Springbok Security I was talking about a complex with 25 flats were people stay inclosed in a 6 foot wall and barbwire.
I say Lets burn them
AcidRaZor
21-01-2004, 01:23 PM
sahara sells 14.5 dbi at 1700 ex vat
Anonymous Coward
25-06-2004, 02:26 PM
For Long raneg 802.11a/b/g, Check out
http://www.miro.co.za/
regardtv
25-06-2004, 02:31 PM
I too can recommend Miro. I got what I needed at a reasonable price and it WORKS ... unlike "MySmokeSignal"
R
hmmm, who cares if its illegal, what telkom is doing is an act against our right to have fast and cheap internet. The cost of doing anything here that requires a fast internet connection is way too high. ADSL is not the "best" me remember when telkom was pushing isdn as the newest technology, craps man isdn is crap old and adsl technology is also crap old, the crappest internet connection in europe and other places is adsl and it cost like 1% of our costs.
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armitage
29-07-2004, 12:48 PM
well i have seen some miro products and the only thing thats probably worth buying is the antenna and the waterproof box. u can pick up the AP for less at some of the local CPT distributors.
Is there anyone here in bellville in making also a wifi point and linking together???
Would be nice to do the internet access thing seeing as I also stay in a block of flats which makes that part of the idea legal.
Just imagine u had a whole suburb connected. I know in bellville there are a crap load of ppl who r lanners just like me and the change in lifestyle(cant believe it but i would lose even more of my social life) would be quite amazing. just imagine not having to wait for the weekend to play a game with ure buds on the lan.
Just have a central public domain where u can list ure games that u wanna play and ppl just join an go boss.
Or u could get ureself skype and use that to communicate with whoevers on the network.
Proud South african rip offs.
sykpe will really make telkom MAD, them main problem with telkom is the send of voice communication through non telscum lines. This is where they are protected by law. IE skype is the bain in telkoms side.
If you Love it let it go, if it comes back then it love you. If not hunt it down and kill it
armitage
29-07-2004, 02:27 PM
Well i dont know how well skype works on a normal network seeing as how it was designed to work on the internet.
But im sure lan speak an some other programs can be sufficient to the task.
the kewl thing bout the mesh nets are the omni/bi story were u can have (if u set it up properly) a local hotspot with an bi/directional antenna connecting to a different hotspot(sometimes almost 20-30 k's away). would be interesting to see how telkom would react to the threat of say ten hotspots each stretched over a 2km radius thats a crap load of residential ppl that can use their pc to communicate with the ppl that they know. an considering most ppl just phone locally to a ppl that live relative close to them that can seriously impact into telkom's revenue.
Though Telkom on the other hand is moving its business model more into data than normal telephony but the simple fact that for instance cape towns revenue gathered for normal fixed line rentals and call charges amount to like 300 rand one month would put a smile on myadsl forum member. and probaly the rest of the country
Proud South african rip offs.
well considering that the meshnet is very difficutl to take down, the antennas can be made to look like normal stuff on the roof and me thinks that many overlapping signals comming in from different directions is also had to pinpoint the main connection or source of the signal, and with the encryptin and key chemes on the wireless routers them sevles this makes eavs dropping also very difficult. AND having a court case against 10000ppl wont go dwon well with the judges in the courts.
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Cloud
30-07-2004, 03:58 AM
armitage, whereabouts in bellville are u? i'm near durbanville. Vygeboom to be exact.
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armitage
02-08-2004, 01:38 PM
Bloemhof just next to the N1 if u take bill bezuidenhout
Proud South african rip offs.
hmm, isnt Vygeboom in sonstraal, isnt there a hill in the way???. Does any one know if wi-fi is unlicensed or is there some sort of license attached. Cause unlicensed bands are unrestricted, ie the 27mhz band lets u send voice and even data" thou at a VERY slow rate", thus telscum CAN DO NOTHING TO U.........HAHAHA..........cause me thinks that the laws appling to this so abit vague. Also me thinks that the laws contradict one another.
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