Want to setup up small WISP in neighbourhood

schurtek

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I live on the side of hill that over looks a valley with a lots of houses... I been chatting to many of the residents and they are keen to buy bandwidth off me... not worried about speed... they only want to surf and email.

What is a really inexpensive way to do this... I have several old PCs that I can rape for servers.
 
Strictly speaking what you're planning is illegal since you'll be providing services over the network across property borders - I believe one needs a VANS license for this.

But since we live in RSA: you'll need a sector antenna mounted high up directed at your 'clients' with a PC running the internet connection etc.
 
Do you have the required icasa license to resell the broadband over wifi ? ECN/Vans ?
 
Strictly speaking what you're planning is illegal since you'll be providing services over the network across property borders - I believe one needs a VANS license for this.

But since we live in RSA: you'll need a sector antenna mounted high up directed at your 'clients' with a PC running the internet connection etc.

Actually, the law was ammended several years ago, it states that you are not allowed to run any form of communications across government lines.

The act was successfully argued in court that if a radio signal is a form of radiated energy, and the signal being transmitted was the message saying "HELLO" then surely waving at someone across the road was then illegal as light used so you can see said person waving was a form of radiated energy and the signal being transmitted is the message "HELLO".

This guy actually won, and it was then decreed that any form of radiated transmission had to be below a certain mW for it to be legal.

Now taking a standard wireless router that gives out said mW, and attaching a sectoral antenna would mean that most of the signal that was being radiated in all directions would be focused, as if using a magnifying glass with light... the focused signal would have more energy and thus travel further and more successfully.

This means I should be able to cover a large area with out breaking any laws.

Secondly, if I enter into an agreement with my ISP to share my bandwidth with my neighbors then I am in legal grounds there... infact I know for a fact my ISP won't mind... I own it.

Lastly, I enter into an agreement with the connectees that they are not buying into a service, but rather they are sharing an existing service, meaning they are paying for the bandwidth they use only... so technically I wouldn't be a WISP, more like a WUG that promotes the sharing of Internet Connections...
 
Interesting stuff...

...The act was successfully argued in court that if a radio signal is a form of radiated energy, and the signal being transmitted was the message saying "HELLO" then surely waving at someone across the road was then illegal as light used so you can see said person waving was a form of radiated energy and the signal being transmitted is the message "HELLO"....

Do you have any details regarding this case?
 
A friend of mine has the info somewhere, he showed it to me a while back... will ask him for that...
 
Lastly, I enter into an agreement with the connectees that they are not buying into a service, but rather they are sharing an existing service, meaning they are paying for the bandwidth they use only... so technically I wouldn't be a WISP, more like a WUG that promotes the sharing of Internet Connections...
The SA legal system works on the substance over form principle. i.e. You can write whatever you want into the contract, but if it is in substance a WISP then it will be treated as a WISP for legal purposes. You will therefore need all the necessary licenses etc to operate as a WISP.
 
so technically I wouldn't be a WISP
eh??? :sick:

You are going to be providing and Internet Service over a Wireless medium.... how is that NOT a WISP?? :confused:

Irrespective of the restrictions or lack there of regarding RF radiation under the new ECA - you still require a license (specifically an ECNS license) to operate any network for commercial gain.
 
You did not do your homework on the licensing....

Also if you read the documents concerning power output of the wireless device it says EIRP not ERP.. this means if your device if outputting 50mW(half the limit) any antenna over 3db would push it over 100mW EIRP... if your router is pushing 100mW (the limit) you can only attach a 0db antenna..

But that doesnt matter.. since you ARE NOT WAVING ACROSS THE ROAD TO YOUR FRIEND YOU ARE RUNNING A "ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS NETWORK" AND PROVIDING AND "ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS SERVICE".

Ohh.. funny joke:
Q: Whats the difference between a WISP owner and a bucket of sh*t.
A: The bucket!
 
Gee, seems people in this forum don't like Wireless Internet?

Well I won't be running the service for commercial gain... I will be offering it for the cost of the bandwidth... people must provide their own equipment. I won't be restrictriing the wireless network so people would be able to share files and play games as well....

This could be classed as a form of WUG with Internet Bandwidth made available.
 
Gee, seems people in this forum don't like Wireless Internet?
Nothing wrong with Wireless internet...but nowadays every idiot and his dog has a WISP so the spectrum is completely polluted. As a result many amp the signal to illegal levels thereby creating a vicious cycle. Half of the people don't even realize that they are work @ illegal levels.:rolleyes:

Add the fact that this forum regularly gets "I wanna be a WISP" posts, and then you'll see why your not being greeted with open arms.
 
I have spent the last 11 hours tweaking signal between two access points no more than 1km apart, but due to noise from amped wisp equipment, I cannot get it faster than 4kb/sec (it was previously around 2mB/sec)

This is the sort of effect that some wisps have on the spectrum.
 
As soon as you provide internet access, you need a VANS license.
As soon as you provide it over your own medium (your own copper/fibre/wireless), you need a ECNS license.
It doesn't matter if its free, non-profit, or commercial.
 
As soon as you provide internet access, you need a VANS license.
As soon as you provide it over your own medium (your own copper/fibre/wireless), you need a ECNS license.
It doesn't matter if its free, non-profit, or commercial.

What criminal court ruling are you referring to ? Its like with the fire-arms relicensing scam, everybody tells me you have to relicense your gun but nobody can refer me to the criminal test case that established such a precedent. Our legal regime works by test cases - where is the test case. :D
 
As soon as you provide internet access, you need a VANS license.
As soon as you provide it over your own medium (your own copper/fibre/wireless), you need a ECNS license.
It doesn't matter if its free, non-profit, or commercial.

Please practice what you preach...

How can we have 2 similar networks, where one is connected to the internet, and the other not, then one is illegal and the other is legal? Sorry I am a bit confused here... Where is this law that says as soon as the internet is involved, the law is different?

I understand the issues that you have. But to say that some may and others may not, that means we are back in the dark ages.

As I see it: As soon as you have internet access on your wug, you will take money from telkom, thus telkom/icasa will take you to court. If you do not have internet access on your wug, that means all the wuggers will still need to use telkom as well, so everyone is happy (even though you are still not legal).

My 2c
 
Fair enough... I fully disagree with people who commit WiFi Pollution, and I reckon that ICASA should be focusing their energy on people who decide to hog up multiple channels in the band.

A local WISP in my area, who has a ECNS from ICASA is using 11 channels per sector... this becomes annoying for me, when I have to go install a wireless network near to one of his highspots, as he interferes with my installation.

We have run snorts on his network, and most of the channels have hardly any traffic on them... it's as if he's trying to stop other people from using them.
 
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