Emigration Destination discussions: UK, Canada, Aus, NZ, US

Nom Chompsky

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Ok so the above destinations are the most popular for South Africans fed-up (justifiably so) with the current situation.

Now I'd like to know some information on any of these destinations:

Information like cost of living, ease of getting a job, student life, security, weather, taxes etc. Generally anything that would be of use to a person looking to emigrate.

I know I haven't reached uni yet, but I can't see this country going any other way :sick:
 
Ok so the above destinations are the most popular for South Africans fed-up (justifiably so) with the current situation.

Well those destinations speak English (mostly) barring French and Spanish too.

Otherwise you can get into France by going on holiday there with your
wife and having your baby born in Fr, gives the child and you
automatic French citizenship. Its something which is abused by
migrants from less developed nations so it may end soon.
 
Ok so the above destinations are the most popular for South Africans fed-up (justifiably so) with the current situation.

Now I'd like to know some information on any of these destinations:

Information like cost of living, ease of getting a job, student life, security, weather, taxes etc. Generally anything that would be of use to a person looking to emigrate.

I know I haven't reached uni yet, but I can't see this country going any other way :sick:

I have over the past few weeks been investigating relocating to UK and working there. I have an SA passport so it aint easy. But as I qualify for Permit Free Employment (theoretically anyway) I though I'd give it a go. Until I found out that should my application be turned down for whatever reason, I would in future need to apply for a visa even to visit my daughter who lives there, on holiday. And having then been turned down, it is unlikely that such a visa would be granted. Don't want to risk not being able to visit the daughter, so have shelved the whole idea of living and working there. Yet I guess it won't be long before us saffers will be needing a visa to visit there anyway.:(
 
my parents were born in the uk and have lived in SA for around 30 years now. They went back just over a month ago to visit the family, and they couldnt wait to get back. They said that the UK is not a great place to be. Its awesome if you are loaded and can afford to live in a decent area(ie, in the country, by the sea), but for your average person, the UK isnt as great as it is made out to be.
 
my parents were born in the uk and have lived in SA for around 30 years now. They went back just over a month ago to visit the family, and they couldnt wait to get back. They said that the UK is not a great place to be. Its awesome if you are loaded and can afford to live in a decent area(ie, in the country, by the sea), but for your average person, the UK isnt as great as it is made out to be.

Frankly the Gaza strip would be preferable to this place right now. And its only going to get worse.
 
Forget about UK. It is the worst place to live : stress, violence (less than SA but high for a place in Europe), weather, education....
You can get a good salary here but, hum, it is definitely not a place to live.

Australia seems to be fun and good even if I did not go here yet. My friends who left France for Australia are now happy. New Zealand is so so as far as I know (wet weather, poor jobs...).
Please forget about France as well, the economic situation is disastrous and we don't see any brighter future.

Norway, Finland, Ireland, Poland also and may be Hungary, Croatia and Slovenia are good places to live
 
The wife and I are seriously looking at Switzerland. Great money in IT there. My wife says they do a half decent chocolate too. :D
 
My dad has probably been in 40+ different countries and he told me Aus was the best.

Closest to our culture, great weather and great public service.
 
I have a whole bunch of friends who left for NZ and are happy there. My one friend has been living there for more than 2 years now and is marrying a Kiwi later this year. My other friend and his wife moved there a few months back and they honestly think it's the best move they've ever made. Quality of life is much better according to them. Never been there myself.

Lived in Belgium for a year. Was in London three times and liked it a lot. One of my friends lived in London for a year and wants to go back. My cousin and his wife moved there a few years back and have never looked back. One of my colleagues moved there last year and she claims she wouldn't come back for anything.

I also have family in Ireland, who can't get enough of the place and have been living there for years.

From personal experience I wouldn't recommend living in either France or Belgium if you're not willing to learn their language. They're not very foreigner friendly.

I also know a person who had worked in Australia for 2 years and only came back for his wife. He says if he could go back he would. He say's Aussie is SA minus the violence and crime, plus cleaner and better managed.

Anyway, so in summary: London, Auckland, Dublin and Perth are all good from what I've heard and experienced. France, Canada and other Western European nations aren't that great if you're not into culture shock.
 
my parents were born in the uk and have lived in SA for around 30 years now. They went back just over a month ago to visit the family, and they couldnt wait to get back. They said that the UK is not a great place to be. Its awesome if you are loaded and can afford to live in a decent area(ie, in the country, by the sea), but for your average person, the UK isnt as great as it is made out to be.


It can be a bit dodgy, but there's lots of cash to be earned.
 
UK: horrible weather, farking expensive
Canada: freezing weather, lonely
Aus: double-farking expensive
NZ: boring, nothing special about it
US: culture shock, farking difficult to get in (Visa, permits, etc)

Why not try Cape Town? Has none of the above!
 
Skinner, you always making out as if Cape Town is this place where crime simply does not exist, and its paradise on earth. Cape Town is still part of South Africa and it suffers from the same problems as the rest of the country, lousy public service (been to home affairs or any municipal office lately), no public transport, arrogant taxi drivers (Ever driven on the N1/N2 during peak hour traffic?), sprawling squatter camps with rampage crime, Eskom problems, public violence, racisim, general disrespect for the law, AA in the workplace (no promotions) etc etc.. Before I go any further, I lived in Cape Town and have since moved to NZ because of all of its problems, including out of control crime.

As for violent crime in Cape Town, does the name Brett Goldin ring any bells? He was hijacked after leaving Camps Bay and executed. The reason this made the news was probably only because he was a celebrity. Camps Bay is very safe!
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2118546,00.html

Yes crime is lower in Cape Town than the rest of the country in certain places, but its ridiculously high (A few places on the Atlantic seaboard where you can still be relatively safe (Camps Bay?) and even at times you can believe you are living in a first world country). Next time you drive past the Camps Bay police station, have a look at the sign on the front gate, ADT Armed response. That says a lot. I have three daughters, could I ever drop them off for a day at the beach by themselves? Would I let them go hiking by themselves in the beautiful mountains? Let them walk to school, ride bicycle down the road to the corner shop, drop them off for a day at Canal Walk shopping centre? The VNA Waterfront? No to all of those questions, Cape Town as beautiful as it is cannot be enjoyed. You are still left with the worry about the safety of your family. Wife taking the kids somewhere, breaking down in a bad area!!!??? If you live in CT, you cannot avoid those areas, you still have to drive through them. I shudder to think what would have happened to my daughters when they reached the age of going out at night, partying and enjoying life as teenagers should. What’s the use of depriving them of that? There is no way we would have allowed them out by themselves at night. Our kids now enjoy all of those things we were depriving them of in “safe” Cape Town.

I was an active member with neighbourhood watch in CT, was out every second weekend at ghastly hours just to protect the family and make our suburb a little safer! Why should I be doing that, why live in a country where the government cannot even provide safety for its own citizens? Even while doing neighbourhood watch, when on patrol I would fear for my families safety while I was just on the other side of the neighbourhood. As for some of my experiences in neighbourhood watch in Cape Town, I have seen it all. Decided to give it up when shots were fired during a chase of some suspected criminals. The neighbourhood watch cars, our own cars, started becoming targets while on patrol! We were putting ourselves at risk simply by patrolling the streets and trying to make them safer for everyone. We even had some guys handed over to the SAPS, next day they out walking the same streets again, doing their same ****. The SAPS would never come and help if we alerted them of possible suspects, same old excuses as everywhere else, no car, no petrol etc etc.

My own personal experience with crime in Cape Town, had the car broken into a few times, house broken into while we were sleeping. The buggers came through my daughter’s bedroom window while we were all sleeping. A stroke of luck on that night, daughter slept in our bedroom, something she only does very rarely. We decided to get the hell out, the camels back was now broken, It was no longer a case of “if it should happen to us”, it was “when is it going to happen to us?” We decided to not stick around and wait for that dreadful day. Stuff everyone that calls us cowards, or whatever you like. Once you have a family of your own, the future looks very bleak in SA, no matter if you staying in Cape Town or Boksburg, it’s the same. The safety of your family and their future in a normal society becomes top priority.
 
Australia is the last frontier for saffas.You go to UAE to make money .Uk probally the easiest ,US the hardest.Australia you need a degree at least like almost any country you want to go to now these days (other than sa,cause then the less money you have the better like 3 million zimbos)


The thing about cape town is that not alot of the money here is local .Alot is foreign living the life.
 
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