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http://www.mg.co.za/printformat/single/2008-08-05-texas-execution-plan-defies-hague-order

Texas execution plan defies Hague order
SUZANNE GOLDENBERG | WASHINGTON, UNITED STATES - Aug 05 2008 07:06
Officials in Texas defied the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Monday night to affirm the scheduled execution on Tuesday of a Mexican national at the centre of a global legal row.

The state's board of parole and corrections rejected a last-minute appeal from lawyers for José Medellín. He is now scheduled to be put to death at 6pm local time despite an order from the court at The Hague to halt his execution.

Legal experts and human rights organisations said the execution would be seen as an act of defiance of international law after a ruling from the ICJ that Medellín was denied his right to consult with Mexican embassy officials during his trial.

"US respect for international law might be further damaged by this execution," said Brian Evans, of Amnesty International.

"We are deeply disappointed with this recommendation from the board of pardons and paroles," said Donald Francis Donovan, of Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, counsel to Medellín. "The board has failed to support the United States in fulfilling its international legal obligations. The board's action ... risks the safety of thousands of Americans travelling and living abroad."

Katharine Huffman, a spokesperson for Medellín's legal team, said the case was being monitored by the international community. "The failure on the part of the US could have very serious implications for our relationship with Mexico as well as other nations," she said.

But the Governor of Texas, Rick Perry, has repeatedly indicated the execution would go ahead. Texas has the most active death chamber in the US.

"The [ICJ] has no jurisdiction here in Texas. We're concerned about following Texas law and that's what we're doing," a spokesperson for Perry said.

Medellín has spent most of his adult life on death row after he was convicted in the 1993 gang rape and murders of two teenage girls.

His hopes now rest on the US Supreme Court. His lawyers had asked the board for a 240-day stay of execution to give Congress time to enact legislation that would spare him.

A Bill now before Congress would compel Texas and other states to comply with international treaties guaranteeing foreign nationals on trial the right to consult officials from their home countries.

Medellín is the first of 51 Mexicans on death row in the US whose cases have become an embarrassment for the Bush administration.

In a 2004 ruling, the ICJ ordered the courts to grant a review of their cases, and President George Bush earlier this year urged the authorities in Texas to revisit Medellín's case. But the Supreme Court ruled that the president had overstepped his authority.

Last month the ICJ ordered the US to "take all measures necessary" to block Medellín's execution. Huffman warned that the US could still be in conflict with the court until the cases of the other 50 Mexican nationals on death row are resolved. -- guardian.co.uk © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2008

But the US wants Zim, Iran etc to adhere to international law ?

Another finger flip to the world.
 
Americans are disliked because Texas blew a fat raspberry at The Hague? :rolleyes:
 
Daveza, I hope you don't object if I gently point out to you that a bunch of pale European jurists sitting in the Hague does not have any jurisdiction in Texas. This is not international law. (I've done a course in Public International Law at Wits under Prof John Dugard, so I do have some knowledge of this subject). The author of the article and the self-righteous Amnesty International spokeperson seem equally ignorant.

According to the best of my knowledge it is the law of Texas and the United States that applies in Texas. A millisecond's research will probably confirm that almost every other country has similar rules of jurisdiction.

With silly claims as those in the article above, is it any wonder so many anti-American journalists are probably the most ignorant people on the planet. The sad truth is that they peddle their nonsense in the mass media that others lap up without engaging a brain cell.
 
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No, The US is disliked because they are a law unto themselves, but want to impose their will on everyone else.

There are 15 international judges on the ICJ -one of them is American. Yet the US does not recognise the courts authority. Go figure.
 
No I don't object - that's what the forum is for - debate.

I will comment though that a milliseconds research will show that only 4 of the 15 judges are pale Europeans - UK, Germany, France and Slovakia.

The other 12 judges are from the US, Jordan, Madagascar, Russia, China, Sierra Leone, Venezuela, Japan, New Zealand, Mexico and Morocco.
 
No, The US is disliked because they are a law unto themselves, but want to impose their will on everyone else.

There are 15 international judges on the ICJ -one of them is American. Yet the US does not recognise the courts authority. Go figure.

Every heard the phrase "a government of laws and not of men".

Because the USA figured that out 232 years ago and enshrined it in their polity they are the most successful, powerful, productive, creative, compassionate, innovative, generous people in history.

You can dislike them if you want. It says more about you than it does about them

And no, I'm not American, nor married to one, nor in any way related to an American. Just a lover of liberty.
 
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Because the USA figured that out 232 years ago and enshrined it in their polity they are the most successful, powerful, productive, creative, compassionate, innovative, generous people in history.

Only because of the Arabs, and if you think they are compassionate and generous because your wife might be, go and see for yourself.

Catch a wake up before making BS comments like this.
 
Because the USA figured that out 232 years ago and enshrined it in their polity they are the most successful, powerful, productive, creative, compassionate, innovative, generous people in history.


And no, I'm not American, nor married to one, nor in any way related to an American. Just a lover of liberty.

Compassion and liberty go together well with Guantanamo and detention without trial.

Most innovative and productive today ? I really doubt that.
 
Huh?


I also suffered from your delusions until I started travelling and reading history. Yawn.

I got residence in US(Atlanta, Georgia), i literally know how the people are. Carry on reading your books if you wish ...
 
Seems there is a certain sensitivity in criticising/bashing the US - and apparently little middle ground . You either luv em or hate em, same as the Israeli/Palestinian discussions.

But the US are masters at bashing the world when it does not conform to its views.

If they can dish it out I'm sure they can withstand a few flames on a forum.

The point is simply, they bow to no-one and insist everyone bows to them.

How can that be acceptable behaviour to anyone ?

And we are appalled when Mugabe tells the west to mind their own business !
 
No I don't object - that's what the forum is for - debate.

I will comment though that a milliseconds research will show that only 4 of the 15 judges are pale Europeans - UK, Germany, France and Slovakia.

The other 12 judges are from the US, Jordan, Madagascar, Russia, China, Sierra Leone, Venezuela, Japan, New Zealand, Mexico and Morocco.

So you're saying that Russia is not chiefly made up of caucasians (pale)
and is not in Europe? NZ - is the judge aboriginal?
 
Compassion and liberty go together well with Guantanamo and detention without trial.
Sometimes they do, mate.

A free society must protect itelf from the enemies of freedom, and sometimes this requires exceptional means, which never sit comfortably but the avoidance of which leads to greater evil. That's why the Nazi warmongers were detained without trial until the Tribunal could be convoked.

Besides, we all know how Americans anguish over the necessity of detaining those Taliban fighters. And what were the 'Students' defending? Not freedom, or at least not the recognisable kind that distinguishes itself from from slavery. They wanted the the freedom to enslave women, ban education and driving for females, force men to wear beards (and imprison those who don't), and to impose the death sentence on anyone who chooses a religion other than theirs. Some freedom! You can have it, just not here.

They made the mistake of siding with Osama when his jihadists flew aeroplanes into buildings, killing thousands. Allah be praised that America freed Afghanistan.
 
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Sometimes they do, mate.

A free society must protect itelf from the enemies of freedom, and sometimes this requires exceptional means, which never sit comfortably but the avoidance of which leads to greater evil. That's why the Nazi warmongers were detained without trial until the Tribunal could be convoked.

Besides, we all know how Americans anguish over the necessity of detaining those Taliban fighters. And what were the 'Students' defending? Not freedom, or at least not the recognisable kind that is distinguishes itself from from slavery. They wanted the the freedom to enslave women, ban education and driving for females, force men to wear beards (and imprison those who don't), and to impose the death sentence on anyone who chooses a religion other than theirs. Some freedom! You can have it, just not here.

You not reading enough books dude, but you dont need books to know that USA are the ones who made up the Taliban, how do you think they (Taliban) destroyed the Soviet ? *sigh*

They made the mistake of siding with Osama when his jihadists flew aeroplanes into buildings, killing thousands. Allah be praised that America freed Afghanistan.

ROFL ! looks like the histroy books didnt help with your delusions.
 
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With silly claims as those in the article above, is it any wonder so many anti-American journalists are probably the most ignorant people on the planet. The sad truth is that they peddle their nonsense in the mass media that others lap up without engaging a brain cell.

Well said

Americans are disliked because Texas blew a fat raspberry at The Hague? :rolleyes:

Yeah seems so

:D

No, The US is disliked because they are a law unto themselves, but want to impose their will on everyone else.

Yeah shame poor despots like Ahemi, Saddam and co

Ain't it funny how certain people complain about the U.S bullying despots and the 'New world order' blah blah blah but when a bunch of chums at the Hague tries to enforce their will on Texas (just a U.S state) they bitch and complain not at the chums but surprise, suprise it's the Americans in the firing line yet again :rolleyes:
 
So you're saying that Russia is not chiefly made up of caucasians (pale)
and is not in Europe? NZ - is the judge aboriginal?

Eu·ro·pe·an (yr-pn)
n.
1. A native or inhabitant of Europe.

The words were pale europeans - it's only in South Africa where we used the word to mean white skinned. There are thousands of black Europeans.
 
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