Free web calls illegal - Telkom

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Please note the reference to "Skype" (effectively blocked by Telkom due to port prioritisation)

and the last paragraph [:D]


<b>Free web calls illegal - Telkom </b>

23/03/2004 16:59 - (SA)
http://www.finance24.co.za/Finance/Companies/0,,1518-24_1502194,00.html

Johannesburg - Telkom did not believe software providing free international telephone calls on the internet would impact on its revenue, a spokesperson said on Tuesday.
"We are more concerned from a legal and regulatory perspective," said Andrew Weldrick, Telkom spokesperson.

"It is illegal. Licence rights need to be protected and Telkom remains the only licensed telecommunications service system provider in South Africa," said Weldrick.

He said Telkom had for several years been aware of the existence of internet software that allowed users to bypass the Telkom network and make free telephone calls. So far, however, Telkom had done nothing about it.

"It is difficult to prove," said Weldrick. "Ultimately it is up to the regulator to enforce the regulation."

He said in order for something to get done Telkom would have to investigate the situation, find evidence that people were illegally making use of "network bypass" software, and file a complaint with the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (Icasa).

"Icasa would then pick it up." he said.

He said Telkom had yet to decide whether to take these steps.

The extent to which people in South Africa are using this software is unknown.

Experts are reported to estimate that thousands of South Africans have downloaded the new Skype software program (www.skype.com), which allows people to make international calls from the internet at no extra cost.

The only cost involved is allowing your computer to become part of the peer-to-peer network that allows the system to function.

As with the copyright issues which emerged a few years ago around distributing music on the internet, the current telecommunications legislation, developed before "network bypass" became a possibility, is ill equipped to deal with the new situation.

At present the Telecommunications Act of 1996 gives Telkom (and the second network operator when they come in) exclusive rights to international telephone traffic.

Future legal amendments could address the problem of network bypass, said Weldrick, but he agreed that, except from making such activities legal, <b>there was little that could be done from a legal perspective to help Telkom to enforce its rights.</b>


Edited by Mahap Msiza


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faaaak 'em! [}:)]

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Just imagine where SA would be now if it weren't for Telkom
 
doesn't the legislation say that you must use ( atm ) telskum lines and if you are then it's legal? Well, if that is the case then using skype is not illegal as ... we're all using telskum lines to connect to the internet.

not sure if this is correct though.
 
Doesn't Sentech have a license to provide voice over IP? Then we can all use it on myWireless without problems.
 
Hey! TELKOM /ICASA I've got two tin cans and a LONG piece of string - come and get me!
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by asmith</i>
<br />Doesn't Sentech have a license to provide voice over IP? Then we can all use it on myWireless without problems.
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Telkom also has a license to use voip [:)]
 
It doesn't really matter what Telkom says as the technology is far too important to ignore. Negating the technology purely on legalities is as foolish as putting square wheels on your car.

Why should we avoid using technology which is cheaper, better and more liberating just because it tramples on some entity's right to make money from older technology? The whole debate is extremely tedious to me and if government was at all as adept to technology and its promises for the future then we would have all had fiber optic internet connections in every house and every shanty in this country by now...

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Antowan


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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by antowan</i>
<br />It doesn't really matter what Telkom says as the technology is far too important to ignore. Negating the technology purely on legalities is as foolish as putting square wheels on your car.

Why should we avoid using technology which is cheaper, better and more liberating just because it tramples on some entity's right to make money from older technology? The whole debate is extremely tedious to me and if government was at all as adept to technology and its promises for the future then we would have all had fiber optic internet connections in every house and every shanty in this country by now...

Regards
Antowan


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Well said!
 
Wish Skype had a single frame per minute video function.

Light on bandwidth - and no longer a TELEPHONE call but a multimedia conversation :-)



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'At present the Telecommunications Act of 1996 gives Telkom (and the second network operator when they come in) exclusive rights to international telephone traffic. '
- skype is not telephone traffic - it's voip datatraffic - so how can it be illegal?
 
reech, you're bull****ting. VoIP is defined as telephony in every country I know. Don't grasp at straws.

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/36542.html

"Skype is not telephony since it does not provide telephony calls between public telephones and it is not using the public telephone numbering plan.

"Both EU and US have recognised that Skype is not telephony, therefore Skype does not fall under the South African telecom monopoly law," he said.
 
Jerrek - I'm certainly not grasping at straws - please see my previous post here &gt; http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1872 and give this article a read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/36542.html - and even if it were telephony it could still be argued that it's carried over a private network - ie encrypted pipe between 2 parties - and yes telkom is the only licensed provider but with skype there is no 'provider' as such - due to the distributed nature of it. To continue I don't know where the term 'network bypass' came from but it's a misnomer - telkom doesn't operate a voip network so it can't be bypassed - monopoly bypass might be more accurate.
 
Main Entry: te·le·pho·ny
Pronunciation: t&-'le-f&-nE also 'te-l&-"fO-
Function: noun
: the use or operation of an apparatus for transmission of sounds between widely removed points with or without connecting wires


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If only the world functioned by dictionary definitions.

Citing a dictionary meaning of a word is certainly grasping at straws, perhaps one should rather be looking at societal definition rather than literal definition.
 
Jerrek - Wouldn't you need a telephone for it to constitute telephony?
'the use or operation of an apparatus for transmission of sounds between widely removed points with or without connecting wires' - this could encompass two way radio, pa systems , tin cans and string, and seems a bit vague.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by reech</i>
<br />Jerrek - Wouldn't you need a telephone for it to constitute telephony?
'the use or operation of an apparatus for transmission of sounds between widely removed points with or without connecting wires' - this could encompass two way radio, pa systems , tin cans and string, and seems a bit vague.
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But not a computer?

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by reech</i>
<br />... and even if it were telephony it could still be argued that it's carried over a private network - ie encrypted pipe between 2 parties<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

By definition, if it is between two parties it is not a private network anymore.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by reech</i>
<br />Jerrek - Wouldn't you need a telephone for it to constitute telephony?
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The issue is whether the traffic represents voice: whether a telephone of sorts is used or whether the voice is transported over IP is not material. Transmission of voice is a regulated.
 
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