Barbara Hogan MEC of Health

Well like you said we will have to wait and see... I just hope she isn't worse than Beetroot.:eek:
 
Hopefully she'll start by doing financial audits on all hospitals, as I'm not convinced that they are spending money where it should be spent.
 
Hopefully she'll start by doing financial audits on all hospitals, as I'm not convinced that they are spending money where it should be spent.

+1, I am sure they are not spending the money on what it is suppose to be spent on....:mad:
 
Correction there Pitbull, she isn't an MEC (as your title says) she's a Minister.

MEC stands for Member of Executive Council. It's a provincial title. So for example, if I was the head of Health in Gauteng, I'd be referred to as Gauteng Provincial Health MEC HypoThesis (:D)
 
Correction there Pitbull, she isn't an MEC (as your title says) she's a Minister.

MEC stands for Member of Executive Council. It's a provincial title. So for example, if I was the head of Health in Gauteng, I'd be referred to as Health MEC HypoThesis (:D)

ouch,

ok ok. She is the big chief in charge of health :p
 
Mmm. We'll have to wait and see what Ms Hogan brings to the table. I can't possibly judge her today on the extremely collectivist views she held 30 years ago, and she certainly wasn't to be drawn on private and public healthcare in that interview ... Though possibly a competent manager, she'll only be as effective as the massive Health Dept bureaucracy allows her to be (and who knows if anyone can sort that out in 20 years?). Her failure to be reassuring on private health care's role is disappointing, though understandable at this early juncture.
 
Hence some truth in my statement earlier this week where I said that being a criminal puts you firmly on the path into SA government.

"Criminal"? So I take it you see Nelson Mandela as a criminal too?

They were jailed for supporting liberation movements.

**Sigh**
 
What was Hogan in prision for though?

Barbara Hogan joined the African National Congress shortly after the 1976 Uprisings, once the organisation had been declared illegal and had moved its activities underground. Her responsibilities in this movement were to mobilise the white political left, participation in public political campaigning and supplying the ANC underground in Botswana with information about trade union and community activity in South Africa. Hogan was detained in 1982 for ‘furthering the aims of a banned organisation’ and after being interrogated, ill-treated and held in solitary confinement for one year, she was found guilty of high treason and sentenced to ten years in gaol. Hogan was released in 1990 with the unbanning of outlawed organisations and together with other political prisoners, most notably Nelson Mandela.

- From the South African History Archive
 
"Criminal"? So I take it you see Nelson Mandela as a criminal too?

They were jailed for supporting liberation movements.

**Sigh**

And some of them for killing innocent children and woman. I'll reserve my judgment on this one. Let's see if she accomplishes anything in the next year.
 
- From the South African History Archive
I'm all for liberation, but it depends what sort of liberation movement you're supporting.

Opposing racial discrimination such as apartheid is good, because racial discrimination is instrinsically wrong and egregious obstacles to human freedom are worth opposing. (Disclosure: both my wife and I have been detained without trial by the previous regime.)

However, opposing apartheid because it's a form of capitalism, say, because you believe the free-market is the world's greatest evil and to be opposed at all costs (as more than a few of my peers in the 70s and 80s did), is, er, somewhat more debatable. People who work to liberate people from the horrors of the market economy (like Cde Pol Pot) are not all to be unequivocally supported, even if other elements of their struggle are just (such as the battle against colonialism), I would argue.

Like about 99.9999999999999999% of humanity, those who worked in and supported the liberation struggle against apartheid had a mixture of motives, methods and motivations. Sweeping statements such as "s/he fought in/supported the struggle against racism/apartheid" are just not granular enough to canonise or excommunicate anyone, and are not infrequently invoked to kill debate. Of more immediate interest is what the liberator seeks to replace the unjust system with - for example, where are they on the spectrum between a proletarian/peasant/workers' socialist paradise or unbridled capitalism/anarchism?

As I said, I'm all for those who opposed apartheid, and laud those who spent time incarcerated for their struggle. But we need to be much more careful when it comes to precisely what sort of violence was used against what sorts of targets, and what sort of system is proposed as the replacement.

I would be disingenuous if I did not confess to more than a little nervousness about the intended direction of the incoming cadres now being deployed by the post-coup ANC.
 
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