When will the economy recover from this huge dip?

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A while ago I started investing in Satrix 40, and with the recent dip my money is worth almost half. But apart from what my investment is worth now, how long do you guys think it will take for shares overall to recover? Months, years?
 
America is in Recession, so it might be a while...

There was this competition on at sanlam a while ago and i started at a mnus :eek:

and just couldn't get up, maybe i'm just stupid with stocks :p

Edit: Oh and i would never invest in the satrix... but thats just me...
 
The reply I get is one year to a year and six months...
 
I say it will take about 5 years. If you want to take a long term view, there are some good shares to pick up at a nice discount right now. That's however assuming that we have seen the last of the major corrections! The problem is that nobody can predict whats going to happen. If you did, you could have shorted the market till you had a pile of money like Scrooge McDuck.

These are unprecedented times. The world has never ever seen economic fallout like this before. Don't know what it is now, but a while back the russian stock exchange had a volatility rating of like 90%, that means any share price on the market could in a single day change by up to 90% of its value. In China, approximately 50% of the combined wealth of the upper end of the society is no longer there. The Vix is at levels never seen before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIX
 
2 years before we start noticing some recovery... 5 years till we are all smiling again. 15-20 years before we make mistakes again and the economy breaks one more time. Less than 100 years until we discover how to make a replicator.. and money becomes useless... and humans really grow.
 
2 years before we start noticing some recovery... 5 years till we are all smiling again. 15-20 years before we make mistakes again and the economy breaks one more time. Less than 100 years until we discover how to make a replicator.. and money becomes useless... and humans really grow.

Agreed, and that is if we are going to be lucky as we have not even reached the bottom as yet.
 
well imo we are "economically" about 6-8months behind the UK, and they have not reached bottom yet....

...but these things take time, so i would say late 2010 or early 2011...for them
 
Oh and i would never invest in the satrix... but thats just me...
Mind giving a reason?

Thanks to all the replies. So bottom line is, it ain't going to be early next year.:( But I guess thats how people learn. And you think the long recovering also apply to the satrix 40? I'm still learning how to "read" these things. Maybe some day I'll understand.
 
I found their "brokerage" costs too high, aswell as that you invest in specific shares and don't really have as much choice as for instance Sanlam or Standard Bank.
 
All share up a whopping 6.74% today (1279pts), that's massive and yesterday it was up around 5% but over all still low at 20 263pts...
 
Well jacqvt you probably made around 5% on your investment yesterday alone as the Top40 ended the day 5.77% higher....

Remember taking your money out now turns a paper loss into a real loss.... and your chances of missing the recovery are good!
 
I am a complete n00b at this stock stuff.

I have tried and tried, but I cannot make any sense out of what's happening, I have read all the stuff regarding the resale of debtors books that basically stacked the crumble, but, I cannot for the life of me understand how this affects our shares.

I tried to do some predictions and was wrong 70% of the time, which is a disastrous ratio.

I did notice that the rand/dollar is affected quite quickly by overseas investors retrieving their money back from our shares, but .. I cannot actually find out where these shares were sold from, as there seems to be a sudden spate of opportunistic buying straight after the sale.

But, I cannot see who is doing the opportunistic buying, specifically, which currency.

I wonder if the JSE is designed to be this non-transparent on purpose ...

Anywayz .. Pure speculation : I recon that our shares are changing ownership from one country to another superfast, and that there is a distinct possibility that the country behind the initial crumble is the one ending up owning most of everything.

How does this affect me? I don't think that the process is finished yet, as there is still too many overvalued shares out there that can be exposed to force a sudden selling panic (in the morning) and then of course the quick buyback.

If I was in front of the queue on the floor at the JSE I would wait for a bulk sale and immediately snap up those shares just before the the buyback arrives, which seems to be in the afternoon.

But, it's not possible for me to be first in the queue, so all that's left is the leftover unwanted bits and pieces after the price of the share has re-settled.

So, sit and wait says I, unless you can be on the floor in the action, in which case ... make your own conclusions, and share them with us .. :D
 
well imo we are "economically" about 6-8months behind the UK, and they have not reached bottom yet....

...but these things take time, so i would say late 2010 or early 2011...for them

Emerging markets are more (although to a lesser degree in recent times) dependant on the American consumer, and the knock on effect they have on the global economy, than the UK. If China continues to grow we will also benefit from that from a resources perspective. Of course their growth is also linked to American consumerism and demand for goods. To link our recovery to the UK alone is not accurate in my opinion.
 
Stoke, everything is linked to supply and demand. If demand for something drops, or supply increases, then the price of it will be lower. A real simplification of things but economics boils down to supply and demand! ;)

When those overseas investors took their money back home, there was all of a sudden a great supply and low demand, so prices dropped....
 
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Remember taking your money out now turns a paper loss into a real loss.... and your chances of missing the recovery are good!

Yep, putting your money into cash / bonds now will be hard not to do.
But then u take the loss, and you never get your money back.

paper loss - the key words there.
 
Aye LancelotSA, what about hype and speculation and sheer panic, and also, being forced to sell cos suddenly you are broke.

But, besides that, but, who is the buyer?

It's not like we have the capital just lying around here in this country to lap up these incredible fantastic deals suddenly on offer then an American sells R5bn worth of shares in an attempt to cover his own sudden loss.

If you can work out who the buyer is, you can probably weasel your way into predicting who will be selling huge chunks next, and dump your shares in that now, and then jump on the bandwagon at 13H00 to ride the afternoon increase with the same money .. of course .. commission and charges must be carefully watched.
 
A bit of advice - unless you have a good income, and can afford to write the money off, don't play the stock market.
 
Regarding how long it will take to recover, some interesting facts (but bear in mind their is no precedent for what is currently happening in world markets but still of interest) :

Black Monday, October 19th 1987
Dow Jones lost 22.6% in one day and a further 18% the next

How long did it take to recover?
It took just under 2 years to recover, but 1987 itself was still a positive year for the index



9/11, September 11th, 2001
NYSE closed for 4 trading days (longest closure in history)
Dow Jones lost just under 7% in that time and declined a further 6,5% in the days after it re-opened

How long did it take to recover?
Recovered to pre-9/11 levels by mid-November. The JSE recovered in 8 days.


Something else to look at and ponder.....

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Yes, there are dips but the overall trend should always be up! :)
 
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