Help sue Telkom fund, public protests, and such...

podo

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In light if the recent events regarding Hellkom, and Telkom's spurious threat of legal action against its creator, Gregg Stirton (a.k.a. MaD), I would like to call on all forum members to help take action.

I would like to propose that we set up an account under the auspices of MyADSL, specifically for handling donations that go to helping forum members defend themselves against legal action brought against them due to Telkom (or Sentech) slamming activities, and to fund logistics for a wider campaign of public dissatisfaction, including legal protest marches at appropriate times and places.

There is a great financial case for this. For instance, if we could get 2 000 donations of as little as R100, we would already have R200 000 to help people like MaD and TheRodent defend themselves against this sort of injustice, and to print large posters for display at our public demonstrations.

I further want to propose a plan of action for general public demonstrations, to help bring media attention to the problem and to let the public, and the government, know about the issues at hand. With the MyADSL membership growing steadily, I am certain we would be able to find more than enough people to demonstrate. Of course, I am not advocating anything illegal or uncivilized. We would always co-ordinate our actions with police and local municipalities, gain the appropriate permits, and so forth, to make sure we remain on the right side of the law.

Demonstrations can be organized at important events where we might receive the best media attention, for instance, in front of a court where legal action is being taken by, or against, one of our members, or, in front of trade conferences, at telecommunications expos, in front of parliament when they are discussing telecommunications, in front of courts where the S.N.O. issue is being decided, in front of Telkom head offices, etc. With the kind of national membership we have, I can even envisage simultaneous demonstrations around the country, for instance, a large group in front of Telkom's Pretoria offices, a large group in front of their Cape Town offices and another large group at ICASA's head office, all at the same time. You won't get a much louder message than that.

As I have suggested in the thread regarding the threats against MaD, we might also want to enlist the help of others for all of these demonstrations. The general public, if interested in telecommunications issues, are welcome to attend. I would also want to invite telecommunications advocacy groups, representatives from large business, free speech groups, where applicable, and trade unions who's members are affected by Telkom's current policy. A set of large, co-ordinated actions involving forum members and all of these groups will really serve to drive our message home.

An excellent case in point for this is the 2002 Civil Disobedience Campaign undertaken by the T.A.C. to force government to provide anti-retroviral drugs to H.I.V. positive mothers. I am aware that our cause is not nearly as noble as that which the T.A.C. had to fight for, but they did win, eventually, and so can we.

Willie Viljoen
Web Developer

Adaptive Web Development
 
R500.00 here.

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im in ... the more the better ...

i sugest a 50-100R/month contribution after the initial startup ...
 
I agree. We do however need to make sure that we do not affect the ICASA hearings... Those hearings may very well put Telkom on a leash... RPM?

Cheers
Antowan

### What we need in South Africa is cheap 24/7, always on Internet for under R300 a month. ###
 
start printing tshirts with the logo's on and selling them at a big profit via a section-21 company and there should be little concerns over them ...
 
Hi Antowan

I am quite certain that this will not affect our ICASA complaint… A noteworthy fund will always make an organization stronger and give its members the ability to launch various initiatives. I think the best way might be to sell branded apparel and not rely solely on donations, but this means a great deal of work… One must have the support of the members, and all feedback is therefore appreciated.

Regards,

RPM
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Dissatisfaction at Telkom/Sentech pricing & service seems to be at all time high; just from my 2 months on the forum, I’ve noticed a big increase in members irritation levels; I would definitely support a ‘back the cause’ fund. Would there have to be a ‘board’ to decide who/what to allocate the money to?
 
Require clarification on this suggestion put forward?

Is this a suggestion that MyADSL create a fund that MyADSL can assist Hellkom? Or a Hellkom fund?

This idea of printed shirts being sold won't be a good one if its the Hellkom logos being printed, as that may be seen as making a profit and using said profits to fund the case, which would then make Hellkom a profit seeking concern selling Hellkom logos which would be a illegal use of the logo's, a copyright infringment.

To keep out of the way and not inadvertantly create issues that Telkom can raise against Hellkom, I suggest MyADSL create a fund for itself which can then be used to assist Hellkom if MyADSL wishes to do so. Printing and selling of T-Shirts will be considered as 'merchandise' and as such MyADSL will no longer be able to consider itself a non-profit orginisation....however I suppose one could donate x amount and recieve a free T-Shirt as a token of appreciation &gt;:)

What ever plans we (MyADSL) make, we better ensure we do not inadvertantly give Telkom any technical loophole to hit Hellkom with... I say check any plans with Hellkom and the lawyer.
 
a non profit org may sell merchandise and you may draw a salery from the org so i dont think that there is a problem ...

a non profit org can even make a profit but the key to non-profit is that all funds raised be used in the org and not distributed to shareholders as in other companies ...

many private schools are section 21 to be able to raise funds for there use and you protected by knowing funds generated are going to the use specified ...
 
FXI already has a legal defense fund.

I guess that their support includes monetary support should Telkom indeed continue with the legal action as they are threatening to do.



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An Article 21 company would be the ideal vehicle for this as its profits have to go back into its cause or the community it is serving. It is a good idea. It will have a board etc.

There will have to be a meeting of some sort at some point between interested parties including RPM, and MAD.

The documentation can be handled then and there. I would think that the Union Solidarity should also be there... If only in an advisory or witness capacity.

Regards
Antowan

### What we need in South Africa is cheap 24/7, always on Internet for under R300 a month. ###
 
I like the idea of a non-profit org.

I will support a plain fund financially too.

Prefrably I would like to purchase myadsl branded mechandise (not hellkom logos ... thats a legal minefield).



-Information anarchist-
www.sentechhatesfreespeech.org.za
I support:
www.telkom.fokkensuig.co.za
www.poopband.co.za
www.hellkom.co.za
Read about MaD of hellkom being sued for R5million by Telkom:
http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4316
 
I don't think it would be wise to go the way of commercially selling merchandise (apparel, ceramics, etc), as this could cause MyADSL (or Hellkom) to appear as business interests attempting to derive a profit from the situation. We could, however, use a fund generated from donations to finance printing of posters and manufacturing of campaign apparel, to be given to members free of charge, and warn at organization gatherings, protest actions and the like.

In keeping with my earlier proposal, I would further like to propose that we formalize the organization such that it becomes cohesive and so that members can co-ordinate action. I am not thinking along the lines of registering as a Section 23 non-profit company, but simply about organizing events where members can have face to face meetings, to discuss plans of action for possible protests or public events. I wish to suggest that local user group meetings be organized where members can come together for face to face talks, and for general social interaction. This will bond the members of the organization together and provide us with cohesion at public events. Such meetings could be organized locally for each individual city or region, and be conducted on a monthly basis, or at least once every two months.

Willie Viljoen
Web Developer

Adaptive Web Development
 
Do we get to drink beer?!

Podo, i think this is a good idea. We witnessed how well the Sentech wardrive went, and I'm sure meetings like this will help to bring people together, and strengthen our efforts.

Now where's my fake ID...

Nick Smit
broadband@nicksmit dot za dot net
 
I'll bring the beer, you just get the torches and pitchforks. [:D]

Willie Viljoen
Web Developer

Adaptive Web Development
 
It looks like its time to get serious about the fight to sort out our telecoms. If everyone would donate just 5-10% of their monthly tekskum account to a fund, it may go a long way to help.
 
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