Duh - how could it posssibly be fair to use pencils vs pens?

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Pencil erasers? - Distributed to officials counting votes - fits snugly between the thumb and index finger. Any vote not for the popular majority will be erased and cast aside as a spoilt paper?


Duh - how could it posssibly be fair to use pencils vs pens
 
Further to that, on E-news, it looked like they were using koki pens to make the marking on the thumb of left hand. Wipe off koki mark and vote again at same station or go to another to vote?
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EC head ‘amazed’ at pencil use
PREGA GOVENDER and NIVASHNI NAIR Published:Apr 22, 2009



The ballot papers are taken out of the box in front of counting staff of the IEC, party agents and other observers. There really isn’t an opportunity for people to sit with erasers and make changes
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IEC chairman Brigalia Bam has expressed amazement at the news that some voters in KwaZulu-Natal had been given pencils with which to vote - because it was cheaper than pens.

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Bam acknowledged receiving reports of voting stations in the province using pencils instead of pens in KwaZulu Natal.

But she said she was "amazed" because the Commission had issued sufficient pens for voters.

IEC chief electoral officer Pansy Tlakula had earlier told the Sunday Times that it had issued 4.5 million ballpoint pens.

Bam said while there were no regulations regarding the use of pencils, the IEC would look at banning their use in the next elections.

She said a ballot paper with a partially erased cross would be regarded as a spoilt ballot.

KwaZulu-Natal’s provincial electoral officer Mawethu Mosery said this morning that it was fine for people to make their cross with pencil. He dismissed concerns that the use of pencils increased the chance of fraud, and said voters should ensure their marks were clearly visible.

"The reason pencils were used for this election is because they were less expensive," said Mosery.

However, if people wanted to carry their own pens and use them at voting stations, they could do so, he said.

IEC Western Cape electoral officer Courtney Sampson confirmed pencils and pens were being used at polling stations in the province.

"It is irrelevant whether a pen or pencil is used," he said. "The ballot papers are taken out of the box in front of counting staff of the IEC, party agents and other observers. There really isn’t an opportunity for people to sit with erasers and make changes."

Sampson added that people could take their own pens if they preferred to vote in ink.

Sampson said pencils were a common feature in elections and have been used by South African voters since 1999.

Meanwhile, Bam also assured voters that the IEC had plans in place to deal with a shortage of ballot papers.

The Democratic Alliance had earlier reported shortages of ballot papers and ballot boxes in several problems.

Bam said in the event that a station ran out of voting material, the presiding officers would immediately call the commission’s provincial office for more supplies, and that there was transport on stand-by specifically for that purpose.

"I am absolutely sure by now that all of them (voting stations that had run out of papers) have ballot papers," she said.
 
Wow, that sucks. How can this not be forbidden? It seems like such a natural thing to disallow it.
 
Further to that, on E-news, it looked like they were using koki pens to make the marking on the thumb of left hand. Wipe off koki mark and vote again at same station or go to another to vote?
cheers
air

They used a koki pen on me. It's permanent trust me.
 
Further to that, on E-news, it looked like they were using koki pens to make the marking on the thumb of left hand. Wipe off koki mark and vote again at same station or go to another to vote?
cheers
air
Could work, except they also electronically scan your ID number and flag it and physically cross you off the voters roll... But I guess if you have various false ID's with valid ID numbers it could work.

How many would you have to carry to make any sort of difference to the outcome though :) Kinda impractical.
 
They used a koki pen on me. It's permanent trust me.

But the stuff they are meant to use is indellible ink - it literally does not come off until some time has passed. Koki, even permanent marker will come off with a good bit of scrubbing.

As mentioned above, though, it would still require a lot of fake ID's and a lot of effort to vote more than once.
 
Well i've been scrubbing mine and you can still see the mark hence i say it does the job.
 
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