Two killer Pitbulls involved in dog blood bath

w1z4rd

w1z4rd

Karmic Sangoma
Joined
Jan 17, 2005
Messages
52,146
Reaction score
8,340
Location
127.0.0.1
Family witnesses pet dog savaged

TWO problem pitbull terriers in East London’s Cambridge suburb caused mayhem on Sunday morning when they entered a neighbourhood yard and savaged the owner’s pet boerboel.

It took bullets from the gun of Tereza Swieger’s brother-in-law to end nearly two hours of bloody carnage.

One of the attacking dogs was killed on the scene and the other limped away and died the following morning.

Sasha, Swieger’s boerboel, was put down later that night having suffered extensive wounding in the mauling.

Pictures from the scene afterwards show a massive amount of blood on Swieger’s driveway and her white car, under which Sasha tried to hide.

Residents said yesterday the two dogs had often terrorised residents and other pets in the Cambridge West area.

Buffalo City Municipality and the SPCA confirmed they had received complaints from people about the two animals.

The owner of the dogs hasn’t been seen since and police are trying to trace him.

For now, Swiegers and her children were trying to get over the trauma of the attack.

“It was like a film as we watched in horror as Sasha hid under our car trying to get away from these two dogs,” said Swiegers.

“She was in pain and my children had to watch the horrible fight as she was trying to defend herself.”

Swiegers said neighbours came out and watched in shock as the dog was mauled.

She said her son Daniel, nine, who has Down Syndrome, bravely rushed to intervene but was stopped by Swiegers.

“Daniel wanted to save her. He saw that she was in pain and tried to be brave.

“We stopped him because these dogs would have mauled him,” said Swiegers.

They threw bricks and water at the two dogs but nothing could deter them.

Just before the attack, Swiegers had been preparing to leave the house.

As she opened her gate the two dogs ran onto her property and chased after Sasha.

Swiegers said they tried to call the police but there was no response.

She then called her brother-in- law, Brendon Drake, after the attack had gone on for about one- and-a-half hours.

“When he arrived he shot both dogs. One died on the scene and the other ran home limping.”

Drake said he had never seen such horror in his entire life.

“These dogs are like trained fighter dogs – they came here to kill Sasha. It is as if someone is breeding them to fight other dogs.”

Sasha was rushed to a veterinary clinic in Amalinda, where Swiegers made the agonising decision to have her dog put down.

The vet’s report, seen by the Daily Dispatch, revealed extensive wounds all over the boerboel’s body.

Municipal spokesperson Sam Ngwenya said people had laid prior complaints with the dog licensing department.

The SPCA’s Allen Westerberg also confirmed there had been complaints about the two dogs.

Westerberg said the second pitbull that survived the initial shooting died at the SPCA yesterday morning.

Swiegers has opened a case against the owner of the two dogs.

But police spokesperson Captain Mluleki Mbi said the owner hadn’t been found yet. “The police are still waiting for the owner to respond, but under the Animal Protection Act a case of allowing vicious dogs to be at large has been opened by police,” said Mbi. - By BONGANI FUZILE, Crime Reporter
Click to expand...
http://www.dispatch.co.za/article.aspx?id=324998

These are such disgusting animals. I really hope we ban these mindless killers from our society.

doguse.jpg


Please read my second post as well. I was pissed off when I posted this, but holding owners accountable is a much better idea. IE.. if your Pitbull kills a child you should go to jail for murder.
 
Last edited:
Buffalo City Municipality and the SPCA confirmed they had received complaints from people about the two animals.
Click to expand...

The question then should be, why was nothing done about it?

The debate about the breed has been discussed before ad infinitum so I will not restart it.

Problem animals are not just limited to this one specific breed. In most cases the problem rests with the guardians of the animal.

“These dogs are like trained fighter dogs – they came here to kill Sasha. It is as if someone is breeding them to fight other dogs.”
Click to expand...
This is the problem, not the dog.
 
Last edited:
RVFmal said:
In most cases the problem rests with the guardians of the animal.
Click to expand...

If thats the case Im all for the owners of these animals getting punished. If their dogs kill someone they should be the ones that go to jail for murder. If their dogs kill another animal they should be sued, get jail time and never be allowed to own a pet again.

Ban the killer dog or hold the owner accountable.. I dont mind, either way will see a reduction in this mean breed.
 
What a great example of just how idiotic human beings really are. Idiotic humans who think they can handle the raising of the doggest of all dogs. Other idiotic humans who let their children watch their pet get mauled for an hour and a half before doing something smart. Despite all this, I really feel for that woman.

Wizard, there was actually a time I thought you were practical and scientifically-minded. Thanks for disproving me with a sensationalist article and a very biased statement.

Let's ban staffies, those vicious demonic Jock of the bushveld dogs. Let's ban pitbulls, the most popular dog in America. Let's ban guns since guns are also vicious killers. They pull their own triggers!

Dogs have owners. You want to ban someone, ban the owner. I've owned all manner of dogs, including pitbulls that play with other dogs and lick kittens. But no, because of all this "empirical evidence" of yours, we should ban those dogs? Hypocrisy at its sweetest.
 
Aeron said:
What a great example of just how idiotic human beings really are. Idiotic humans who think they can handle the raising of the doggest of all dogs. Other idiotic humans who let their children watch their pet get mauled for an hour and a half before doing something smart. Despite all this, I really feel for that woman.

Wizard, there was actually a time I thought you were practical and scientifically-minded. Thanks for disproving me with a sensationalist article and a very biased statement.

Let's ban staffies, those vicious demonic Jock of the bushveld dogs. Let's ban pitbulls, the most popular dog in America. Let's ban guns since guns are also vicious killers. They pull their own triggers!

Dogs have owners. You want to ban someone, ban the owner. I've owned all manner of dogs, including pitbulls that play with other dogs and lick kittens. But no, because of all this "empirical evidence" of yours, we should ban those dogs? Hypocrisy at its sweetest.
Click to expand...

Stop being silly now. I dont care what you think about me honestly. I am not here to win your popularity contest. This is not school.

As RVFmal pointed out the argument about whether the savage Pitbull should be banned has being argued ad nasium in this forum. Do a google search of this forum and you will see how the majority of attacks by dogs are done by this breed (How is that for empirical evidence.. stats show the Pitbull is the most savage killer of the dog breed)... wanna see the attacks over the last week the breed is responsible for? http://news.google.co.za/news?um=1&ned=en_za&hl=en&q=pitbull+attack (and thats just the last week).

However, in my second post.. (I guess the one you failed to read because you had to have your drama queen moment), I did offer an alternative to banning the breed that falls actually in line with your post. Hold the owners accountable. If their Pitbull kills another child send them to jail for murder (I think this is apt considering you used the whole gun ownership analogy).
 
Last edited:
w1z4rd said:
If thats the case Im all for the owners of these animals getting punished. If their dogs kill someone they should be the ones that go to jail for murder. If their dogs kill another animal they should be sued, get jail time and never be allowed to own a pet again.

Ban the killer dog or hold the owner accountable.. I dont mind, either way will see a reduction in this mean breed.
Click to expand...

I agree with your sentiments that the owners have to assume the responsibility. The dogs are in their care.

I do not agree with the banning of the breed when the breed itself is not at fault. Humans create the meaness and aggressive nature, so the breed should not be punished for such.

We have many pitbulls who have made absolutely fantastic additions as members of families with children and other animals.To tar them all with the same brush would be grossly unfair.

Aeron said:
What a great example of just how idiotic human beings really are. Idiotic humans who think they can handle the raising of the doggest of all dogs. Other idiotic humans who let their children watch their pet get mauled for an hour and a half before doing something smart. Despite all this, I really feel for that woman.

Let's ban staffies, those vicious demonic Jock of the bushveld dogs. Let's ban pitbulls, the most popular dog in America. Let's ban guns since guns are also vicious killers. They pull their own triggers!

Dogs have owners. You want to ban someone, ban the owner. I've owned all manner of dogs, including pitbulls that play with other dogs and lick kittens. But no, because of all this "empirical evidence" of yours, we should ban those dogs? Hypocrisy at its sweetest.
Click to expand...

Agreed. However, I feel for the dogs that died due to the events that transpired. So my feelings for the woman are rather subdued. They could have done more to try and put a stop to the attack. Watching for an hour and a half is unacceptable.
 
RVFmal said:
Agreed. However, I feel for the dogs that died due to the events that transpired. So my feelings for the woman are rather subdued. They could have done more to try and put a stop to the attack. Watching for an hour and a half is unacceptable.
Click to expand...

She may well have tried to call the police or the SPCA. You can well imagine what the response would have been.

I, too, would have shot them. Not because they are pitbulls but because they were attacking my dog on my property.

The truth is that these dogs do end up becoming vicious and it all points to the owners and the environment in which they are raised. And I would rather have a vicious guard dog than one that wasn't. But I'd have to take the responsibility of it being what it is.
 
This is not school. Drama queen moment. That was funny you know.

I took your second post into account. The whole "mean breed" thing. You are really informed on this subject you know.

As for your pathetic attempt at empirical evidence, how about the fact that pitbulls are the most popular dog in America, by far, leading to the conclusion that, <gosh> they are most frequently involved in attacks. Let's ban red cars. Because red cars are so popular that their crash statistics say they are most likely to be involved in a crash.

I'm going to be so kind as to spend a moment or two on this and list some facts for you.

Firstly, I'll concede, pitbulls have centuries of pit fighting history behind them. It's in the genetic makeup of every pitbull alive to day. There is that dormant instinct to grab and rip and kill dogs, due to the perverse joys of the violent homo sapiens species. However, this instinct can be buried ten generations or it can be a generation old. Tricky situation. Also note that pitbulls rarely attack humans (children don't count because pitbulls see them as small animals) because, in a pitfight, pitbull owners had to tend to their wounded dogs. Dogs that attacked humans were culled.

The problem is almost never with the dog. It is always with the owner. You get three types of pitbull owners, mainly. The first type is the kind of people who want a pitbull for the novelty. Because he's so nice and also kind with kids (staffies). These dogs are loved and cared for but never trained and mostly not neutered (MAJOR PROBLEM). They might make it in terms of being tame but they are still not dog friendly.

The second type is the trailer trash type who want to appear macho because they've got a pitbull. These dogs are chained, often beaten, and not cared for at all. They're a status symbol because the owner is usually a runt. These dogs are not neutered and will **** up any dogs that look at them. Plain and simple.

Then, in the minority, are the kind of people of understand the pitbull's unique qualities. They train them and, unless they breed with them, they neuter the dogs. This makes an ungodly difference in aggression. A neutered pitbull is so unlikely to attack even a dog (despite centuries of genes from pitfighting) that I support the neutering of all pitbulls not owned by registered breeders. These dogs are the most awesome dogs you will ever find. Strong, brave, tenacious, loyal as a worshipper, gentle with children due to their massive pain thresholds. The doggest of dogs.

Unfortunately, types 1 and 2 outnumber type 3 about 3 000 to 1. There's the problem. Of course, in our politically correct world where we are not allowed to point a finger at humans, we must point them at the dogs. Even though humans are to blame.
 
Aeron said:
This is not school. Drama queen moment. That was funny you know.

I took your second post into account. The whole "mean breed" thing. You are really informed on this subject you know.

As for your pathetic attempt at empirical evidence, how about the fact that pitbulls are the most popular dog in America, by far, leading to the conclusion that, <gosh> they are most frequently involved in attacks. Let's ban red cars. Because red cars are so popular that their crash statistics say they are most likely to be involved in a crash.

I'm going to be so kind as to spend a moment or two on this and list some facts for you.

Firstly, I'll concede, pitbulls have centuries of pit fighting history behind them. It's in the genetic makeup of every pitbull alive to day. There is that dormant instinct to grab and rip and kill dogs, due to the perverse joys of the violent homo sapiens species. However, this instinct can be buried ten generations or it can be a generation old. Tricky situation. Also note that pitbulls rarely attack humans (children don't count because pitbulls see them as small animals) because, in a pitfight, pitbull owners had to tend to their wounded dogs. Dogs that attacked humans were culled.

The problem is almost never with the dog. It is always with the owner. You get three types of pitbull owners, mainly. The first type is the kind of people who want a pitbull for the novelty. Because he's so nice and also kind with kids (staffies). These dogs are loved and cared for but never trained and mostly not neutered (MAJOR PROBLEM). They might make it in terms of being tame but they are still not dog friendly.

The second type is the trailer trash type who want to appear macho because they've got a pitbull. These dogs are chained, often beaten, and not cared for at all. They're a status symbol because the owner is usually a runt. These dogs are not neutered and will **** up any dogs that look at them. Plain and simple.

Then, in the minority, are the kind of people of understand the pitbull's unique qualities. They train them and, unless they breed with them, they neuter the dogs. This makes an ungodly difference in aggression. A neutered pitbull is so unlikely to attack even a dog (despite centuries of genes from pitfighting) that I support the neutering of all pitbulls not owned by registered breeders. These dogs are the most awesome dogs you will ever find. Strong, brave, tenacious, loyal as a worshipper, gentle with children due to their massive pain thresholds. The doggest of dogs.

Unfortunately, types 1 and 2 outnumber type 3 about 3 000 to 1. There's the problem. Of course, in our politically correct world where we are not allowed to point a finger at humans, we must point them at the dogs. Even though humans are to blame.
Click to expand...

http://news.google.co.za/news?um=1&ned=en_za&hl=en&q=pitbull+attack
 
Albereth said:
She may well have tried to call the police or the SPCA. You can well imagine what the response would have been.
Click to expand...

We know full well what the response (or lack thereof) would have been. She did attempt to call the police with no response, but only called her brother after an hour and a half. I still believe that more should have been done, but then not everyone reacts well in pressure and critical situations like that.
 
Aeron said:
......... not neutered (MAJOR PROBLEM).
Click to expand...

This is the single biggest problem, and not only with PB's.

Any person not licensed to breed should not be allowed to be guardian to an animal that is un-neutered or sterilized.

Not only does it reduce the tendency for male dogs to be overly aggressive, but greatly reduces the chance of unwanted litters that are tossed out, killed or dumped at the door of rescue and welfare organizations.

The simple fact is that we as humans need to take responsibility for our actions (or lack thereof).
 
Shame wizard. I pity you. But that "ignore whatever anyone else is saying" is a skill you require if you want to get far in life. It might also make you a laughing stock. I guess we'll see.

Enjoy the thread scraps.
 
Aeron said:
Shame wizard. I pity you. But that "ignore whatever anyone else is saying" is a skill you require if you want to get far in life. It might also make you a laughing stock. I guess we'll see.

Enjoy the thread scraps.
Click to expand...

.. and the drama queen award goes to...

Learn to live deal with people that have different opinions to yourself. Good luck!
 
RVFmal said:
This is the problem, not the dog.
Click to expand...

Heres a question for you. Lets say across the board, all dogs basically have equal care. What I mean by this.. is a population of Pitbulls has about equal opportunity to care, love and resources than say a population of Labradors.

If you use the argument.. its "its the owner not the dog", there should be an equal number of attacks across the board from all dogs. Since this is not the case and the majority of attacks are still by Pitbulls.. how can you say its the owner not the dog?

Or are you looking at this argument from a different direction? Yes, I know not all Pitbulls are bad, but not all Puff Adders will bite you either.
 
w1z4rd said:
Heres a question for you. Lets say across the board, all dogs basically have equal care. What I mean by this.. is a population of Pitbulls has about equal opportunity to care, love and resources than say a population of Labradors.

If you use the argument.. its "its the owner not the dog", there should be an equal number of attacks across the board from all dogs. Since this is not the case and the majority of attacks are still by Pitbulls.. how can you say its the owner not the dog?

Or are you looking at this argument from a different direction? Yes, I know not all Pitbulls are bad, but not all Puff Adders will bite you either.
Click to expand...

Good point, consider the type of person who owns pitbulls (steroid junkie, gangster) vs the the type of person who owns a labrador. (family, owen wilson)
 
w1z4rd said:
Heres a question for you. Lets say across the board, all dogs basically have equal care. What I mean by this.. is a population of Pitbulls has about equal opportunity to care, love and resources than say a population of Labradors.

If you use the argument.. its "its the owner not the dog", there should be an equal number of attacks across the board from all dogs. Since this is not the case and the majority of attacks are still by Pitbulls.. how can you say its the owner not the dog?

Or are you looking at this argument from a different direction? Yes, I know not all Pitbulls are bad, but not all Puff Adders will bite you either.
Click to expand...

Different breeds of dogs have different personality traits, of that there is no dispute.

Some dogs are naturally more aggressive than others. In most cases of attacks it is through unethical training, lack of proper training and negligence of the guardians.

When one takes on a dog that has an naturally aggressive nature, and here we can name a few in addition to the PB such as Rottweilers, Doberman's, Bouviers etc, one needs to take cognisence of the fact that your dog has these traits and act upon these.

Yes, Pitties have a bad reputation for being overly aggressive, but this is due to the lack of knowledge of prospective guardians in addition to the fact that many people take them on to purposely train them to be fighters.

Yep, which I why I also would not advocate the banning and extinction of the Puff Adder ;-)
 
Last edited:
RVFmal said:
Different breeds of dogs have different personality traits, of that there is no dispute.

Some dogs are naturally more aggressive than others. In most cases of attacks it is through unethical training, lack of proper training and negligence of the guardians.

When one takes on a dog that has an naturally aggressive nature, and here we can name a few in addition to the PB such as Rottweilers, Doberman's, Bouviers etc, one needs to take cognisence of the fact that your dog has these traits and act upon these.

Yes, Pitties have a bad reputation for being overly aggressive, but this is due to the lack of knowledge of prospective guardians in addition to the fact that many people take them on to purposely train them to be fighters.
Click to expand...

So even though the majority of attacks come from a breed that was bred to kill and is responsible for the majority of attacks. Its not the dog its the breed?

Im not getting that rationality. I understand you love your dogs, but an animal that is bred to kill should not be allowed to endanger those around you. Its the same reason why Lions, leopards, hyenas and cheetahs (all animals you can tame and love if you care for them correctly) are frowned upon in suburbia.

I understand your love for your animal and I understand you want to protect it. However if that dog gets out and mauls the child next door.. you should be held up for murder.
 
I read an article on the net which stated that where dog aggression is defined as an unprovoked attack, then the most aggressive dogs were the Chihuahua, the Dachshund and the Jack Russell (in that order). The fact that a Pitbul or Rottweiler may do more damage doesn’t come into it, it’s a bigger dog! I will try to find the article again and place a link here.
 
w1z4rd said:
So even though the majority of attacks come from a breed that was bred to kill and is responsible for the majority of attacks. Its not the dog its the breed?

Im not getting that rationality. I understand you love your dogs, but an animal that is bred to kill should not be allowed to endanger those around you. Its the same reason why Lions, leopards, hyenas and cheetahs (all animals you can tame and love if you care for them correctly) are frowned upon in suburbia.

I understand your love for your animal and I understand you want to protect it. However if that dog gets out and mauls the child next door.. you should be held up for murder.
Click to expand...

We are discussing a subject that has been discussed so many times before, but in any event.

There are many breeds of dog that are deemed aggressive, the PB is but one of them. The reason that so many stories are published about PB attacks is because of the bad reputation that they have. This reputation was brought about by the dog fighting industry.

There are many attacks on other dogs and people by the likes of German Sheperds, Rotties etc, but these seldom make it into the news because there is not as much of an emotive element to it.

I personally do not own a Pitbull so am debating this from the perspective of a welfarist. I do however deal with many people and organizations who rescue and rehabilitate these dogs.

The rationality is quite simple. If these dogs were not bred for fighting purposes, we would not be sitting with the problem we have today, but the continuous breeding of these types of dogs for the DFI is what has created the problem.

Many pitbulls who come from a clean line (i.e. non-fighting), you would be hard-pressed to get a rise out of thme let alone have them attack with no provocation.

Eradicate the fighting clubs and allow the dog to breed with no aggressive tendencies and we would not be having this discussion.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter
X