Complaint against Cybersmart vs my iBurst story

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I'm doing some more research into this whole sorry affair with iBurst and came across someone posting a complaint on his blog against Cybersmart. It took him four days (!) to resolve an issue, which fault then turned out to be on his side, which both Cybersmart and Telkom had initially pointed out to him.

But before the issue was resolved, the boss from Cybersmart wrote a comment on the blog, detailing in very precise language the analysis of the problem, the possible reasons (fried port, fried router, physical breach in line), the history of the fault reporting, and, he backs up his employee, against whom the blogger had become personal.

It's just one comment (research is ongoing), but it is indicative of something larger: a particular philosophy of business where humans are still central. Look at Laurie's language (boss of Cybersmart). There is no ego in it, just clear, plain, precise detail and exposition. There's no patronisation - no assumptions are made about the blogger (well, at least none beyond what can be seen in the blogger's own post) and he is approached as an equal, even as his errors are pointed out.

What caps it for me is when Laurie backs up his employee: in short, Laurie is implicitly saying: "You will respect or not respect this employee for reasons relevant to his job only. And he has done his job properly." By doing this, Laurie is also showing his own respect for his employee. This to me, I would venture, is probably the reason why my telephonic interactions with Cybersmart have never led to any aggravation. The staff feel like humans, they treat callers like humans. The staff do not come across, on the telephone, as uninterested in their job.

So that ethos of respect runs through all three nodes: boss, employee, customer. The customer, especially, is shown respect by the precise and comprehensive detailing of the problem. Laurie clearly has read all the information regarding the issue and he can address the problem completely.

Read it. Laurie's is comment #2, but read the whole post; it's short.

Now, working backwards, with which company do you end up feeling more aggravated even when you do manage to get through to the helpdesk? Why? Does the person on the other end sound interested in their work? Interested in helping you? Do you feel human at all?

I'll leave you to work backwards from your own sense of how human you feel when you deal with an iBurst helpdesk.

But I want you to also compare Laurie's response to Jannie van Zyl, the CEO of iBurst's explanation of my problem (See first link above). I quote from his post in a thread started by me to moan about iBurst:

Over time iBurst (like any other company) build up a 'debtors book' of subscribers who do not pay their accounts. The company will obviously try and recover the money and when all else fails, these accounts get handed over to a debt collection agency. Pretty standard stuff. (Van Zyl)​

Notice that last phrase: "Pretty standard stuff". Where do I start?

I'll start at the beginning. Anyone who has read my blog post (linked at opening) detailing my woes with iBurst will realise that I am a reasonably educated member of society (bear with me). A reasonably educated member of society will know, at the very least in the broad terms employed by Jannie, how debt collecting works. I.e. any reasonably educated member of society will know that that is standard procedure. There is thus no reason in the language, in the mechanics of that paragraph, to add "pretty standard stuff". The paragraph itself, in generic, standard language (i.e. not legalistic language), in describing the process, makes it clear that the process is standard. There is, thus, no linguistic reason to add a tag: This is standard. It's like saying: Standard is standard.

Now what could be the possible reasons that Jannie adds that tag?

Only Jannie, of course, can know the true reasons, but I have some theories, interpretations:

1. Jannie hasn't read my long screed and doesn't realise that I am a reasonably educated person who doesn't need it to be pointed out that a standard procedure is standard. (If you read the rest of Jannie's response, you might think that he hasn't read my screed or does not want to consider my screed or wants to pretend that he hasn't read my screed. I don't know.)

2. In tagging it "Pretty standard stuff", Jannie is showing his readers that he can identify when a standard procedure is standard. Furthermore, he is establishing his ethos. This is a term from rhetoric - establishing your ethos is basically like presenting your credentials, your authority to speak on an issue. It's not necessarily about your expertise on an issue; it's more like establishing some kind of persona in order to persuade your listener to listen to you. But there are many different ways of establishing your ethos.

Now, consider the tone of that phrase. It is informal - "pretty", "stuff". It is short, abrupt. It is light. "Pretty standard stuff". What does that remind me of? "Pretty standard stuff" I can almost see a hand giving a slight, light wave, implying: it's standard, it doesn't need further elaboration, it should not detain us unnecessarily.

In responding in a thread in which I moan about erroneous debt and bad accounting, and about which I have written a long post detailing the issues, details which he completely ignores - wilfully or because he has not availed himself of all the information - what kind of ethos is Jannie establishing here? I'm not sure. Anyone have an idea?

3. Consider the relationship between ethos and ego. Remember, ethos is akin to establishing the persona that will now speak. Think again of Laurie's comment: how does he establish ethos? Isn't it amazing? Laurie establishes his ethos by not establishing an ethos. Notice there are no sentences that refer to what has been written, in the way that "Pretty standard stuff" refer to what has been written, i.e. the standard procedure. Nowhere in Laurie's comment, in which he details a standard procedure of dealing with a problem does he say: they do this, then that, then this... standard procedure. He just gives the standard procedure. That is what I meant earlier when I said that his comment was absent of ego. He has established an ego-less ethos by not self-referencing the stuff he is writing about. In short, he is not "showing off" his ability to grasp when a standard procedure is standard. By doing so - by NOT tagging something which is already self-explanatory - he also avoids patronising his listener, his customer; i.e. he respects his customer.

Now, in the context of this whole post, think again about how Jannie's tag, "Pretty standard stuff" establishes his ethos. What kind of ethos is he establishing?

Think about those three nodes I mentioned earlier: boss, employees, customers. Think about ethos now in its broader meaning, as, for example, I used it earlier when talking about Laurie's comment: "So that ethos of respect runs through all three nodes: boss, employee, customer."

Think about the relationship between the absence of ego and respect. Think again about that line through the three nodes - boss, employees, customers - and think about how that might relate to how you feel when calling iBurst's helpdesk.

What does all this say about iBurst's business philosophy, its ethos? Makes you think, doesn't it?

I'll get onto Jannie's subsequent paragraphs and other responses of his in due course...
 
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Just a brief thought: On the basis of the above post, I would rather be complaining to Cybersmart than to iBurst. Even if I am having connection or billing problems, I would want to have it with Cybersmart. At the very least, I know I will be treated like a human being. And to start with the human as the very least is already a mighty big jump from iBurst in all respects, because feeling like a human being is the most important thing in anyone's life.

Complaining to Iburst never leads to relief, and, more importantly, leaves you feeling completely un-human because it disempowers you. Wrt to internet technology, which is central to many people's livelihood (small business, for instance), it robs you of your agency. If you are a small business owner or freelancer, steadily working to be the prime agent in your own life - empowering yourself, in other words - dealing with iBurst almost always leads to you feeling robbed of the control over your own life. Big corporations often lead to this, but in iBurst's case it is so deep and insurmountable that it is a form of moral corruption.

My experiences with iBurst have ground me down, have made me feel far, far less than human, have made me feel, bluntly, like a piece of sh-t. And I have communicated with and read about other people who have felt the same way: poisoned.

But there are ways to extract the poison. There are antidotes.

If you feel you have been poisoned by this company, comment here or on my blog, Open Letter to iBurst (link in my sig). I am gathering information and evidence of the reach of the incompetence endemic at that company. If you have had positive experiences with other ISPs, comment and praise them (OK, even if you have had bad experiences, comment and criticise then).

Thank you.

Rustum

(http://openlettertoiburst.wordpress.com)
 
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Rustum, could you do us a favour and condense your post into one succinct paragraph, so we can try to understand what you're saying without having to read half the Internet?

I am trying to understand your point, as I am also a Cybersmart subscriber, but I just don't get it, and I'm afraid your post is too tedious to read again.

Thank you.
 
My experiences with iBurst have ground me down, have made me feel far, far less than human, have made me feel, bluntly, like a piece of sh-t. And I have communicated with and read about other people who have felt the same way: poisoned.

I think you're being absurdly melodramatic. iBurst is a ****ing ISP, not a panglobal consortium of evil beings pledged to the annihilation of the universe.

I'm all for bitching and complaining, but you're styling yourself as some sort of tragic martyr. It's all a bit over the top. Get a grip.
 
Rustum, could you do us a favour and condense your post into one succinct paragraph, so we can try to understand what you're saying without having to read half the Internet?

I am trying to understand your point, as I am also a Cybersmart subscriber, but I just don't get it, and I'm afraid your post is too tedious to read again.

Thank you.

So what exactly is it that you do not understand in Rustum's post?
Or is it by implication of your own statement any post longer than 'one succinct paragraph'?
Secondly nobody is forcing you to read Rustum's posts.
 
As was the case with Thriel and Openweb.

Some people will still keep on complaining long after the issue has been resolved.

I still maintain that we can expect iBurst to improve on its customer relations with a new team at the helm. Only time will tell - it is too early to expect anything to happen.
 
As was the case with Thriel and Openweb.

Some people will still keep on complaining long after the issue has been resolved.

I still maintain that we can expect iBurst to improve on its customer relations with a new team at the helm. Only time will tell - it is too early to expect anything to happen.

I take it you did perhaps did not read my earlier reply to your 'Positive feelings' thread.

This is not about issues in the past that have been resolved.
I once again request you to check the following and consider if this is about resolved issues:

"To get some kind of indication of what is really happening at iBurst please check the following:

http://www.hellopeter.co.za/search_r...?search=iBurst

This could probably only be regarded as a small sample of the real frustration experienced by users.
Not everybody knows about HelloPeter..."
 
Rustum, could you do us a favour and condense your post into one succinct paragraph, so we can try to understand what you're saying without having to read half the Internet?

I am trying to understand your point, as I am also a Cybersmart subscriber, but I just don't get it, and I'm afraid your post is too tedious to read again.

Thank you.

Plazma, ok.

The interaction between Cybersmart boss and a complaining customer shows that the Cybersmart boss is not a prick. That non-prickness shines through in their total business philosophy.

For evidence - because it is large claim, and one should back up large claims like this with substantial and substantive evidence, no matter how long the paragraphs - read the original post.
 
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I think you're being absurdly melodramatic. iBurst is a ****ing ISP, not a panglobal consortium of evil beings pledged to the annihilation of the universe.

I'm all for bitching and complaining, but you're styling yourself as some sort of tragic martyr. It's all a bit over the top. Get a grip.

Ouch.
 
As was the case with Thriel and Openweb.

Some people will still keep on complaining long after the issue has been resolved.

I still maintain that we can expect iBurst to improve on its customer relations with a new team at the helm. Only time will tell - it is too early to expect anything to happen.

Do you work for iBurst?

Are you friends with Jannie, online or in real life?

Do you get special help from Shaun because of that?
 
"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see
not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."

Matthew 13:13

I wonder, was Matthew a martyr?
 
So what exactly is it that you do not understand in Rustum's post?
Or is it by implication of your own statement any post longer than 'one succinct paragraph'?
Secondly nobody is forcing you to read Rustum's posts.

As the said man said.

Thanks Gekco
 
I think you're being absurdly melodramatic. iBurst is a ****ing ISP, not a panglobal consortium of evil beings pledged to the annihilation of the universe.

I'm all for bitching and complaining, but you're styling yourself as some sort of tragic martyr. It's all a bit over the top. Get a grip.

Azimuth, I never said that they were all those nasty things; I think though, now that you mention it, that they are nastier than that, by far.

But I'm glad that I have elicited an expletive form you. It shows vim and vigour.
 
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No, on all three counts.

OK, thanks. Just asking/wondering, because on the evidence of your posts on anti-iBurst threads, one cannot help but wonder about these things.

Obviously, my motives and drive are related to the intensity of the bad experience. If you have little money and people claim you owe them money, that is cause for concern. If the claims are erroneous, one is bound to get urined-off. If the erroneous claims persist, you get what's going on now. Those explain my motives and it explains my drive.

What explains your motive in covering for iBurst?
 
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