Muslim Women Oppression

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http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=109366

A very interesting read I found about the oppression of women in so-called Islamic countries. Of course, as always, not all of it is "politically correct" and I don't agree with all of it.

But two of the most important things the article says are

1. That the oppression of women is not based on the Muslim religion but on the culture of the countries they live in and that critics of oppression wrongly attribute the oppression to Islam.

2.
"Heaven lies under the feet of mothers." This implies that the success of a society can be traced to the mothers who raised it.
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Very true things.

It seems as though, as always, the "evils" of religion come not from the religions themselves but from the personal interpretations thereof by its followers.
 
So these men are making stuff up, claiming that the Koran tells them to force women to do their bidding. And it's not personal interpretations in that one or two men make decisions about their own women, but rather the laws of the country and the mullahs in the mosques tell all men that all women are 2nd class creatures.
 
lol Aeron
you take the side of the Republicans on everything but they are not going to be happy with your defensive for Islam.

Abrahamic religions have made women the source for all evil starting with Adam & Eve, people should just not take the biblical stories literally since a few stories were written by a few women hating scribes.

Strangely, if the Muslim countries were not so conservative there would probably be more wars because the evangelicals would be calling for crusades to put an end to brothels in the land of Abraham and the profits if Muslim countries were liberal with brothels on every corner.
 
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And men being allowed to marry multiple women, but not the other way around, is not a sign of undermining women?
 
Aqua_lung said:
Abrahamic religions have made women the source for all evil starting with Adam & Eve, people should just not take the biblical stories literally since a few stories were written by a few women hating scribes.
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That'd be Christianity and Judaism, its not the same in Islam
 
Aqua_lung said:
lol Aeron
you take the side of the Republicans on everything but they are not going to be happy with your defensive for Islam.
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I thought he was just looking to be argumentive with me. AFAIK he hates the "west" and only supported Republicans because I think theyre *******s.

Does his republican interest go out of that thread of just in that thread? Otherwise he would be the first Republican supporting Islamic supporting (but someone who doesnt know the different between Islamic and Islamist) person I have met on this forum. Though to be honest I dont really follow his posts with much interest so I probally am wrong.

Very confusing :D But very original :D
 
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Aqua_lung said:
A bit like Frankie the Muslim, the self-hating Muslim.
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LOL.. we know his not Muslim. You call him that cause he thinks you are an undercover Muslim or something so you reversed it back to him.
 
Please wizard, deflate your head a bit. You are not that important and I'm not petty enough to start a thread attacking you. I never have. Who was the one who wanted to start a thread about PeterCH and all his "lies"? Was it YOU? Oops, I guess you're going to report me to the mods for saying that.

I don't support the republicans. I've said that before. I do however think it's pathetic that people blame the republicans or Bush for a country that was fscked up long before Bush and would have blown up in the hands of any president. Maybe do some research on what America's situation was like in the 90's. I also think the people chanting "Yes we can!" in the Obama stadiums are closer to apes than humans.

The truth is, there isn't really a "correct" or an "incorrect" point of view. The democrats, the republicans, devout religious people, the Chinese; they all have their supporters and critics and each team has sufficient reason for their opinions.

In general, I point out the retards, the hypocrites and the indoctrinated when they're taking swipes at things they know nothing about or try to further their own personal agendas with dodgy information and zero understanding. That includes, but is not limited to; people who have an issue with Islam based on the oppression of Muslim women.
 
Aeron said:
people who have an issue with Islam based on the oppression of Muslim women.
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These people you speak about, me being one of them, generally would have the same view, if it was Orange Pickers and their oppression of Orange Picker Women. Do you see the common areas here, Oppression of Women.It does not matter what the oppressors believe in, what matters is that they use it for this. And therefore we all say they are balless males and cowards, and pig eating bastards.
 
Balstrome said:
These people you speak about, me being one of them, generally would have the same view, if it was Orange Pickers and their oppression of Orange Picker Women. Do you see the common areas here, Oppression of Women.It does not matter what the oppressors believe in, what matters is that they use it for this. And therefore we all say they are balless males and cowards, and pig eating bastards.
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Correct.

We, and generally the west condemn scumbags such as Warren Jeffs and the Timothy McVeigh, but the same can't be said for Islamic or most middle eastern countries.
Lost cause trying to claim that Muslim women aren't oppressed in most Islamic countries, but not limited to those countries.


Muslim cleric tells Australians: 'Husbands should be allowed to rape and beat their wives'



Outrage as Muslim cleric likens women to 'uncovered meat'

Iran - Women's Rights


Islamic Republic of Iran human rights violations ongoing.
Women continue to face discrimination – both in law and practice. Impunity for human rights abuses is widespread.
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Karzai backs down over ‘abhorrent’ marital rape law

Afghanistan’s constitution guarantees equality of the sexes and the country is also a signatory to the Universal Declaration on Human Rights. However, hardline theologians argue that all other provisions are overridden by Article Three of the Constitution, which guarantees that nothing contrary to the “beliefs and provisions of Islam” is permissible in Afghan law. Mr Karzai’s climbdown came a day after he said that he had been unaware of its content when he signed it. He made the claim when he met a group of women activists who organised a protest against the new law in Kabul last week. The protesters were attacked by a mob of male supporters of the law.

The controversial provisions were buried in the 239-page document, much of it written in dense theological jargon. Mr Karzai said that his aides had not briefed him properly about the details. Many opponents of the law have said that it did not pass through the normal channels, that would have included discussion of all the articles, because MPs were advised to let the Shia community determine the details of their own laws – a right granted by the constitution.

One article stipulates that the wife “is bound to preen for her husband as and when he desires”. Another passage sanctions marital rape. “As long as the husband is not travelling he has the right to have sexual intercourse with his wife every fourth night . . . Unless the wife is ill or has any kind of illness that intercourse could aggravate, the wife is bound to give a positive response to the sexual desires of her husband.”

Article 133 reintroduces the Taleban restrictions on women’s movements outside their homes, stating: “A wife cannot leave the house without the permission of the husband” unless in a medical or other emergency.

Article 27 endorses child marriage, with girls legally able to marry once they begin to menstruate. The law also withholds from the woman the right to inherit her husband’s wealth.

When its contents were made public it was condemned widely by Western governments, with President Obama describing the new law as abhorrent.
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Frankie, show me to original connection that this "law" has to Islam core beliefs or the writings of the Quran, and you can slander the Muslims for ever. But if you can't, you're blaming the wrong thing.
 
This one is just too damn obvious not to comment on but.. "The law also withholds from the woman the right to inherit her husband’s wealth." is completely and utterly un-Islamic. There is a set formula for inheritance than cannot be strayed from which incl. an order of how inheritance is split amongst family members for a large number of scenarios. Infact i think this part of laws is the largest as women didn't inherit prior.
 
Aeron said:
Frankie, show me to original connection that this "law" has to Islam core beliefs or the writings of the Quran, and you can slander the Muslims for ever. But if you can't, you're blaming the wrong thing.
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That is typical of the type 0f devious ducking and diving that is used by Muslm apologists to excuse themselves. It's not the core of the Koran. By that in fact you are suggesting that all the Taliban males, (they not Men) are backsliders and are reading the Koran incorrectly. That a couple million liars. How about the others, honour killings , what did they just make that up, or did they read about it in their holy book?

The thing is, if Islamists, find these actions not in line with the Koran, then why do they not loudly proclaim them to be wrong, before the infidels have a chance to point it out. It is because they in fact do not find anything wrong with it.
 
Balstrome said:
The thing is, if Islamists, find these actions not in line with the Koran, then why do they not loudly proclaim them to be wrong, before the infidels have a chance to point it out. It is because they in fact do not find anything wrong with it.
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Thats how Islamist (not Islamic) men like it. Its the only way they can get authority and they dont want it taken away from them.
 
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