Eskom's proposed tariff hike a shock to economy

Yes it will be a shock when the Ministers fill up their pockets even more than before.
 
The problem here is that Eskom is attempting to raise the funds now to buy its future infrastructure needs. But good business does not work that way around.

This is how it should happen:

First you make the investment (ie rasie capital)
Second you build the infrastructure with the raised capital.
Third you charge consumers who use your product, and thus provide a return to your investors.

This is Eskom's way:

First you charge consumers exorbitantly for existing services.
Second, you charge them even more.
Third, you charge them even more.
Fourth, you roll out infrastructure with the accumulated and diminishing profits for which there is no longer sufficient demand, because no-one can afford the exorbitant prices of electricity.
Fifth, you charge even more, because consumers aren't using enough energy.
Six, you charge even more because businesses are moving production overseas, because South Africa is no longer an affordable place to run a business.
etc.
etc.
etc.

At some point the lunacy has to stop!
 
This country is pathetic.
Eskom executives should be jailed along with Vodacom, MTN, Tiger Brands etc etc etc.....the list goes on and on and on.
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ABSA, Nedbank, All Banks, Telkom, Multichoice ..... the list really goes on and on...
 
The problem here is that Eskom is attempting to raise the funds now to buy its future infrastructure needs. But good business does not work that way around.

This is how it should happen:

First you make the investment (ie rasie capital)
Second you build the infrastructure with the raised capital.
Third you charge consumers who use your product, and thus provide a return to your investors.

This is Eskom's way:

First you charge consumers exorbitantly for existing services.
Second, you charge them even more.
Third, you charge them even more.
Fourth, you roll out infrastructure with the accumulated and diminishing profits for which there is no longer sufficient demand, because no-one can afford the exorbitant prices of electricity.
Fifth, you charge even more, because consumers aren't using enough energy.
Six, you charge even more because businesses are moving production overseas, because South Africa is no longer an affordable place to run a business.
etc.
etc.
etc.

At some point the lunacy has to stop!

Its the SA way! I am still wondering what idiotic company is advising them on this strategy because its goes for almost all business models in SA. Yes i am talking about business analysts like McKensey, Deloitte, PWC etc While the CEO has the final say over what he pushes these okes are the 'brains' sometimes behind some of the strategies employed.
 
Economy is already screwed up with anti-inflation measures of certain guy who used to be paid 3.8 million PA. This is contribution from guy who is paid 5.2 million PA. People who are paid millions for their poor service do not care about economy or what average Joe or Sipho is going through. They are thinking about new shiny BMW.
 
if the private company willing to build the infrastructures, there are some approaches.

1) borrow money from banks
2) merge with other company
3) sell the shares
4) share the profit from specify project.
.......

but never heard "rise your selling price" let the consumers pay for it!!!!!!!!!
in other words the investors do not need to have any risk and profit taking from others; the consumers pay the money for that company's owns investment and sell the products to the consumers. Is that making sense?

If Eskom demands 45% hike for next few years for building infrastructures, Eskom has to give shares of all the infrastructures they build to all customers.
 
Its the SA way! I am still wondering what idiotic company is advising them on this strategy because its goes for almost all business models in SA. Yes i am talking about business analysts like McKensey, Deloitte, PWC etc While the CEO has the final say over what he pushes these okes are the 'brains' sometimes behind some of the strategies employed.
Good solid AA work. Don't worry about qualifications/experience. Here is a company for you to run because you are an AA candidate...
 
State owned enterprises should be non-profit. Everybody working in this enterprise is civil servants. The CEO get paid according to how the company perform, not some made up KPI that allows him to get bonuses even if the company fails.
 
There is such a simple way to finance Eishkom without tariff increases. Let's buy the managers for what they are worth and sell them for what they think they are worth.
 
Sucks being a Taxpayer in South Africa

This Eskom thing is way bigger than our "gripe" with Telkom and the reason this forum was formed. :eek: Makes me think that here could be another case of a website called MyPower or MyKrag developing out of this story as it unfolds.:confused: Maybe the current Eskom Topic here needs an upgrade?

With our experience tackling the Behemoth of Telkom and all the ensuing revelations that were discovered as we went along from the time this forum started and thereafter it would not surprise that there is a vast amount of information we don't know that is being suppressed or withheld depending on what way you look at it in regards to Eskom and the way it conducts itself, at our expense.

Strange to me that in the past Capital for Eskom was likely (not sure, but it did not show on our accounts as such) acquired from Bond Raising and from Taxpayers, much like Telkom which was surely paid from our Taxes over time, the infrastructure that is. Why now must Eskom pay for Capacity expansion upfront out of Electricity Accounts when these are surely long term projects that stretch out for decades. Unless Government is trying to pay for other things under the guise of Eskom's misgivings? The other thing that puzzles me is the big difference between what Eskom charges Local Municipalities and what these Municipalities charge us in turn, which is more or less just doubling up. I suppose Municipalities need to cover their costs too, but to that extent and for a service that should be an essential commodity that carries no profit. It is well known that Local Municipalities need Electricity Revenues to fill their budgets and I think Electricity Revenue forms between 20 and 40%, the biggest slice of their Budgets, as Rates are regulated and cannot be increased to the extent that Eskom is doing.

To add, take this 47Billion Arms Deal Scandal. Wow! Would that money not be better utilised to pay off a Power Station or two, than more aircraft for the Air Force who do not even have pilots to fly them. But then one wonders why we need such big Transport Aircraft for other than sending "gesmokkelde" stuff wherever.

Big can of worms enveloping, all at the expense of the poor taxpayer.
Even SARS wants their pound of flesh out of the man on the street >
SARS bids to bridge R70bn tax shortfall
Everything points to a country which used to be cheap to live in becoming a k@k expensive place with crime running rampant as the poor get poorer and shift to other means to make a living.

There is no place to hide from this greedy Government. All this during one of the worst recessions in living memory. People are struggling to keep their heads above water, but Government seems oblivious to this fact. I suppose if you have a lekker job, a paid car, travel allowances, tea parties, diplomatic holidays all over the world as a Member of the South African Parliament you lose focus of the poor man on the street as his troubles seem unreal to your "paved" street.
 
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Perhaps it's time people start getting off their asses and start protesting in the streets. We can't just accept everything the government tells us to do anymore. They are f#@$@# around with our lives and it's got to end!
 
Everything points to a country which used to be cheap to live in becoming a k@k expensive place with crime running rampant as the poor get poorer and shift to other means to make a living.
Nail on the head. The poor is getting poorer, the middleclass will become the new poor.
There is no place to hide from this greedy Government. All this during one of the worst recessions in living memory. People are struggling to keep their heads above water, but Government seems oblivious to this fact. I suppose if you have a lekker job, a paid car, travel allowances, tea parties, diplomatic holidays all over the world as a Member of the South African Parliament you lose focus of the poor man on the street as his troubles seem unreal to your "paved" street.
But of course. I would LOVE a job where other people work, and you don't have to be worried about being fired for screwing up. Your comrades got your back!
 
Nail on the head. The poor is getting poorer, the middleclass will become the new poor.

But of course. I would LOVE a job where other people work, and you don't have to be worried about being fired for screwing up. Your comrades got your back!
Till the next polokwane or next yoof league drunken orgy :-P
 
Guys, not defending Eskom here, esp after they messed up my billing the last 3 months. Who know what phantom billing they will provide after the increases, but anyway lets consider a few things:

1. Eskoms revenue from billing all customers is about R30-40 Billion. To build 1 power station costs, I dont know, about R80 Bill at least?. So surely the are raising funds via other means such as issuing bonds. The increase probably serves to contribute to infrastructure, but more importantly help service debt as a result of raising funds.

2. We have enjoyed electricity at probably some of the lowest prices in the world. Surely this cannot be sustainable. Granted Eskom fsked up by only waking up now. Had marginal prices increases happened 10 years back, we would not be feeling the pinch of 45% increases every year. Something tells me however that the ANC probably forced Eskom to keep prices low all those years to get votes.

3. I think its just ridiculous the municipalities add another increase to Eskoms increase. So some people pay more electricity than other.

4 Eskom should be made to answer about providing electricity to Zim, and wheter they are paying or not

5. Lastly, a 26% increase to the CEO of a company in trouble urgently needing public support is a slap in the face to the consumers of SA.
 
2. We have enjoyed electricity at probably some of the lowest prices in the world. Surely this cannot be sustainable. Granted Eskom fsked up by only waking up now. Had marginal prices increases happened 10 years back, we would not be feeling the pinch of 45% increases every year. Something tells me however that the ANC probably forced Eskom to keep prices low all those years to get votes.

Everybody keeps stating this as fact when it seems to be more propaganda than anything else. Residential rates at least are currently higher than equivalent rates in other markets e.g. the US where costs are presumably higher.
 
2. We have enjoyed electricity at probably some of the lowest prices in the world. Surely this cannot be sustainable. Granted Eskom fsked up by only waking up now. Had marginal prices increases happened 10 years back, we would not be feeling the pinch of 45% increases every year. Something tells me however that the ANC probably forced Eskom to keep prices low all those years to get votes.
If you convert between currencies then it's obvious. A can of coke can set you back R30 overseas.

But as a percentage of the average household income, we're starting to lag far behind. The average income in SA is a lot lower than the average income in many other countries.
 
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