'Nationalise Motsepe's wealth'

"We strongly believe that our National Democratic Revolution (NDR) as encapsulated in the Freedom Charter was never meant to reproduce or replace a white capitalist class with a black capitalist class or co-opt connected politicians to join exploiters."

He said the NDR has always been "anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist".
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Funny thing is that so far the ANC has been clearly following the capitalist route. I wonder when the alliance is going to break?
 
Do these fools realise what will happen as soon as anyone seriously considers that? That money will be transfered so fast out this country.....
 
THey found a new Buzz word.

Nationalize.

It's counter revolutionary not to Nationalize..
 
The salaries of white South Africans had grown by 83% from 1995 to 2008 while those of black South Africans only grew by 38%, he said.
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Man, I would love to know where the heck these figures come from.
 
But they do have a point regarding the growing inequality in society; this is a problem not only in South Africa. Nationalisation is evidently not the best response, as mentioned before all it will achieve is to drive the money out of the country, but this also does not mean that the situation can be ignored.

There are many idealised answers, mostly centred around improving access to education and taking a longer term viewpoint but this does not address the immediate problem of a dissatisfied public. Mining is hard work, it may not be very skilled work, but I can sympathise with miners who feel that the state of affairs is unfair.
 
davemc said:
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Man, I would love to know where the heck these figures come from.
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Did you not see the figures are just the reverse of the other...;)

I thought Shipox said it was going sooooo well with the poor in this country and that the gap between rich and poor decreased. :confused:
 
EvilDarkElf said:
But they do have a point regarding the growing inequality in society; this is a problem not only in South Africa. Nationalization is evidently not the best response, as mentioned before all it will achieve is to drive the money out of the country, but this also does not mean that the situation can be ignored.

There are many idealized answers, mostly centered around improving access to education and taking a longer term viewpoint but this does not address the immediate problem of a dissatisfied public. Mining is hard work, it may not be very skilled work, but I can sympathize with miners who feel that the state of affairs is unfair.
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I have a problem with all of this. If the persons wealth was gained by exploitation and criminal means, then by all means prove it in a court of law and take it away. If a person worked hard for their money, seized opportunities as they presented themselves and effectively made their wealth or the origin of their inherited wealth is clean, then leave them the f*** alone.

The world is not equal. People are NOT equal. Some are smarter than others and can do more needed trades than others and are in high demand. This is life and business. A gifted surgeon gets paid well for what he does because he is one of the few that can do what he can do. He is compensated for his talents.

On the other hand, the exploitation Mofo's should get whats coming to them. I won't mention a certain neighbor.
 
Kosmik said:
I have a problem with all of this. If the persons wealth was gained by exploitation and criminal means, then by all means prove it in a court of law and take it away. If a person worked hard for their money, seized opportunities as they presented themselves and effectively made their wealth or the origin of their inherited wealth is clean, then leave them the f*** alone.

The world is not equal. People are NOT equal. Some are smarter than others and can do more needed trades than others and are in high demand. This is life and business. A gifted surgeon gets paid well for what he does because he is one of the few that can do what he can do. He is compensated for his talents.

On the other hand, the exploitation Mofo's should get whats coming to them. I won't mention a certain neighbor.
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+1

But the source...
 
Kosmik said:
I have a problem with all of this. If the persons wealth was gained by exploitation and criminal means, then by all means prove it in a court of law and take it away. If a person worked hard for their money, seized opportunities as they presented themselves and effectively made their wealth or the origin of their inherited wealth is clean, then leave them the f*** alone.

The world is not equal. People are NOT equal. Some are smarter than others and can do more needed trades than others and are in high demand. This is life and business. A gifted surgeon gets paid well for what he does because he is one of the few that can do what he can do. He is compensated for his talents.

On the other hand, the exploitation Mofo's should get whats coming to them. I won't mention a certain neighbor.
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Problem is in sexwhale's case its on the back of consolidated bee deals x a lot as he was the preferred guy to turn to by the previous admin.
 
krycor said:
Problem is in sexwhale's case its on the back of consolidated bee deals x a lot as he was the preferred guy to turn to by the previous admin.
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Why was he prefered though? To get the job done right/best for the job? Or a backhand?

Each option leads down a different path and a different response.
 
Ngobese said Bhorat confirmed that whilst inequalities had risen amongst black South Africans, the growth of white South Africans salaries between 1995 and 2008 surpasses by far the growth of salaries amongst black South Africans.

The salaries of white South Africans had grown by 83% from 1995 to 2008 while those of black South Africans only grew by 38%, he said.
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Well this is in spite of their racist social engineering initiatives (AA/BEE) so they can't really complain about it but I'm sure they'll still find a way to blame Apartheid. Are those nominal or real figures?
 
Nominal. Or bull****. Window dressing from the retards.

As for nationalising Mr Rich Black's money, I can't really emphasise how great an idea that is. At least the real oppressors will face some music.

Oops, forget, this isn't lalalalaland.
 
Arbiter said:
Nominal. Or bull****. Window dressing from the retards.

As for nationalising Mr Rich Black's money, I can't really emphasise how great an idea that is. At least the real oppressors will face some music.

Oops, forget, this isn't lalalalaland.
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I'd like to see how they arrived at those stats. If they are real, I'd assume they'd have to be, then the salaries of black SA'ns are improving anyway, even if not at the same level.
 
Kosmik said:
Why was he prefered though? To get the job done right/best for the job? Or a backhand?

Each option leads down a different path and a different response.
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You see that is the grey area between legitimate income derived from hard work + intelligence + competency and people who benefited because they knew and supported the right people. There is also some limit to how much value any 1 person can add to a process/company. I don't pretend to know what that limit is, but there is some sense on this forum that e.g. ESKOM's executives receive more than they are worth. They have done nothing, as far as we know, that is impeachable in a court of law, but many people feel that they have not earned their pay and that this is wrong/morally objectionable/whatever and I for one will not argue with them.

The point that I would like to make is that whether it is justified or not, a general perception that something is wrong is in itself a problem.

Apart from that, I make a decent living, but that is only because I went to a good school and had the opportunity to study further. That off course goes with the understanding that education is important and a sense of entitlement gets you nowhere, but we also agree that hard work is necessary and should be rewarded. Unfortunately, if one looks past the legions with an attitude that the world owes them something, there are many uneducated but hard working individuals who struggle to feed their families and I have a large amount of sympathy for them. That does not mean that they are entitled to the same privilege as those who work hard AND are well qualified and competent, but living a life with some dignity is surely a due reward for any job (that requires doing) done well.
 
EvilDarkElf said:
Unfortunately, if one looks past the legions with an attitude that the world owes them something, there are many uneducated but hard working individuals who struggle to feed their families and I have a large amount of sympathy for them. That does not mean that they are entitled to the same privilege as those who work hard AND are well qualified and competent, but living a life with some dignity is surely a due reward for any job (that requires doing) done well.
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I agree with you but every reason stated in this article does not show that anyone has any right to his money. Examples:

"This obscene and massive wealth is being reported by the Sunday Times in the midst of the revelations that South Africa has apparently taken over Brazil as the most unequal country in the world ever," said spokesperson Castro Ngobese.
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Not valid.

"Why should such massive wealth be in the hands of private individuals?" asked Ngobese.
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Sounds like a spoilt child jealous of someone else's toys.

If they said that maybe he earned the wealth by exploiting the poor miners then OK, they have a point as those conditions are deplorable. But nothing above, gives them the right in my book.
 
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