Capetalk Telkom interview: billing for unanswered calls

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I just heard that tomorrow on the Lisa Chait show on Cape Talk starting at 13h00, there will (hopefully) be an interview with Telkom on allegations that people are getting billed for numbers that are engaged or just ringing.
This issue is quite old, but might be interesting nevertheless.

Cape Talk do have streaming audio now. Open this link directly in your media player:
http://www.antfarm.co.za/clients/capetalk/capetalk_16.asx
 
Telkom billed me R7-50 for an incompletely dialled cellular number. Of course they're biling people for phoning engaged numbers. Thanks for the link
 
I got billed R90 for a reconnection fee and I didn't even know I'd been disconnected - I paid part of my bill and arranged to pay the rest at the end of the month, which I did, but it seems Telkom disconnected my land line regardless (which I don't use - I only use the ADSL portion) and reconnected it (which I was unaware of)

Nice eh ?
 
I just remembered this topic of billing people for dial tone/phoning engaged numbers/numbers that just ring has been raised before on the rude awakening during Dec 2001 on 94.7 highveld stereo. Telkom denied this of course. This thing keeps recurring which means Telkom is even more criminal and scaley than I thought
 
A couple of years ago this was a topic of discussion. Parliament repeated asked Telkom if they could do an independent audit to see if Telkom was charging for such calls. For months, Telkom refused. Eventually, Telkom had to do something about the building pressure, and so Telkom conducted their own-commission audit. Here is a report of that audit:

"TELKOM-AUDIT

PRETORIA 27 October 1999 Sapa

AUDIT SHOWS UNANSWERED OR ENGAGED CALLS COST NOTHING:TELKOM

An independent audit proved beyond doubt that engaged or unanswered
telephone calls cost the consumer nothing, Telkom said in Pretoria
on Wednesday.

It said in a statement this emerged from 11100 calls made by an
outside company commissioned to do the audit.

The team logged the time, date, duration and status of each call,
and checked these against detailed billing printouts supplied by
Telkom.

"The entire exercise revealed that each of the calls billed for had
been answered, either by a device or by a recipient who had lifted
a handset while the caller was already replacing a handset,"
Telkom said.

"Customers are only billed for the time they spent communicating
across our network ... and not for unanswered or engaged calls."

Telkom said 1,34 percent of the 111000 calls were logged as
enganged or unanswered.

These were made to answering machines, numbers connected to modems,
alarm systems, faulty customer equipment, Telkom's diversion
service or to another call-forwarding facility.

Some PBX systems answered calls immediately and then supplied their
own ring or busy tone, Telkom said.

"Some callers, not realising that the call has indeed been
answered, terminate the call without speaking to anyone, and later
query that fact that they have been billed."

Telkom said some calls lasting between one and five seconds were
found to have been answered by voice-mail. These were registered
as successful calls, and were billed accordingly.

The audit was commissioned in response to persistent accusations
that Telkom billed customers for engaged and unanswered calls.

A spokeswoman declined to reveal the cost of the audit."


Funny, if Telkom was so confident that they were not charging for these calls, then why wouldn't they allow parliament to appoint auditors? Why did Telkom run and hide and then commission their own auditors to do this study?

This is an old issue, but it seems to be coming up more and more in the public again.
 
What probably happens is that someone makes a call, and 5 ms after the voicemail / whatever picks up, they think "sod it" and hang up. But Telskom registers this as a successful call, and bills, for a local call, 59.4c.

Now what gets me is that this 59.4c is equivalent to 89 seconds of per-second billing. So for almost the first minute and a half of a call, the per-second billing rate is meaningless. A very clever incentive to make people talk longer and thus generate more profits for Telskom. But for people who insist on making short calls, well, you are being schtupped bigtime.

Another reason why I use my cellphone for 95% of my calls these days.
 
I was wanting to know:

You know when you phone some one and they are engaged, and there is some Telkom ringback service. Do you get charged when you hear this message? Or is it only if you decide to use the ring back service?

Cheers, Nick
 
Mean_Monster said:
How can one be charged for a 1 second duration call?

Because Telkom has a minimum charge of 59.4c for a sucessfully connected call, even if it is only 1 second long.
 
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