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brooko

21-05-2005, 09:08 PM

With the introduction of mobile phones like the Nokia N91, which includes 3G capabilities, Wi-Fi, a 2 Megapixel Camera, a 4GB Hard Drive, Hi-Fi / Headphone Output and a USB2 PC Interface, it is easy to envisage the potential of this new service. This is a quote from the artical about the new HSDPA service.

Its just a thought but with this 4gb hdd and ultra fast 3g capability, wouldn't it be possible to download a linux distro/movie/other large download using your phone, and only your phone while on the move. Then when you get back to the office(or home) your cd image/movie/whatever, which has finnished downloading with the help of the nice 2Mbit connection, can be transferred off the phone onto your computer to be used there???...

Crash

21-05-2005, 09:37 PM

Don't see why not. Probably kill the battery before the download of a linux distro is finished though :p

magus

22-05-2005, 08:23 AM

Don't see why not. Probably kill the battery before the download of a linux distro is finished though :p

Buy a car charger at the traffic light on the corner wof William Nicoll and the highway. Don't even have to switch off the engine. :cool:

brooko

22-05-2005, 02:08 PM

Well for a 700MB iso, +-716800KB downloading at 2Mbit(+-240kb/s) it should take 2987 seconds to complete, or just under 50min to complete a full 700MB iso download...Now thats IMPRESSIVE, now if it took you a long time to get to work in the mornings you could d/load a whole copy of ubuntu linux onto ur cell phone while stuck in traffic:D ready to install when u get in...

brooko

22-05-2005, 02:10 PM

i wounder if the N91 will support this sort of functionality... the battery should last the length of the download if its only 50min of hard work....

diabolus

23-05-2005, 11:30 AM

The day i download a Linux Distro on my cellphone will probably the same day Telkom stops charging for leasing their ADSL lines....at R0.60 p/MB i seriously doubt i'll ever consider using the 4GB for anything other than transfering data from my PC.

Sorry for sounding negative, but somewhere the price outweighs the speed.

diabolus

23-05-2005, 12:32 PM

Indeed, as i've mentioned elsewhere relating to the whole Streaming of TV channels on 3G, the only thing i will go for is a Blackberry type of 'flatrate' subscription. I would expect if such a thing as streaming TV became reality, Vodacom/MTN/Sentech will be required to set up dedicated networks/bandwidth/towers -just- for that [thus as user if you want TV you actually log onto a different network sort of].

Essentially Vodacom will probably have to be broadcasting content to the entire 'streaming' network, whether there are recipients or not, thus making it viable not to charge p/MB but a simple monthly fee [like MNet or DSTV].

As for high speed large downloads, no idea how they can get around that, other than dropping prices. I don't expect that to happen though, instead i do expect for video/streaming services via mentioned 'dedicated' network at a monthly subscription will be a more practical direction to go for [but still won't be downloading ISOs from there though].

brooko

23-05-2005, 03:14 PM

costly yes:(, but still worth a try, just for curiosity's sake:D

The whole t.v thing could also be interesting, does anyone know when it will all be possible???

UnUnOctium

23-05-2005, 10:47 PM

umm, this brings possibility of VoIP on cellphone so vodacom wont make data cheaper than phone calls in the long run

vodacom3g

27-05-2005, 01:42 PM

Upload will be 384Kb/s, so Harley79 can start drooling.

I suspect the cards will be same price or at least will be supplied under same contracts as the current cards.

The Siemens card does not come with WiFi, but there might be other cards by the end of the year with WiFi.

wamatt

29-05-2005, 03:44 PM

Anyone know which areas it will be rolled out first?
Will it work with existing 3g equipment?

vodacom3g

29-05-2005, 04:00 PM

wamatt

29-05-2005, 06:10 PM

Cool, exciting stuff. HSDPA products are pretty scarce. Found this one

http://www.sierrawireless.com/ProductsOrdering/ac8x0.asp

But no shipping date.

Will anything change on the billing side of things for existing 3G users? Or can you just plug in an HSDPA device and start working away once the software upgrade takes place?

vodacom3g

29-05-2005, 06:54 PM

Nothing's been finalised, but I suspect that's how it will work, i.e. you pay for the data, irrespective of the access speed, just like you do today for GPRS/3G, it'll just become GPRS/EDGE/3G/HSDPA.

See attached data sheet on the Siemens Data Card. This is the one we used to do the demos with.

PS. Cannot upload the file, too large (80K). Will beg RPM for bigger attachments :)

vodacom3g

30-05-2005, 06:07 PM

Will do. Any specific reason? (Outside of perving at small, tight plugs? :) )

VMS

30-05-2005, 08:39 PM

What is wrong with soldering? Some good flux, magnum soldering iron and 3 brandy and cokes to stabilize the hand and you are ready to solder a 50 ohm link. I am actually going to desolder a 240 pin FPGA and resolder another with 0.5 mm pitch in about 30 minutes (with a 50 watt iron and a big tip). Maybe I should post pictures of that?

Seriously I agree with the photos. The connector on the Novatel card is a beauty. Easy to insert and remove. But the little rascal on the Option card has given me endless trouble removing on other systems.

The people at the Vodashop gave me the wrong antenna because to them an antenna was just an antenna. Maybe they should get a few pictures.

VMS

Radimpe

24-06-2005, 07:22 PM

It seems a little concerning that the software and firmware upgrades only refer to Novatel. Why cant I find the same for my option card. It seems that the option card is not that well supported.

vodacom3g

25-06-2005, 12:07 AM

Could have sworn I put the link in the FAQ. It's there now.

Most of the software is available via ftp from omnisol.co.za. Note there is no HTTP support. This is a temp place I'm using to make the software available to the forum while the Vodacom FTP servers come online.

FTP as anonymous and cd to pub/download.

Sidelong

01-07-2005, 09:46 AM

I just had the same issue with the antennas from Vodashop - they gave me a Novatel one instead of the Option one. I think those pictures of each antenna would be v useful. Perhaps they could be on the FAQ and sent to the shoppes :)

vodacom3g

14-08-2005, 10:24 AM

These actually are DUN error numbers: 619 means : "Port disconnected"

Although the description is correct, it's not very helpful, as a fair number of problems could have caused the disconnect, so we need to debug all the steps along the path to a successful connect.

Newb-lite

01-09-2005, 11:28 AM

Hey folks ... whats our upload and download speeds? i cant find it on vodacoms site , and i dunno the exact figures.

vodacom3g

01-09-2005, 11:55 AM

The current 3G speeds are 384Kb/s down and 64Kb/s up.

GPRS depends on the Coding Scheme but could be up to about 70Kb/s.

Newb-lite

01-09-2005, 11:58 AM

Many thanx v3g

jbad

18-09-2005, 12:34 AM

Thanks IC - so if I understand you correctly, I must put my 3G simcard into my cell phone and then the cell phone will display the 2G or 3G siggnal :)

3g_rox

19-09-2005, 02:38 PM

Your 2G cell phone might be set to not display the cellid, if you have a Nokia cell phone, look for a setting similar to:
"Cell Info Display"
and make sure it is enabled.

Both Motorola hides their Cell Broadcast under Messages | Info Services. Jbad, if you need info on setting up a Motorola phone to display Cell Broadcast, let me know and I will post info here.

rpm

20-09-2005, 10:06 PM

Hi V3G and others

After testing V3G for a while at my work and home I am thinking of getting it for personal use, but am hesitant to purchase it now since the new HSDPA cards are due soon. To the best of my knowledge these cards will also be EDGE enabled.

Any feedback on this? Should I wait?

Regards,

RPM

vodacom3g

20-09-2005, 10:19 PM

The HSDPA cards will support EDGE. If you want to wait, maybe pre-paid bundles (days now!) and a 6680 or other 3G phone as a modem?

rpm

20-09-2005, 11:45 PM

Hi V3G and IC

Thanks for the feedback.

I don't like to use mobile phones for connectivity :( I will wait for the HSDPA card...worth the wait I hope.

Regards,

RPM

vodacom3g

21-09-2005, 06:51 AM

Think you guys are advocating different scenarios here.

Scrnscrm (and ic) advocates using a phone as a modem while rpm (and myself) prefer a dedicated datacard. Each to his own. :)

I don't think we'll see HSDPA handsets soon, or at least we'll see HSDPA cards first.

Tazz_Tux

21-09-2005, 07:32 AM

I don't think we'll see HSDPA handsets soon, or at least we'll see HSDPA cards first.

Can't Wait !!!
:D

martin

21-09-2005, 10:53 AM

This is probably a very dumb questions but am I correct in assuming that the HSPA cards will support 3G?

martin

21-09-2005, 12:16 PM

HSDPA is actually 3G, it's just "3G on steroids", so yes an HSDPA data card or phone should be backwards compatible with a 3G tower that has not been upgraded to HSDPA.

Thanks, exactly what I wanted to know

Newb-lite

21-09-2005, 12:18 PM

one other question ... will we have to get new datacards that do the hsdpa thingy or will our current ones (like the novatel for eg.) just use new software or firmware or something?

jbad

21-09-2005, 12:36 PM

How do I unlock 910 Sony Ericsson to read the Cellids. If I know how it will be like a puzzle opening :confused:

Newb-lite

21-09-2005, 02:20 PM

damn .. so that will mean we have to splash out a ton o cash for new cards , with the old ones becomming useless... that kinda sucks

AntiThesis

21-09-2005, 03:29 PM

While we're doing the question thing and have some experts on hook, what's the best phone to use for mobile connectivity (unofficially - wouldn't want you busted for punting a certain brand) and is there any point to any of the new fangled technolog in somewhere like East London? (read technological backwater) :D

IceQB

23-09-2005, 09:25 PM

Will u have get a new connect card? Or will your old card be software upgradeable?

IceQB

23-09-2005, 09:54 PM

oooops. didnt c this post!!!
soz

ScrnScrm

24-09-2005, 11:52 AM

Yeah, I think ScrnScrm has won me over to the dark side of the connectivity matrix - using a super-dooper cellery phone for mobile connectivity will be worth waiting for IMO :).

hehehehehe. Yip, and I still standby by my convictions on this one. I loaded the Nokia PC Suite 6.6 last week and it has improved the phone connectivity even more. The bluetooth connection is now totally seemless - you just click the Nokia internet icon on the task bar and voila you are connected, as long as your phone is in the vicinity of your (bluetooth enabled) notebook. No card to plug in, no extra weight to carry around, no funny red thing sticking out the side of my notebook that i have to pack away when i put my notebook away :)

As a matter of interest, I spent the last week travelling with a colleague who uses his data card as primary connection method. We kept hitting areas where there was no 3G coverage, and the phone just kills the datacards in this case scenario (EDGE). Mid week he configured his 6630 same as me and dumped his data card... Oh, and I got consistently better throughput on 3G than he was getting on his card sitting next to me... I am convinced that the power moulation on cell phones is much much better...

I will consider a datacard when : they support all 4 technologies (GPRS, EDGE, WCDMA and HSDPA/HSUPA), when the software on them is sorted out, and when they are less bulky (and I dont want to have to ever remove it from my notebook). Until then...
Cheers ~

diabolus

24-09-2005, 06:59 PM

So the chances are 99% of all current 3G contract users will have to buy this card cash as no one's contract will be upgradable before at minimum Dec 2006.

I'm just wondering what Voda's marketing strategy will be? Will this be aimed at new customers [people who have not signed up yet] only? Or will there actually be some sort of movement to get current 3G users to go over to HSDPA too?

asmith

25-09-2005, 10:06 PM

Are the networks able to handle folks connected at 2Meg end to end? If not what is the advantage of HSDPA?

martin

26-09-2005, 05:06 PM

simsam7

30-09-2005, 09:45 AM

Mmmm... okay, unless Vodacom has absolutely no 3G towers in Pretoria Central to Pretoria East, the cellid thing doesn't seem to work. :-(

I bought a Vodacom prepaid yesterday and spent most of the morning walking and driving around waiting to find Vodacom "3G Enabled" cellid info to display on my phone. Got nothing, but, whenever (and actually "wherever" too) I plugged in my MTN card, I got "Y'ello Broadband".

Am I doing it wrong? From the different postings to these Forums, it seems that Vodacom has got slightly more patchy but faster connections and MTN has got, shall I use the word "ubiquitous" :-P coverage, but slower?

Right or wrong?

Tallboy

11-10-2005, 12:47 PM

ajax

11-10-2005, 01:05 PM

Is there a way I can force my Nokia 6680 to use a 3G signal. At home I don’t get a consistent 3G signal. I’ve heard of netmonitor but as I understand it is a “hidden feature” and may not even be installed on the phone.

Download the app from here:
http://www.symbian-freak.com/quides/netmon.htm

Install the .sis file on your phone using pc suite. In the manager on your phone you have to set the phone to accept software installations or permissions (or something like that, I can't remember now) otherwise it won't install fully.

Once installed there will be a "test" menu on your phone. Scroll to menu 81-1 in test and change the value there to 2 which is WCDMA only.

As netmonitor or test menu only gives GSM signal strengths, there's also a 3G signal monitor called celltrack. Download the sis file here:

http://www.afischer-online.de/sos/celltrack/

Tallboy

11-10-2005, 07:05 PM

Download the app from here:
http://www.symbian-freak.com/quides/netmon.htm
...
As netmonitor or test menu only gives GSM signal strengths, there's also a 3G signal monitor called celltrack. Download the sis file here:

http://www.afischer-online.de/sos/celltrack/

:) Thanks, works like charm!

adsl3g

11-10-2005, 07:34 PM

vodacom3g

11-10-2005, 09:02 PM

I've asked the guys to check out the cell-broadcast in Pta.

Mams

20-10-2005, 11:11 AM

Hi Vodacom 3G: I need the latest dashboard.
Checked your link: http://168.210.128.126/packages/3g/downloads.aspx -
the link is dead....
pls help asap

fingers121

20-10-2005, 11:58 AM

Hi Vodacom 3G: I need the latest dashboard.
Checked your link: http://168.210.128.126/packages/3g/downloads.aspx -
the link is dead....
pls help asap

Try http://www.vodacom.co.za/packages/3g/downloads.jsp, worked for me...:D

bruceahibbert

08-11-2005, 11:07 AM

V3G,

Any concrete ideas floating around Vodacom yet on release date for HSDPA; also what cards are likely to be offered and ballpark costs?

Bruce

vodacom3g

08-11-2005, 11:46 AM

The trail network is going live as we speak. Although the commercial launch is slated for somewhere in December, we'll probably see commercial rollout only ramping up in Q1-2006, mostly driven by data card availability.

Expect the data cards to be around the same price bracket as the current 3G ones. I need to check on brand names but suspect it will be the Option cards.

bruceahibbert

08-11-2005, 01:56 PM

Thanks, V3G. You guys have been so quiet about 3G on steroids that I'd begun to suspect the latter part of 2006 as possible launch date despite knowing that Vodacom has done a lot of work on the towers already. If you could "persuade" the techies to really try to smash the smashboard software I think we might appreciate that as it has been a major irritation with many of us with the 3G release.

Bruce

Tahir Ally

08-11-2005, 08:31 PM

HSDPA data cards will be available before HSDPA phones.Currently no handset maker has a HSDPA phone.But we should start seeing them in the middle of 2006.

vodacom3g

08-11-2005, 09:13 PM

If you could "persuade" the techies to really try to smash the smashboard software I think we might appreciate that as it has been a major irritation with many of us with the 3G release.

It's pretty much up to the suppliers now, the network is ready, it only needs to load the new software (to be supplied by the network vendor) and get the cards (supplied by the card manufacturers) into the user community.

Veroland

09-11-2005, 07:29 AM

Is there any place where we can find more info on HSDPA?

Farquaon

09-11-2005, 07:58 AM

High Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) is a packet-based data service in W-CDMA downlink with data transmission up to 8-10 Mbps (and 20 Mbps for MIMO systems) over a 5MHz bandwidth in WCDMA downlink. HSDPA implementations includes Adaptive Modulation and Coding (AMC), Multiple-Input Multiple-Output (MIMO), Hybrid Automatic Request (HARQ), fast cell search, and advanced receiver design.

In 3rd generation partnership project (3GPP) standards, Release 4 specifications provide efficient IP support enabling provision of services through an all-IP core network and Release 5 specifications focus on HSDPA to provide data rates up to approximately 10 Mbps to support packet-based multimedia services. MIMO systems are the work item in Release 6 specifications, which will support even higher data transmission rates up to 20 Mbps. HSDPA is evolved from and backward compatible with Release 99 WCDMA systems.

Newb-lite

09-11-2005, 12:59 PM

one ques:
When this comes out ... will current contract package guys be given an option to upgrade to hsdpa before contract end , or will we need to wait out our 2 years , and then up our contracts??

vodacom3g

09-11-2005, 01:18 PM

Is there any place where we can find more info on HSDPA?

Technical Info? Try:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA

Mams

10-11-2005, 08:33 AM

On MTN forum they say that MTN has ( or is getting ) Sierra Wireless Aircard 850 which is GPRS/EDGE/3G/HSDPA ( upto 1.8Mbps ) ...
Why dont u guys get that card? sounds good..check:
http://www.sierrawireless.com/ProductsOrdering/ac8x0.asp

Mams

10-11-2005, 08:55 AM

ajax

10-11-2005, 09:15 AM

Reallllllllllllllly interesting card! download the PDF datasheet from the site...
UMTS with HSDPA: 1.8Mbps down 384Kbps up
Edge 216 down 108 up
Superior radio for fringe coverage use and has a removable external antenna

Simulatanious Voice and Data ( voice available Q1/06 ) ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?
3G video support ( WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ??? via your pc/laptop? how?)

Hmm, I'm starting to druel over this one. It seems if you wanna do a couple of hundred megs a month, you have to charge the 6680's battery too often for my liking :rolleyes:

I suppose Gauteng will get HSDPA first, then CT? Wondering about Stellensbosch...
V3g, any comments on planned coverage or rollout?

vodacom3g

10-11-2005, 10:42 AM

The new generation of cards will all support GPRS/EDGE/3G/HSDPA.

Some of the new 3G terminals allows a concurrent voice and data connection, so you should be able to make a voice call while browsing.

Again, the data cards can make CS calls, so you can do a video conference from your laptop to another laptop or a handset. This functionality will be included in a future release of the VMC.

bruceahibbert

10-11-2005, 11:07 AM

I certainly hope that when we get cards they have a higher threshold than 1.8 Mbps. Once the technology is working stably i expect the upper threshold to increase rapidly and to be stuck with a card that can do max 2 Mbps when the threshold becomes 5 within a year or so is going to be fatal. Voice call using IP or current phone technology? Certainly this gets more and more interesting.

Bruce

ajax

10-11-2005, 11:13 AM

Once the technology is working stably i expect the upper threshold to increase rapidly and to be stuck with a card that can do max 2 Mbps when the threshold becomes 5 within a year or so is going to be fatal.
Wouldn't the cards be firmware upgradeable to higher speeds?

bekdik

10-11-2005, 11:17 AM

Have a look at:

http://www.mobilepipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=173500127

Field trials of HSDPA have confirmed that technology's cellular data speeds of more than 1 Mbps, but it is subject to problems that can significantly degrade those speeds, Motorola acknowledged in a report it released Monday.

3GisDaMan

10-11-2005, 01:44 PM

So, current 3G users, what wil happen to us when the new technology comes out?

Do we get an upgrade card for free because we acted as testers even though we paid for the service?

Can we just upgrade our current cards with software for free because we acted as testers even though we paid for the service?

Do we have to wait untill our contracts expire before we can upgrade, because we acted as testers even though we paid for the service?

:confused:

vodacom3g

10-11-2005, 04:00 PM

Firstly, the current cards won't be upgradeable as it's a hardware upgrade to HSDPA.

In general, see the data cards as another type of handset. You get a unit on contract and after the contract expires, you can get a new unit under a new contract. If you want to upgrade while still in the contract period, you normally can, by paying some kind of upgrade fee.

A stated, the above is how normal handsets work. I'll see what I can find regarding a data card upgrade, but I suspect it's going to be similar.

Bundy2005

13-11-2005, 10:38 AM

vodacom3g

13-11-2005, 12:19 PM

I'll check what the SE statement implies but I'll be very surprised if the phone supports HSDPA ot is upgradable to HSDPA as it requires different hardware.

Can you post the URL?

3g_rox

13-11-2005, 12:59 PM

A question that was asked earlier in this discussion about the availability of hsdpa phones. Is the Sony ericsson V600 not able to, as the specifications for that phone say that the modem is unlimeted 3g. The Sonyericsson site says and repeats itself " NO LIMITS-3G " does this actually mean it will support the hsdpa speeds or not? :confused:

From what I can see on both the below sites, the specs state that the UMT modem for this phone caters for 384kbps data and not HSDPA.

http://mobile.softpedia.com/phones/Sony-Ericsson/Sony-Ericsson-V600.shtml
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_v600-1189.php

Bundy2005

13-11-2005, 04:21 PM

I'll check what the SE statement implies but I'll be very surprised if the phone supports HSDPA ot is upgradable to HSDPA as it requires different hardware.

Can you post the URL?

Hi vodacom3g this is the direct url for this phone i agree with 3grox those sites are informative but for your average internet user will go to the sony ericson website when trying to find out about the phone this is where they have made this statement (Lets think basics.)
One of the sites under Genral dont even menssion the umts function untill modems they also state that it only has 256 colours on the screen. The sony ericsson site says that it has 262,144 tft,I know it dosnt actually say hsdpa but how many networks around the world use hsdpa 3,5G.

http://www.sonyericson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp1_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10290

nextstep

19-11-2005, 08:40 AM

How about updating the URL's of the links to the Vodacom site? Most of those no longer work ...

thanks!

Fenwick

26-11-2005, 03:19 PM

"Do I still need an ISP?: No Vodacom GRPS/EDGE/3G is your network connection."

Does Vodacom do EDGE?

By the way, if not why not?

vodacom3g

26-11-2005, 05:18 PM

Thanks ic, FAQ updated with EDGE info...:o

cyberbob

25-12-2005, 09:33 AM

I see that the new cards will support 3G, EDGE and GPRS too.

@v3g ... any idea if Vodacom might offer some kind of trade in option on existing 3G users for the datacards? I'd love to get the new HSDPA running, but with over a year still to run on my current contract, I wouldn't be upgrading anytime soon.

vodacom3g

25-12-2005, 05:10 PM

The data cards are treated the exact same way as handsets, i.e. you can do an early upgrade via your SP. Best to call them for pricing.

TaiRoss

26-12-2005, 06:23 PM

Where are the new cards avalable from? And do you guys have an idea of the cost?

vodacom3g

26-12-2005, 08:38 PM

We're still awaiting the HSDPA data cards :(

TaiRoss

26-12-2005, 08:44 PM

We're still awaiting the HSDPA data cards :(

Thanks Vodacom3G but is there any more info available such as 1. Specification and 2. Cost etc

Thanks

vodacom3g

26-12-2005, 09:14 PM

Will get and post specs soonest. I suspect pricing will be the same as current data cards.

TaiRoss

26-12-2005, 09:17 PM

Will get and post specs soonest. I suspect pricing will be the same as current data cards.

Thanks Vodacom3g

cyberbob

26-12-2005, 10:25 PM

Will get and post specs soonest. I suspect pricing will be the same as current data cards.

@v3g ... any word on those cards that the Signal Meter is supposed to support? does it need to support the new HSDPA cards too? :D

vodacom3g

26-12-2005, 10:34 PM

As subtle as an air raid siren...:)

I'll get a set in the new year for you to play with.

cyberbob

27-12-2005, 09:19 AM

As subtle as an air raid siren...:)

yeah, I do need to refine that a bit :rolleyes:

SoTrue

28-12-2005, 06:18 PM

Would it be possible to software upgrade 3G handsets e.g. Sony Ericsson V800 to make use of the HSDPA service?

vodacom3g

28-12-2005, 08:46 PM

No, HSDPA requires specific hardware, so if the phone was not designed as a HSDPA device you won't be able to upgrade it.

jpd

09-01-2006, 03:10 PM

Some questions re HSPDA:

1. Is Vodacom on track to launch a commercial service by mid Jan?
2. At launch date will all current 3G towers be upgraded to support HSPDA?
3. Will pricing be the same as the current 3G pricing?
4. Will the current Vodafone Connect Data Card/3G Router be compatible with HSPDA or will one need to aquire new hardware? I read somewhere that a firmware upgrade is all that will be required.
5. Any idea on the initial throughput speed? 1 Mbs has been mentioned on this forum but HSPDA supports faster throughput than that.

Many thanks

cyberbob

09-01-2006, 03:12 PM

I think the firmware upgrade will only help with the router, as for the current 3G data card, that would have to be replaced :p

nic777

09-01-2006, 06:07 PM

I second question number 5:

What will be the download AND upload speeds?

Will we get a better upload speed than 3G's 64kb/s ?

Thanks

TMoose

09-01-2006, 06:53 PM

Here's a tip for Vodacom: give me a faster than 192kbps connection with more than 3GB capacity for less than R400 and I'm yours. I'll cancel my ADSL tomorrow.

vodacom3g

09-01-2006, 07:21 PM

1. Is Vodacom on track to launch a commercial service by mid Jan?

Depending on the availability of the data cards in decent quantities, yes. A fair number of towers are already HSDPA.

2. At launch date will all current 3G towers be upgraded to support HSPDA?

Rollout will typically follow a 'most active first' process, with backhaul upgrades being the limiting factor.

3. Will pricing be the same as the current 3G pricing?

At least it will be the same.

4. Will the current Vodafone Connect Data Card/3G Router be compatible with HSPDA or will one need to acquire new hardware? I read somewhere that a firmware upgrade is all that will be required.

HSDPA needs new hardware, so it means a new card/phone.

5. Any idea on the initial throughput speed? 1 Mbs has been mentioned on this forum but HSPDA supports faster throughput than that.

We've tested up to 2Mb/s in the downlink and (I think) 384Kb/s in the uplink. Practical speeds will be closer to 1.5Mb/s in the downlink.

Tahir Ally

09-01-2006, 08:22 PM

Vodafone mobile connect data cards are already in SHORT SUPPLY

cyberbob

09-01-2006, 10:52 PM

I can't wait for HSDPA ... only thing I'm worried about is 1.5MB speeds with a 1GB package ... feels ever so like Telkom :eek:

jpd

10-01-2006, 09:09 AM

Here is my dilema - I want to get a 3G router on a contract which currently comes with the Mobile Connect data card. What are my options when HSPDA launches? Will I need to purchase my own HSPDA data card or will I be able to exchange the Vodfone Mobile Connect data card for a HSPDA compatible card?

nic777

10-01-2006, 11:40 AM

(I think) 384Kb/s in the uplink.

:eek: :)

HiltM

12-01-2006, 06:56 AM

A thought passed my mind... as I am on the border of 3g coverage and only get it on the one side of my house, what will happen when Vodacom eventually upgrades my base station to HSDPA? Will the HSDPA coverage be the same as 3g or can I expect better:o or worse?:mad:

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 08:40 AM

Should be the same as current 3G coverage but the speed you get might not be the full HSDPA speed.

HSDPA uses various methods (modulation and encoding) to give the best possible throughput for a given signal strength. If you're on the edge of a cell, the network might negotiate a lower speed to keep the connection.

3GisDaMan

12-01-2006, 09:07 AM

And when can we expect the anouncement about all this?

jpd

12-01-2006, 10:01 AM

A lot has been said in the press recently around Vodacom plans to launch HSPDA on their 3G network. Some commentators have said that the commercial launch is weeks away (as early as mid January) while others are talking about mid 2006.

There is talk that the service will first be launched in Gauteng before being rolled out across the country. A shortage of data cards could be a stumbling block to wide-spread rollout.

Is Vodacom in a position to provide us with a roadmap on their HSPDA deployment - which areas will come on stream and when as well as info on hardware, HSPDA bundles/packages etc?

From the research I have done if Vodacom does launch a commercial service in the next few weeks it will be one of about 5 networks in the World to go live with HSPDA - correct?

3G as a broadband solution cannot really compare to DSL - but HSPDA on the other hand is a different animal and could see huge take up assuming pricing falls.

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 10:07 AM

Well, it's been announced, rather we're now waiting for the cards.

I'll see what I can find out on the latest dates.

chop

12-01-2006, 10:40 AM

Well, it's been announced, rather we're now waiting for the cards.

I'll see what I can find out on the latest dates.

That would be great! By the way are the data rates also being reduced?

3GisDaMan

12-01-2006, 11:30 AM

What do you mean it has been announced?

Have I been asleep for THAT long???

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 11:52 AM

What do you mean it has been announced?

Have I been asleep for THAT long???

You know how "announcements" work. It's typically a press release that 'announces' that something is happening, in this case the launch of HSDPA.

What I don't have is an exact date when you can get your paws on a HSDPA card. Last time I checked there were 14 in the country, all being used for testing.

3GisDaMan

12-01-2006, 11:58 AM

Ahh, and do we know yet what will happen to us pour sods who got a 3G account last Jan?

Or will we sit with it until next year?

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 12:22 PM

You mean in terms of upgrading?

It works exactly the same as upgrading a mobile.

When you buy a phone or data card on contract, the cost of the hardware is calculated into the contract period. At the end of the contract you now own the phone and can get a new phone on a new contract. If you want to upgrade your phone before the contract ends, you can do an early upgrade and pay in some amount.

Might be an idea to call your SP and see if they have such a plan in place for the HSDPA data cards.

rabbiddog

12-01-2006, 12:25 PM

and if vodacom is my SP?

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 01:08 PM

and if vodacom is my SP?

I think VSP has an 'early-upgrade' number you can call. Will find it for you.

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 01:33 PM

Upgrade number: (082) 1959

I've asked them for a comment on data card upgrades. Will post when I get a response.

cyberbob

12-01-2006, 01:33 PM

I'm in Cape Town, so will prolly get coverage last :(

@V3G ... any ideas on what packages will be available (not cost as such, just spec), like 3GONE, 3G500 etc etc ?

Would be interested to know if I'd be burnning up the Gig or Gigs :D

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 01:54 PM

I believe there won't be new packages, just a higher access speed.

Do you see a need for different packages, in terms of sizing?

cyberbob

12-01-2006, 01:56 PM

well, just that, at 1MB, 1GB won't last very long, not to mention, the R500/pm that 1GB costs ... I might even be too scared to turn it on (just in case I burn away my GIG :( )

fingers121

12-01-2006, 01:58 PM

any ideas on what packages will be available (not cost as such, just spec), like 3GONE, 3G500 etc etc ? Would be interested to know if I'd be burnning up the Gig or Gigs :D

AFAIK the cost is going to be same as it is now, regardless of bearer (GPRS, EDGE, 3G or HSDPA) - not like our friends at Telkom that charge different prices for the amount of bandwith they provide, even though it's on the same two copper cables...

Although with higher download speeds, 1GB is not going to be enough - who wants to send/receive e-mails only on a high speed connection?

The price of data will have to come down further if the benefits of HSDPA are to be realised.

jpd

12-01-2006, 02:04 PM

V3G any info for us on the other questions in my opening thread?

Much appreciated.

cyberbob

12-01-2006, 02:06 PM

that was basically what I was getting at, if I've got a connection that is around 2.5x faster that my current 3G ... chances are, I'm going to "download" more, but at the current price, I would be too scared to, just imagine how quickly you could "bankrupt" yourself? :eek:

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 02:16 PM

Is Vodacom in a position to provide us with a roadmap on their HSPDA deployment - which areas will come on stream and when as well as info on hardware, HSPDA bundles/packages etc?

The roll-out will logically happen in the more dense areas first, similar to the initial 3G rollout. I suspect the limiting factor will be the speed that Telkom can provide the higher speed backhaul. Everything else is already in place.

From the research I have done if Vodacom does launch a commercial service in the next few weeks it will be one of about 5 networks in the World to go live with HSPDA - correct?

Yes, it's very new technology for everyone. I expect we'll see similar early-adopter hiccups we saw with 3G this time last year.

3G as a broadband solution cannot really compare to DSL - but HSPDA on the other hand is a different animal and could see huge take up assuming pricing falls.

As often discussed here, mobile broadband should not really be compared to copper services but in SA it is the case, mostly because the mobile and nomadic services are approaching the fixed line costs, probably the only place in the world where this is the case.

A mobile solutions comes with a huge amount of additional requirements that must be satisfied and which is not expected from a fixed broadband solution, including CS voice, SMS, security and handovers.

cyberbob

12-01-2006, 02:56 PM

A mobile solutions comes with a huge amount of additional requirements that must be satisfied and which is not expected from a fixed broadband solution, including CS voice, SMS, security and handovers.

I take it that means the prices won't be coming down? :(

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 03:45 PM

I take it that means the prices won't be coming down? :(

I was actually referring to the fact that mobile prices are close to the copper prices while being a much more complex technology and that this leads to comparative analysis.

I've not seen any indication where prices are going but both the CEO and COO indicated prices will come down, but we've had no dates or numbers yet.

cyberbob

12-01-2006, 04:14 PM

thanx for that :D

3GisDaMan

12-01-2006, 04:39 PM

Great, looking forward to reading it.

MrG

12-01-2006, 04:40 PM

That would be great! By the way are the data rates also being reduced?

Data rates HAVE to be removed. I can tell everyone already that it WILL happen, because simply if it doesnt happen, Vodacom cannot be taken seriously as a company offering Internet Connectivity.

How the hell are you suppose to use a connection that has a potensial of 14Mbit's and pay R2 per MB (no bundle) or around .40c per MB in bundle. Its just crazy.

Vodacom needs to understand people here are looking for them to compete against Telkom. People want to use 3G for a main internet connection, and screw Telkom. At the current rates I use Vodacom's 3G just for simple IM converstaions and posting on this forum like I am now, but opening a webpage like www.gamespot.com will cost me around R3, because their main page is around 1.5MB - that is crazy

nicovdw

12-01-2006, 04:42 PM

I believe there won't be new packages, just a higher access speed.

Do you see a need for different packages, in terms of sizing?

I sure do.

Especially in the 3g contract packages. Like a 3G250 and A 3G150 contract. Why should I be forced to waste R35 on a messenger contract to use my data card? (Even if you just brought out a R10 data-only contract that you can bolt bundles onto, like MTN)

Why not have *ALL* the same contract bundles as the bolt on bundles?

A 50 and a 100 MB bundle would be nicer that that 75 MB bundle.

The 350 MB bundle that MTN has for R220 in super! (If only they didn't suck so much)

I'm sure someone may find a 750 MB bundle useful.

Also if you go over your bundle there should be a better price per mb than R2. (Like MTN )

My 2c worth

nicovdw

12-01-2006, 04:45 PM

When you buy a phone or data card on contract, the cost of the hardware is calculated into the contract period. At the end of the contract you now own the phone and can get a new phone on a new contract. If you want to upgrade your phone before the contract ends, you can do an early upgrade and pay in some amount.
.

What if I don't want a handset/datacard. Can I get a discount?

vodacom3g

12-01-2006, 05:08 PM

What if I don't want a handset/datacard. Can I get a discount?

I've seen some of the retail shops do this, so phone around and see what you can get.

As always, remember you buy from the retail shops and not Vodacom directly, so they will do special deals.

cyberbob

12-01-2006, 09:27 PM

better not hand out 2many of those 2c, after all, broadband is expensive :(

HiltM

13-01-2006, 07:49 AM

nicovdw

13-01-2006, 10:32 AM

I believe there won't be new packages, just a higher access speed.

Do you see a need for different packages, in terms of sizing?

V3G, do you think there are new data packages on the way?

vodacom3g

13-01-2006, 11:26 AM

V3G, do you think there are new data packages on the way?

Haven't heard of any but will ask.

cyberbob

13-01-2006, 12:09 PM

Insider

13-01-2006, 12:24 PM

Why not just a pay for what you use with the price per Mb determined by how much have used? Then no need to fiddle with packages as you will always get the best price for the amount of data you have used that month. Can always monitor our usage at vodacom4me!

Why not get Makro to deliver 20 crates of beer to your house and charge you at the end of the month on a sliding scale for the number of bottles you had?

Stock levels, capacity planning, transport, damages, inventory, delivery overheads all for their own account and own risk.

Can always monitor usage at the peach tree in the back garden :)

cyberbob

13-01-2006, 01:54 PM

rotflol ... not, thats like comparing apples to houses :p

nicovdw

13-01-2006, 03:00 PM

Next thing you'll want to just pay a fixed fee for voice, and have them bill you for the calls you made.

Oh wait...

rehd

13-01-2006, 04:29 PM

I would stick with the beer....... lol

buster

14-01-2006, 11:54 PM

Would an HSDPA card purchased in the US for the Cingular GSM network work here in South Africa?

I understand the differences on the cell phones and I currently have a world phone that was purchased through Cingular that operates just fine on Vodacom, it is a quad frequency phone.

vodacom3g

15-01-2006, 08:12 AM

If it complies with 3GPP HSDPA specs (same set Vodacom/Vodafone supports) it's got a good chance.

There are a number of different networks that are compliant (but with a not so popular option, myWireless for example) or nearly compliant with 3GPP and thus won't interoperate.

Do you have a brand for the card?

WireFree

16-01-2006, 10:59 PM

I believe there won't be new packages, just a higher access speed.

Do you see a need for different packages, in terms of sizing?

:eek:

HSDPA is designed to make more efficient use of the radio interface. Mobile operators gain by getting more capacity from the scarce radio resource and in effect it should be possible to pass some of the saving on to consumers. A factor of 10 increase will obviously not lead to a factor of 10 decrease in the cost of data as there are other overheads - but there can be some cost reduction.

I guess keeping the cost of 1MB of data the same means Vodacom gains more capacity but we continue to pay the same amount. :confused:

vodacom3g

16-01-2006, 11:33 PM

:eek:

HSDPA is designed to make more efficient use of the radio interface. Mobile operators gain by getting more capacity from the scarce radio resource and in effect it should be possible to pass some of the saving on to consumers. A factor of 10 increase will obviously not lead to a factor of 10 decrease in the cost of data as there are other overheads - but there can be some cost reduction.

I guess keeping the cost of 1MB of data the same means Vodacom gains more capacity but we continue to pay the same amount. :confused:

The question was around the need for different bundle sizes. Not so much around the forum's view on pricing. I think we all know the answer to that one :)

On the cost / Mb point; although the radio interface is more efficient, it's only one link you cross on your way to the internet, including the transmission, systems and international bandwidth.

Unfortunately HSDPA won't reduce the costs of these elements. Most of these elements, like the backhaul, actually requires massive upgrades to accommodate HSDPA.

jpd

17-01-2006, 04:54 PM

If the lead article on this site is to be believed then it seems like the Vodacom HSPDA launch has been put back again. The usual excuse (shortage of data cards) is once again being thrown about.

I was just about to go the 3G broadband route (was going to get my router this week) and then add the HSPDA cards when the service was launched - with no firm launch date yet it seems like I am going to have to ditch that idea and go with DSL after all :mad:

V3G, are you in a position to confirm or deny these new delays?

vodacom3g

17-01-2006, 05:14 PM

V3G, are you in a position to confirm or deny these new delays?

Sounds like the US government: "We can neither confirm nor deny the rumours..." :)

Unfortunately the data card story is true. We're still waiting for the cards to become available in bulk. To give you an idea on the card shortage; I don't have one yet :mad:

I've asked for the roll-out plan and will revert as soon as I have it. Does look like the first major rollout will be in the Sandton area but I'm speculating.

Crash

17-01-2006, 06:18 PM

Ignore this post....after reading a bit, I answered the question myself.

vodacom3g

22-01-2006, 02:13 PM

FTP results done today on the live network:

1) 1048576 bytes received in 6.18Seconds 169.70Kbytes/sec.
2) 1048576 bytes received in 10.22Seconds 102.65Kbytes/sec.
3) 1048576 bytes received in 5.89Seconds 178.06Kbytes/sec.
4) 9437184 bytes received in 89.66Seconds 105.26Kbytes/sec.

1MB in 6 seconds! = 1.3Mb/s

To preempt the obvious question: I'm still awaiting dates! :)

vodacom3g

23-01-2006, 01:50 PM

Will do

RyanZA

24-01-2006, 09:21 PM

1MB in 6 seconds means we get to (if not using a data bundle) blow through R20 a minute, or R1200 an hour! Talk about burning money. Very nice speeds, but is there any chance of a price decrease in the coming months? :p

mavx

25-01-2006, 08:23 AM

Any news on card availability? April is pretty close....
Are prices set to stay at the same levels? People are literally going to max out their bundles within the first day of HSDPA usage....

vodacom3g

25-01-2006, 08:54 AM

Up to date info here: http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=1764

LabAnimal

25-01-2006, 09:14 AM

ajax

25-01-2006, 12:18 PM

its wonderful that we're getting such wonderful speeds, but the prices are too high. Telkom's prices are rediculous, Vodacom's prices are just stupid!

Bring down the prices to compete head on with telkom, then i'll gladly sign up

Reallistically, I don't think we can expect mobile operators to charge less per gig than fixed line operators. However, there is still scope to compete as mobile operators don't charge line rentals or ISP fees.

For example, if you want 1 Gig of data per month, mobile operators (currently) charge R500. On ADSL, at a slower speed of 192 kbps, you would pay R270 ("connectivity rental") + R87 (normal line rental) + ISP fees of say R75 (Webafrica). This equates to R449, quite close to what the mobiles charge, but with 3G it currently gives you double the speed and pretty soon 5-10 times the speed.

Of course, there are other issues like latency sensitive apps that one must also consider.

3GisDaMan

02-02-2006, 04:21 PM

What is the latest regarding Vodacom's HSDPA rollout?

vodacom3g

02-02-2006, 08:30 PM

What is the latest regarding Vodacom's HSDPA rollout?

As per the myADSL press release.

3GisDaMan

02-02-2006, 09:05 PM

Which I find where?

vodacom3g

02-02-2006, 09:21 PM

Which I find where?

5 posts back in this thread. Have a look at post #132.

Longtongsa

03-02-2006, 07:42 PM

vodacom3g

03-02-2006, 08:16 PM

Well there are so many questions about updating the firmware on our existing 3G datacards to support HSDPA well all people with an option fusion quad lite will be able to do a simple firmware upgrade to support HSDPA. Don't believe me well then follow this link.;) http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=5643
This is not quite correct.

The "quad lite" or "fusion quad lite" are GPRS/3G cards and are not firmware upgradeable.

BTW, the 'fusion' part of the card name indicates WiFi support.

The "Option's GlobeTrotter 3G/EDGE" and the "GlobeTrotter FUSION+" are new cards not yet release by Vodafone.

The Globetrotter 3G/EDGE will be rebranded by Vodafone as the Option Nozomi and will support GPRS/EDGE/3G and HSDPA with a firmware upgrade.

LabAnimal

03-02-2006, 08:18 PM

Reallistically, I don't think we can expect mobile operators to charge less per gig than fixed line operators. However, there is still scope to compete as mobile operators don't charge line rentals or ISP fees.

For example, if you want 1 Gig of data per month, mobile operators (currently) charge R500. On ADSL, at a slower speed of 192 kbps, you would pay R270 ("connectivity rental") + R87 (normal line rental) + ISP fees of say R75 (Webafrica). This equates to R449, quite close to what the mobiles charge, but with 3G it currently gives you double the speed and pretty soon 5-10 times the speed.

Of course, there are other issues like latency sensitive apps that one must also consider.

So you say R500 for 1gig, I'm paying R470 for telkom, and R680 for AYCE for 30gig. that's roughly double the price and doesnt come close to 2gig for 3G @ R1000 and its not a matter of speed for me, its a matter of how much you get out. 3G is over-rediculously priced IMO.

Longtongsa

03-02-2006, 09:45 PM

This is not quite correct.

The "quad lite" or "fusion quad lite" are GPRS/3G cards and are not firmware upgradeable.

BTW, the 'fusion' part of the card name indicates WiFi support.

The "Option's GlobeTrotter 3G/EDGE" and the "GlobeTrotter FUSION+" are new cards not yet release by Vodafone.

The Globetrotter 3G/EDGE will be rebranded by Vodafone as the Option Nozomi and will support GPRS/EDGE/3G and HSDPA with a firmware upgrade.

Well i don't know about you but my Fusion card does not support WiFi and i emailed option asking what the difference is between the globeTrotter FUSION+ and fusion quad lite. they replyed saying that they are both the same card but vodafone names it the quad lite and option markets it as Globletrotter fusion+. They do support firmware upgrades if you go to the 3G section on vodacoms website you will see firmware software to upgrade all there current cards. Option will be publishing a firware upgrade for this card not vodafone. we all know the reason for that and if your card is branded then you won't be able to download the firmware off options website because it will reject you IMEI number on the support page. So the whole thing is the card can support HSDPA but vodafone don't want this because they all want us suckers to buy new cards (so they can make more money) But if you are able to get hold of the option firmware it will work (only once vodacom have launched HSDPA) As well any one wishing not to use the very unsable Vodafone mobile connect dashboard there is another product just go to www.diginext.com and there you will find a much better application for free! it's name is MultiNet

vodacom3g

03-02-2006, 09:52 PM

Well i don't know about you but my Fusion card does not support WiFi and i emailed option asking what the difference is between the globeTrotter FUSION+ and fusion quad lite. they replyed saying that they are both the same card but vodafone names it the quad lite and option markets it as Globletrotter fusion+. Option will be publishing a firware upgrade for this card not vodafone. we all know the reason for that and if your card is branded then you won't be able to download the firmware off options website because it will reject you IMEI number on the support page.

OK, if you say so. The information I posted above came from the Vodacom 3G data card product manager.

Won't you forward me the mail you received from Option and I'll forward it for comment?

jpd

08-02-2006, 10:22 PM

vodacom3g

09-02-2006, 01:55 AM

Any news on rollout dates yet? Looks like MTN may yet beat you to it.

As per http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=1764, full commercial launch is set for April.

Radimpe

22-02-2006, 06:58 AM

Hi v3g.

I've not been following the threads that often and cannot find the original thread for the outdoor antenna. Do you know if it ever came to life and if so, where I could get one?

Since I joined on 3g I still cannot pick up a good 3g signal. But I'm sure my closest tower must be upgraded by now.

tHANX
rAD

gmr

06-03-2006, 02:05 PM

So if I want to buy a 3G card today, and I want to be totally sure that it will support HSDPA when it arrives, what do I need to ask the dealer to supply (and can they supply it now)?

zesto

08-03-2006, 11:31 AM

Does vodacom3G or anyone else have any news about the release date of HSDPA? Is it going to be April/May as previously stated??Is it worth waiting for?

vodacom3g

08-03-2006, 12:55 PM

Still on track as per myADSL press release:

Vodacom’s HSDPA rollout, which will take place in three stages, has begun and the results look very promising.

Vodacom’s initial rollout plans were delayed due to the late delivery of software, but the new rollout is on schedule contrary to a previous media report.

The new HSDPA service, which will supply users with a mobile broadband service producing speeds of close to 2 Mbps, is an upgrade from their existing 3G service.

Vodacom is one of the leading Vodafone affiliates regarding HDPA rollout and it is indeed encouraging to see a South African company taking the lead in the broadband arena.

The first stage of Vodacom’s rollout involves a controlled trial in the Midrand area. The results from this trial look promising and Vodacom is confident about moving to phase 2 of the rollout.

The second phase will involve ‘friendly user’ trials at 50 sites throughout Gauteng and will run for a month.

This phase will start in the beginning of February and feedback from users will be utilized to ensure that all aspects of the service, including the new software and network, are up to scratch.

The third and final phase of Vodacom’s HSDPA rollout will start towards the end of March.

Users throughout South Africa can expect the commercial service to be on the shelves from April.

Vodacom has investment in a significant upgrade of their Internet backhaul and is confident that no bottlenecks will occur when users break out of their network.

The cellular giant currently makes use of both SAIX and Internet Solutions for bandwidth, but is looking into acquiring their own international bandwidth via satellite.

They are also part of the EASSy project which will supply them with international connectivity in future.

The new HSDPA cards will have HSDPA, 3G, EDGE and GPRS capabilities.

With around 30% of Vodacom’s network being EDGE enabled this new functionality is an added bonus for those predominantly mobile customers.

MTN is expected to launch their HSDPA service in the second quarter of this year but no firm commitments have as yet been made from their side.

feo

09-03-2006, 07:51 PM

And how much would this cost? I'm a student and this seems very promising and sincerely hope Vodacom will be reasonable with pricing.

vodacom3g

09-03-2006, 08:42 PM

You'll notice the data contracts are based on usage (i.e. you pay per data unit) and not speed, so (according to my understanding) the pricing will be as current.

You'll just get a much higher connection speed.

jpd

13-03-2006, 05:16 PM

http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/March2006/2755.htm

Article includes details of packages as well as pricing.

Any news from Vodacom on when HSPDA will go live here?

vodacom3g

13-03-2006, 08:35 PM

Read through this thread for all the details.

bruceahibbert

15-03-2006, 05:52 PM

UNderstand HSDPA indefinitely delayed due to need for further testing. Seems it is not just data bundles that are giving problems!

Bruce

bruceahibbert

15-03-2006, 09:44 PM

What causes puzzlement, IC? Am interested in upgrading to HSDPA and contacted Vodacom re potential date in April given have seen no ads for the service and April is only two weeks away. E-mailed me back to say "kindly be advised that we have extented our testing period and have no confirmation date as to when this service will be available." which suggests that Voda have encountered problems and have put back delivery date for commercial introduction to an unspecified time, at least as I read this comment. Either the web-page doesn't know what is happening (which would not be unusual) or April at least is off the table, it seems. Nother case of 'oops, we bungled' it seems like with the data bundles.

vodacom3g

15-03-2006, 10:51 PM

I'll try and trace the origin of this message. I've not heard of any delays.

For sure the network is ready afaik, for example every single 3G base station in the province I'm in is already on HSDPA....

bruceahibbert

16-03-2006, 04:58 AM

Would appreciate, V3G. Need to know whether there is a genuine delay or this is more misinformation from inside the company. You don't need another data bundles debacle.

vodacom3g

16-03-2006, 06:37 AM

Can't agree more. I'm going to PM you a e-mail addr. Won't you please forward me the complete mail-trail so I can see where it came from.

3GisDaMan

16-03-2006, 08:25 AM

Ahhh, please keep the rest of us in the loop.....

bruceahibbert

16-03-2006, 10:46 AM

Will do, V3G and thanks in advance for right info.
IC, How many sub-routines in that loop?

Radimpe

18-03-2006, 02:10 PM

Two questions please.
1. I have an existing 3G500 contract. Can I get the router at the advertised rates?

2. How do I know which Option card I have? I see 3 options Colt, Quad lite, Fusion. My card is about a year old, and I cannot see any name on it. Can I deduce it from a serial number or IMEI number?

PS. I recently installed an High gain antenna and works great.

vodacom3g

18-03-2006, 05:41 PM

1) I would assume so, but it will be a new, second contract. In your case an outright purchase would be the option to go for.

2) Probably the Colt if it's a year old. PM me the number on the card and I'll check up.

I'll also add it to the FAQ.

vodacom3g

22-03-2006, 05:38 PM

The press release went out today stating commercial availability on the 2nd of April.

rpm

22-03-2006, 06:27 PM

http://mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=2273

bruceahibbert

22-03-2006, 07:27 PM

V3G,

Vodacom really have to keep their e-mail service up-to-date on what is or is not happening! At least we now know we don't have another prepaid data bundles! Thanks for the info.

Bruce

wamatt

22-03-2006, 07:51 PM

The press release went out today stating commercial availability on the 2nd of April.

Congrats vodacom. Quite impressive thats we ahead of the UK and Americans wrt cell technology.

Will it be available in all places where 3g is offered automatically?

Tahir Ally

22-03-2006, 08:03 PM

Its true.And its not an Aprils fools joke.Vodacom HSDPA will be available in April.New Datacards should be available early next week......Reduction on data prices.......well we have to wait and see

feo

22-03-2006, 08:22 PM

How much will it COST?

RompelStompel

22-03-2006, 08:33 PM

Hopefully not on the same schedule as prepaid data bundles :D

ajax

22-03-2006, 09:50 PM

Hopefully not on the same schedule as prepaid data bundles :D
Lol Rompelstompel!
I WANT one! The hooking-up-my-6680-to-the-pc-everytime-I-want-internet-routine is no longer on :D

vodacom3g

23-03-2006, 02:10 AM

Congrats vodacom. Quite impressive thats we ahead of the UK and Americans wrt cell technology.

Will it be available in all places where 3g is offered automatically?

Yes, all 3G towers have HSDPA as it was a software upgrade to the system. Whole country is already active. Coverage might be slightly different.

You're quite right that this is leading edge (pardon the pun!) stuff and I fully expect some growing pains.

We can either wait a year or two for the technology to mature somewhere else, or we can adopt early and give the benefits as soon as possible.

Those of you who've met Vodacom's top management will know they're technologists at heart and thus we get the new toys first!

These are cutting edge technologies developed by humans and glitches will occur in the early days but as with all previous technology cycles the glitches will be sorted and the service will stabilise.

vodacom3g

23-03-2006, 02:42 AM

How much will it COST?

The SAME! :)

The Vodacom pricing models have always been usage based and not on the access speed, i.e. you pay for the data used irrespective of your connectivity speed.

You buy the data bundle you figure out you need and then connect at either GPRS/EDGE/3G/HSDPA. Faster speeds just means you get the work done quicker.

The argument that higher speeds should be cheaper because you're going to be downloading more data does not hold.

As an analogy, if the national speed limit is lifted, are you going to travel more or just faster?

If you use data purely for the sake of using it (aimless browsing, for example), you might have an addiction problem :) For the rest, higher speeds merely means doing the same job quicker.

There will always be downwards pressure on data rates and I fully expect them to come down in the future.

vodacom3g

23-03-2006, 03:26 AM

Lot's of datacards in the warehouse, but no production handsets that I know of.

The first HSDPA handset was only launched a few weeks ago, so it'll take a while to come into production.

vodacom3g

23-03-2006, 03:26 AM

Maybe this thread can merge into the general HSDPA one?

ajax

23-03-2006, 07:36 AM

Maybe this thread can merge into the general HSDPA one?

Or maybe you should get some sleep? ;)

feo

23-03-2006, 07:48 AM

The argument that higher speeds should be cheaper because you're going to be downloading more data does not hold.

And why not? If we can download at faster speeds then we'll all want to download more and so it'll make sense that data costs come down as speed goes up...am I the only one that sees the logic in this?

vodacom3g

23-03-2006, 08:01 AM

And why not? If we can download at faster speeds then we'll all want to download more and so it'll make sense that data costs come down as speed goes up...am I the only one that sees the logic in this?

It's more human nature than logic, but I don't dispute it will happen if you're a download addict.

vodacom3g

23-03-2006, 08:03 AM

Or maybe you should get some sleep? ;)

Still trying outwait ic......so far, no luck....:rolleyes:

feo

23-03-2006, 08:05 AM

It's more human nature than logic, but I don't dispute it will happen if you're a download addict.

What fo you mean 'if'....most of us ARE download addicts :p

Liposuck2004

23-03-2006, 01:36 PM

good call ic......................cos u never know when we get hit with a prepaid situation and /or something falls over.

Hoodwink

23-03-2006, 01:41 PM

vodacom3g

23-03-2006, 01:48 PM

V3G, If one is already contrated into a VC 3G package, using the older cards without HSDPA, could we simply exchange our older card with the HSDPA card?
2ndly, is there a HSDPA coverage map that can be viewed on the web?
3rdly, as it is now, the current cards allow to swop from 3G to GPRS. Will the same apply for HSDPA, meaning, will it swop down to 3G and GPRS?

1) I've asked for the upgrade plan and will revert soonest.

2) Use the 3G map, but be aware the cells will be smaller.

3) Even better; HSDPA->3G->EDGE->GPRS

3GisDaMan

23-03-2006, 01:59 PM

Ahhh, we will wait for the reply, oh knowledgeable one!!

wamatt

23-03-2006, 02:01 PM

1) I've asked for the upgrade plan and will revert soonest.

2) Use the 3G map, but be aware the cells will be smaller.

3) Even better; HSDPA->3G->EDGE->GPRS

Nice fall back plan.

Pity the Jasjar not going to get HSDPA through firmware upgrade. HTC's Universal successor is only arriving in 2007. Such is the bleeding edge.

vodacom3g

23-03-2006, 04:07 PM

.... are there any semi-deffective HSDPA handsets available for testing purposes - even one with no covers & a tendency to shock the user from time to time...:D [joking of course]

I don't think so, data cards aplenty.

You'll have to get over your datacard phobia :)

entrepr

23-03-2006, 07:30 PM

Inertia

23-03-2006, 07:54 PM

Who cares. Aslong as we get the service, I'm really not going to favour my Vodacom/MTN HSDPA because they were the firstest

vodacom3g

24-03-2006, 12:00 AM

I'm new to the thread and I saw the press release that Vodacom would be first to launch in April .. blah blah .. first yet again etc and yet MTN says on its Website ... finanical results .. that it has already gone live and is first in Africa ... blah blah ... Who do we believe and do journalists check the stories.

Can't comment on MTN but I'd suggest you see where you can actually buy a HSDPA card and where it's working on HSDPA.

Typing this, I'm sitting in Hermanus on HSDPA and the last throughput test I ran sat around 1.2Mb/s....

There are about 150 Vodacom people here, most with HSDPA cards and during the day (with everyone online) I was getting 800-900Kb/s. Not too shabby!

3GisDaMan

24-03-2006, 08:39 AM

Typing this, I'm sitting in Hermanus on HSDPA and the last throughput test I ran sat around 1.2Mb/s....

There are about 150 Vodacom people here, most with HSDPA cards and during the day (with everyone online) I was getting 800-900Kb/s. Not too shabby!

V3G, are you saying that the usual download speed is 1.2Mb/s, but when 150 extra people climb onto the network, it drop down to 800-900Kb/s? Eish, sound like either Vodacom employees are real heavy users, or the bandwith is a bit limited?

:D

I am kidding. We are all jealous man!! I can't wait for the day when I can change my name to HSDPAisDaMan

By the way, V3G, since the solution is based on data usage, I asume that Vodacom will not get into the permanent connected market, where you could run webservers and stuff of your HSDPA solution?

ajax

24-03-2006, 10:30 AM

Can't comment on MTN but I'd suggest you see where you can actually buy a HSDPA card and where it's working on HSDPA.

Typing this, I'm sitting in Hermanus on HSDPA and the last throughput test I ran sat around 1.2Mb/s....

There are about 150 Vodacom people here, most with HSDPA cards and during the day (with everyone online) I was getting 800-900Kb/s. Not too shabby!

What a slap in the face for Telkom. We must be the only country in the world where the mobile operators give you more speed than the fixed line one.

bruceahibbert

24-03-2006, 11:06 AM

Hurrumpf!! In my opinion Helkom are just getting what they deserve.

vodacom3g

24-03-2006, 02:21 PM

V3G, are you saying that the usual download speed is 1.2Mb/s, but when 150 extra people climb onto the network, it drop down to 800-900Kb/s? Eish, sound like either Vodacom employees are real heavy users, or the bandwith is a bit limited?

By the way, V3G, since the solution is based on data usage, I asume that Vodacom will not get into the permanent connected market, where you could run webservers and stuff of your HSDPA solution?

Remember, all these people are on one cell so the shared resources will get loaded. In any case, I'll take 800Kb/s anyday!

The current products are usage-based but once the infrastructure is in place and technologies like WiMax is commercially available, who knows.......?

rustic

24-03-2006, 02:44 PM

Is HSDPA any good for online gaming? I'm currently using iburst and am really unhapppy about the shaping, it's become totally useless as far as online gaming?

Is the HSDPA service also shaped?

Thanks :D

vodacom3g

24-03-2006, 02:49 PM

LOL, it's not a phobia as such - more of a personal preference :).

Anyways since my 7 year old notebook died last month, I am faced with having to get a new notebook that was actually manufactured in this millennium, and whatever I get, it will probably take me down that ExpressCard path...

v3g, are there any ExpressCard HSDPA data cards available yet from Option|Novatel?

They are on the way, but I don't think we have right now.

Prometheus

24-03-2006, 10:01 PM

Who the heck decided to make things complicated by naming it HSDPA? Since it's basically a software upgrade we could call it 3G 2.0, like with USB.

Prometheus

24-03-2006, 10:47 PM

Better for the average Joe on the street I suppose

vodacom3g

24-03-2006, 11:57 PM

We've been trying for a while to disconnect the access technology from the service. This was one of the drivers in the marketing to say you get a specific bundle, irrespective of the connection speed with a guarantee to always give best possible speed.

However, the whole industry is going down the complex, acronym route and thus it will probably be known as 3G HSDPA or just HSDPA.

There is no industry accepted definition for 3G, 3G+, 3.5G, 4G, etc. They're all marketing terms, often abused as only marketeers can.

vodacom3g

25-03-2006, 12:15 AM

Although HSDPA is being launched with a maximum download speed of 1.8Mb/s, it is important to realise that this is a best possible speed when all parameters are perfect.

Radio access is not like copper where you have a known bandwidth and bits are clocked at a fixed rate, say 512Kb/s on ADSL.

Radio systems must work under varying conditions and as such were developed to provide best possible speed taking all factors such as RF conditions, number of users, etc. into consideration.

With HSDPA, you see a distinct drop in throughput as you move away from the cell center.

I've been watching my throughput over the last few days and have seen numbers as low as 600Kb/s (!) and as high as 1.4Mb/s. Average is probably between 800-900 Kb/s.

Daveogg

25-03-2006, 07:54 AM

V3G, What sort of latency are you getting, and how "stable" is it?

vodacom3g

25-03-2006, 09:22 AM

Haven't been doing long term latency tests yet, but the whole feel is more snappy.

Mu current session has now been up for more than 3 days, i.e. since I arrived I've not been disconnected.

UnDeR±tAkEr

25-03-2006, 09:42 AM

Howdy V3G

Can u maybe hint at the new card cash prices, and also which one u would recommend? Also hints as to what new data pricing we can expect (R498/GB or R399/GB, etc)? I'd like to buy a new card but obviously depends on availability and price.:cool:

Many thanks

Underneath-the-Radar

vodacom3g

25-03-2006, 10:08 AM

Got no idea what the cash price would be, probably around the current card prices.

Data pricing will the the same as current, i.e. R599 for a card and 1Gb of data.

ajax

25-03-2006, 10:29 AM

1) Is the maximum total bandwidth on an HSDPA tower the same as a 3G tower?
2) If a specific tower has 3G and HSPDA capability, how is the bandwidth shared between the two?
3) Ditto on the latency, please give us ping results for a local and a few international sites. But don't cheat! Do a few now if you can but also please during peak times :)

By the way, V3G, since the solution is based on data usage, I asume that Vodacom will not get into the permanent connected market, where you could run webservers and stuff of your HSDPA solution?
This would be great. Our company is chucking our Diginet line so everything is now running over ADSL. We still want some sort of backup.
A HSDPA router with static IP would be ideal.

vodacom3g

25-03-2006, 10:50 AM

Will need to get more info for you on the first 2 questions.

HSDPA router with static IP can be done.

Just did some pings to a few sites and got around 140ms average.

neoassasin

25-03-2006, 11:28 AM

When will HSDPA cell phones be available?

vodacom3g

25-03-2006, 01:26 PM

When will HSDPA cell phones be available?

No idea, I played with the Samsung HSDPA phone a few weeks ago, but have had no confirmation as to commercial availability. But at least it's real.

We had exactly the same situation when 3G was launched, the data cards were in better supply than the phones. When Vodacom launched 3G, only the E1000 was available. Now (I believe) there are more than 200 3G phone models available worldwide. Not sure what the local count is.

BioVolt

27-03-2006, 08:41 AM

What is the use of the speed if you can not use the speed. :mad: :mad: :mad:

As far as I know it is 5.5 Grand for a 10Gig bundle :mad: so it's really not worth the speed.

In the uk my they pay 30 pound +-R330 for 12Mbps, 200mb web space, a co.uk domain and unlimited downloads.

I used HSDPA as a trail but they capped me on the first day and the trail was supposed to last 2 weeks.

South Africa Realy have to wake up.

ajax

27-03-2006, 09:10 AM

I disagree, it has applications that are very practical. This weekend for example I had to go and babysit my niece's kids. But I had very important work to finish. A laptop and 3G saved my ass as I was able to use remote desktop and effectively be at work working on my pc, albeit with a few interuptions from the kids, of course :)

Changing windows in remote desktop caused a wait of a second or 2, but HSDPA with the higher bandwidth should solve this problem. I used about 10 MB per hour. A very cost efficient service in this respect.

I am keen to try HSDPA out on remote desktop. If this works, my boss's arm is in for some twisting :)

bruceahibbert

27-03-2006, 09:24 AM

Ajax,

I concur wholeheartedly. Have been using remote desktop for a considerable period and in the worst of circumstances - I work for Government - and must admit I find it really useful if I am away at conference or meetings to keep tounch with the office so that the work does not pile up. As far as I can see, HSDPA can only improve the situation still further. Anyone who has tried to do something similar using the government net can only concur since even straight GPRS is an improvement on that!

BioVolt

27-03-2006, 09:49 AM

I don’t say the speed is bad it is just 20Gig will cost (10gig bundle = R5990.00 + R2 * 10000) = +-R25,990.00 @ HSDPA when even R699.00 for 20 Gig @ my wireless is expensive compared to international standards.

I agree in your case it is a live saver but, it is just against my morel values to support a service that is there only for money and don’t care a rats as% about us even if we have to use our last penny’s that was supposed to be used for food to be able to use there service, as long as they make there money.

bruceahibbert

27-03-2006, 01:33 PM

ajax

27-03-2006, 01:43 PM

Problem is only time I can use Digicrap to download Very Large Databases to do statistical analysis is between about 23:00 and 03:00 and generally I'm at home during those hours. Need to connect to office using remote desktop (using 3G) and start process and then disconnect and hope that everything holds together so I have my work next morning. If 3G or HSDPA were more reasonably priced it would certainly help:mad:

I think a much lower price can be charged for use during those hours. This would help a lot bridging the divide between low cost per MB fixed line and high(er) cost per MB mobile.

BioVolt

27-03-2006, 02:14 PM

The reason Vodacom don’t have many users subscribed /use more than 1 gig is because of the price. And to me it only makes sense in a financial way to lower the price and get lots more users. There are many users that can’t get ADSL or just doesn’t want/cant afford an ADSL and 3G connection.

And if there are more users typically the price should be able to come down.

But then again. The way SA works lately is the more users the more they can put up there price because if a few leave the still have lots of other users.

bruceahibbert

27-03-2006, 02:58 PM

Point I was trying to make is: If Gummint Digicrap worked like Digicrap supposed to work I ought to be able to access VLD all day long but, as expected, Gummint Digicrap makes Hellkom Dial-up look good most of the time! If I can get 1kB/sec on Gummint Digicrap most of the time I'm having a really good day!:mad: When I get home and use 3G is a pleasure. Only prob is the price for large datasets.

vodacom3g

27-03-2006, 04:00 PM

In the uk my they pay 30 pound +-R330 for 12Mbps, 200mb web space, a co.uk domain and unlimited downloads.

For a mobile data service?

Don't confuse copper with wireless, very different (and priced) backend systems.

vodacom3g

27-03-2006, 04:49 PM

Just did some pings to a few sites and got around 140ms average.

Getting around 100ms today, in Midrand.

fergus

27-03-2006, 05:31 PM

When will phones be out supporting HDSPA and what models are they? And is April 2 still the confirmed launch date?

Prometheus

27-03-2006, 05:35 PM

Local Wireless is actually very low in comparison with UK pricing of around 5 pound per MB considering their network running costs are lower than ours.

Tahir Ally

27-03-2006, 07:41 PM

Only Samsung have HSDPA handsets.They should be in SA around June/July.

Dr_Data

29-03-2006, 08:08 AM

The rollout plan is still being finalised but all 3G sites will be upgraded to HSDPA.

The HSDPA network is a simple, software upgrade. No new towers / base-stations need to be build, so the roll-out will be much more rapid than the initial 3G roll-out.

You will need new HSDPA equipment (data card / handset) on your side.

A Quick question. Is it true that VC cannot roll out HSDPA in Dbn and Ct as Alcatel was used as the engine in the initial 3G roll out(Which is not HSDPA compliant). The rest of the sites are run on Siemens which is compatible with HSDPA.

Is there any truth in this ?

Edinetz

29-03-2006, 08:14 AM

vodacom3g

29-03-2006, 09:01 AM

A Quick question. Is it true that VC cannot roll out HSDPA in Dbn and Ct as Alcatel was used as the engine in the initial 3G roll out(Which is not HSDPA compliant). The rest of the sites are run on Siemens which is compatible with HSDPA.

Is there any truth in this ?

Not at all! Where did this come from?

The Vodacom 2G is built around Alcatel and Motorola equipment. The complete 3G network is based on Siemens.

Every single 3G base station is already running HSDPA and have been for quite a while. Therefore ANYWHERE you can get 3G coverage you'll get HSDPA coverage. I've been using HSDPA in Cpt for a few weeks already.

Where did you get this information, by the why?

BioVolt

29-03-2006, 09:06 AM

Not at all! Where did this come from?
Every single 3G base station is already running HSDPA and have been for quite a while. Therefore ANYWHERE you can get 3G coverage you'll get HSDPA coverage.

This is not true a have a HSDPA card and can only use it only in midrand, sandton and the airport. The rest of the the time I have to use 3G.

Do you know how to see if you are using 3G or HSDPA? because allt he towers that have 3g does NOT support HSDPA
(When the light flashes 3 times it is HSDPA, 2 times it is 3G and 1 time is GPRS)

vodacom3g

29-03-2006, 09:46 AM

Just did (in a sense) in the News thread but let's pick it up here:

With GPRS, EDGE, 3G and HSDPA, we now have four different bearer capabilities.

We also have different data bundles, from a few meg to a few gigs.

These give many permutations and the thinking is how can we better utilise these parameters to provide more suitable products to different users requirements, instead of a one-size-fits-all approach.

Forum feedback required!

torgo

29-03-2006, 10:10 AM

V3g

I read that VC will swap all 3g cards bought from February this year. Where can we get more info on this and how to go about swapping?

vodacom3g

29-03-2006, 02:31 PM

This is not true a have a HSDPA card and can only use it only in midrand, sandton and the airport. The rest of the the time I have to use 3G.

Do you know how to see if you are using 3G or HSDPA? because allt he towers that have 3g does NOT support HSDPA
(When the light flashes 3 times it is HSDPA, 2 times it is 3G and 1 time is GPRS)

Sounds strange, won't you post or PM me the areas? I'm 100% sure that all towers are on HSDPA.

When last did you check? Sounds like you were on the Early User Trail as those were some of the first trail sites.

The technical guys tell me the light flashes 4 times and not 3, but I also only see 3.

Are they wrong or is it an optical illusion? :)

vodacom3g

29-03-2006, 02:32 PM

V3g

I read that VC will swap all 3g cards bought from February this year. Where can we get more info on this and how to go about swapping?

Will get all the processes and post here.

biometrics

29-03-2006, 03:44 PM

Sulk, they just came to collect my test HSDPA card. I fell in love with it.

vodacom3g

29-03-2006, 03:50 PM

Sulk, they just came to collect my test HSDPA card. I fell in love with it.

LOL, it's part of the new sales angle. :)

You should be able to get an upgrade on Sunday.

jpd

29-03-2006, 05:09 PM

Now I got my "old" 3G card on the 23rd January on a contract - at the time i was told that there would be no problem exchanging my card for one of the new HSDPA versions - now I read that only cards bought after 1 Feb 2006 will be swapped out at no cost - seems a little unfair that I will miss this by 7 days.

V3G in practical terms what will be the process be for me to swap my card and how will I have to pay in?

biometrics

29-03-2006, 10:03 PM

You should be able to get an upgrade on Sunday.

How much? I got mine middle last year.

I'd wait until the 3G Router's firmware is updated though, else it dies.

jpd

29-03-2006, 10:24 PM

I'd wait until the 3G Router's firmware is updated though, else it dies.

On that subject has anybody had the opportunity to test the HSPDA cards with the 3G Router / any eta on when new firmware will be available?

vodacom3g

29-03-2006, 10:30 PM

Firmware is in beta testing at the moment with a general public release date of 1st of June.

bruceahibbert

30-03-2006, 10:56 AM

vodacom3g

30-03-2006, 03:20 PM

Hm, V3G. Seem to be an awful lot of things being left to last minute. Phoned my local Vodashop re datacards to discover they don't have any yet and don't have a clue what they'll cost! Nuther pre-paid data bundles coming up! FOUR days and counting.:eek:

They should have stock by Sunday (if they ordered it).

I saw the pricing go out to the shops, so they should know.

I'll find a few shops around the country that are on the ball and publish names here.