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This thread has been heavily edited by the mods. Lets just say that Miro must get to know the difference between
the 802.11a/b and 802.16 standards and leave it at that
 
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andres101 said:
i think it is pre-release stuff that won't be compatible with final product...
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Prerelease as in before the final WiMax standard (I am assuming there is such a thing) or before Telkom finishes implementation?
 
Confusing datasheet

According to the dataheet the InfiNet uses 802.11a OFDM and not 802.16d OFDM, so how can Miro call it (pre) WiMax? Could it be a typo in the datasheet or is it plain ol 802.11a in a nice outdoor box?
 
captainwifi said:
And now every tom **** and harry is going to annihilate the 5.8ghz spectrum with power amplifiers connected to their basestation in an
attempt to provide 50km radius phone service the the entire Gauteng.
Consumers must be educated to boicot Wisp's and start their own
community satellite linked Wisp's
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Long time no see captainwifi ;)
So if I get this right you would rather have hundreds if not thousands of people who know very little bumping up their wifi kit to reach their friends place and possibly breaking the law, intefering with other people, company and govt equipment and generally just causing a pain for everyone instead of having a market of a operators that initially are a dime a dozen, but after a short bit the jokers get proven and go under leaving a group of people running proper systems and which causes market growth, and generally a better enviroment for the consumer.

hmmm pardon me if I don't agree.

Don't get me wrong I'm all behind something like Jawug, but that is because it's about creating a network, not offering internet access. When it comes to offering internet access leave it to the pro's will ya...ta
 
DFantom you are confusing the issues. If you go into Jetpark with a scanner
www.wavestream.co.za 1watt power amp connected to an Omni swamps my 5dbi antenna. They want nearly R5000 for an installation.
If a couple of people were to rather use that money and purchase a once-off http://www.bentleywalker.net/ satellite kit for R16000 and share a 2meg line for R8000/month between multiple houses in a short radius , the 2.4ghz spectrum would be preserved.
All these Wisp's are doing is reselling Bently and other's sat services. So you don't even get decent bandwidth because they must make a profit.

What I am pleading for is self-regulation. Telkom is enjoying the thrashing of the 2.4 and 5.8 , they have 3.5ghz. I strongly disagree with Jawug's policy of not providing Internet. Most people simply need a stable 24hour link, they are not hackers or experimenters. Jawug could easily leverage their exposure on this forum to resel Bently satellite. So by not providing Internet via a community effort forces people into the hands of commercial wisps. Jawug's concern is that Icasa will confiscate their stuff. But AP's are becoming so cheap now that we could replace any units and reinstall it at a different house. And hiding behind fronting company's will keep you personally out of trouble as discussed elsewhere. Not single Wisp has a VANS license
neither www.uninetwork.co.za or www.wavestream.co.za or
www.wo.co.za. The guy who sells 'dagga' is just as guilty as the
person who buys the drugs. As far as Icasa is concerned the subscriber
is just as guilty as the provider. The wisp's convinced the public
to simply ignore Icasa. Icasa is the least of their worry's. They are far
more concerned with a Jawug type commons educating people to build
their own networks.
 
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The infininet stuff is simple 802.11a and b/g radios with a custom token-passing mechanism to ensure fair access to the radios. Don't buy this junk.

Hello frottle.
 
This guy doesn't know what his talking about...
The infinet products run on 802.16 pre-N, not on 802.11 a,b or g. It can't even be detected by 802.11 products. It does run on the same frequency - that is 2.4 and 5.8.
 
Call me stupid, but when I check the datasheet, I find *NO* reference to 802.16.

• Spectrum spreading method
— IEEE 802.11a OFDM for 5 GHz
— IEEE 802.11b DSSS for 2.4 GHz
• 20 MHz channel width
• Media access method: non-collision, adaptive, polling with dynamic and adaptive
bandwidth, permanent link quality monitoring and minimized packets number
• Transmitting power automatic control mode
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I think it's a miss type, Infinet wireless is an active member of the wimax forum. I do have a brochure that I recieved from Miro distribution that states it operates on 802.16 pre-N.

I have played around with the infinet units, it definitly works on 802.16 pre-N...
 
captainwifi said:
DFantom you are confusing the issues.
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Could very well be, but lets see what you say

captainwifi said:
All these Wisp's are doing is reselling Bently and other's sat services. So you don't even get decent bandwidth because they must make a profit.
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No problem with that (I get the feeling you saying this is a problem). The more people out there providing a legit service, run by people who know what they are doing, the more competition there is in the market and generally the better we, the consumer, do.

captainwifi said:
What I am pleading for is self-regulation.
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In theory we have that with ICASA. They are supposed to be inderpendant and regulated the industry under the guidence of people in the industry. But the problem is people. People get greedy, get agendas, get power and screw the pootch.

captainwifi said:
I strongly disagree with Jawug's policy of not providing Internet.
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Why should they provide access outside their network? It's not their problem. They provide a network thats it. This logic is like saying, when you buy a 10/100 switch, it should come with an ADSL port so you can get internet access through it. It's not it's purpose. Right tool for the job and so on.

captainwifi said:
So by not providing Internet via a community effort forces people into the hands of commercial wisps.
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No they are not. Their are many options out there from ADSL, Dialup, Sentech, etc... besides WISPs

captainwifi said:
Jawug's concern is that Icasa will confiscate their stuff.
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Odd, since there is nothing illegal about owning the equipment the police can not confiscate it (ICASA is a regulatory body, it has no power to confiscate anything even if it was illegal). But since I am not a jawug member I can not say for sure why they are concerned according to you.

captainwifi said:
Not single Wisp has a VANS license neither www.uninetwork.co.za or www.wavestream.co.za or www.wo.co.za.
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They believe they do not require one, and until a court makes a decision on this one no one can say otherwise.

captainwifi said:
As far as Icasa is concerned the subscriber
is just as guilty as the provider.
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Sounds like you are saying ignorance of the law is an acceptable reason not to be prosercuted. It is your responsibility, when ever entering into a contract to make sure that the contract and person you are entering into the contract with are legal.

But I hear you, you make some very valid points which has gotten me thinking, but still I do not think I am confusing any issues here.
 
Oi.. captainwifi.

Lets get a few things straight.
1) Jawug is not a WISP.
2) We're not afraid of ICASA.
3) Jawug (and other Community networks) aren't designed for commercial use. Most of the Nodes on these networks dont even have UPS', so how can we resell Internet connectivity if we cant provide some sort of guarantee (not that this stops most of the WISP's out there)
4) You can object as much as you like, I'm not forcing you to be a part of it, its not like its costing you anything.

Please, get your facts straight. Its not too much to ask.
 
Hi There,

Just thought i'd clear up some issues. Th InfiNET equipment is neither 802.11 or 802.16. but if you really want to boil it down, it's "closer" to 802.16.

Due to WiMAX not having a set standard at the moment, this equipment follows a "Wimax type" standard. It is an ex-military grade equipment and has the same basic functionality as WiMAX. This is the only reason that it claims to be "Pre-WiMAX". In basic terms, it is a technology all of its own but it just follows a basic WiMAX standard.
 
802.what?

Wi-Nut said:
This guy doesn't know what his talking about...
The infinet products run on 802.16 pre-N, not on 802.11 a,b or g. It can't even be detected by 802.11 products. It does run on the same frequency - that is 2.4 and 5.8.
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I think you have 802.16 confused with 802.11. There is no such thing as 802.16 n or pre n. The only two 802.16 standards are 802.16d and 802.16e. 802.11n is the new WiFi MIMO (Multiple in multiple out) standard. 802.16 (WiMax) is intended for MAN sized networks while 802.11(WiFi) is (was, at least) intended for LAN sized networks.

If your Infinet documentation says 802.16 pre N then Infinet probably made the typo and Miro just repeated the error.
 
Need4Speed said:
I think you have 802.16 confused with 802.11. There is no such thing as 802.16 n or pre n. The only two 802.16 standards are 802.16d and 802.16e. 802.11n is the new WiFi MIMO (Multiple in multiple out) standard. 802.16 (WiMax) is intended for MAN sized networks while 802.11(WiFi) is (was, at least) intended for LAN sized networks.

If your Infinet documentation says 802.16 pre N then Infinet probably made the typo and Miro just repeated the error.
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Well go to Miro and they will explain everything slowly to you...
Maybe then you will understand.
 
captainwifi said:
Spoke to Chris at Miro. What struck me is apparantly they themselves have not
done a 20km LOS link. With wimax you don't need a tower, since Frensnel zone issues
are negated. Rodent does have point, Miro should provide us with proof, get a
Jawug or whomever designate to test this stuff and then report back to this thread.
They want R9000 for a unit. The unit doubles as a base station and CPE. Chris
says NON Line of sight is 6km, but Miro provide us with proof.
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I think someone is spinning a story here. There is no free lunch - fresnel zone requirement does not just vanish - its still a requirement. Anyone deploying WiMax or any other form of wireless without using towers are high buildings are wasting their time and money.

Also - define NON Line of Site? Some trees - a building - a hill? At 6 kms - I doubt it.
 
Let me tell you, I buy a lot from Miro and I always have to return half there stuff as it does not work ! and then the still give **** about not wanting to give me a credit etc. I dont use them anymore, they have raped the market and since there is no senior managment there all seems to be lost
 
Wi-Nut said:
Well go to Miro and they will explain everything slowly to you...
Maybe then you will understand.
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Tell us about their WiMax stuff then ?
 
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