Prem clubs in a financial mess thread

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So this is a thread to discuss clubs that are facing severe financial problems.

First up West Ham

David Sullivan has warned West Ham will face "Armageddon" if they are relegated this season and has prepared all present at Upton Park for substantial pay cuts in the summer.

Sullivan, in conjunction with former Birmingham ally David Gold, took on debts in excess of £100 million when purchasing West Ham last month and has been keen to express his unhappiness at the way the club has been run in recent years.

With financial pressures impacting on the team, West Ham are currently in 18th place in the Premier League and Sullivan is fearful of what relegation would do to a club that has a substantial wage bill. Whether they avoid the drop or not, that is something that Sullivan will urgently address.

"It'll be Armageddon if we go down. It'll be worse than what's gone on at Newcastle," Sullivan said in the Sun. "I can't believe the contracts I've inherited. Every position is overpaid, whether in administration or on the playing side.

"Everyone at the club will be asked to take a salary cut in the summer. The club is in a mess and we all have to pull together. If we go down I can't even consider the situation."

West Ham face Sullivan and Gold's former club Birmingham at Upton Park on Wednesday night and the latter is relishing the chance to tackle a club that he helped take into the top flight last season.

"I was at Birmingham City for years but I really want to give them a good whacking," Gold said. "After 17 years at Birmingham, I think we know how to run a football club, I am certainly a lot wiser than when I first started. All I need now is for the team to start winning. Wednesday night will do for starters."

If I was a West Ham fan I'd be tearing my hair out. They've been badly mismanaged for years. They've made huge amounts from selling their young English stars yet now they find themselves facing relegation and financial meltdown.

Remember the Freddie Ljungberg deal?

Reports have claimed Ljungberg will receive a one-off payment of £6 million from West Ham, who are desperate to reduce their wage bill.

Combined with the £3 million transfer fee paid to Arsenal last year, and his £85,000-a-week wages for last season, West Ham have spent close to £13 million on Ljungberg, who played just 25 games for the club and scored twice.

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Kieron Dyer earns 60 000 a week lying around injured as well.

Looks like another Newcastle :sick:
 
So this is a thread to discuss clubs that are facing severe financial problems.

First up West Ham



If I was a West Ham fan I'd be tearing my hair out. They've been badly mismanaged for years. They've made huge amounts from selling their young English stars yet now they find themselves facing relegation and financial meltdown.

Remember the Freddie Ljungberg deal?



:erm:

Kieron Dyer earns 60 000 a week lying around injured as well.

Looks like another Newcastle :sick:

Newcastle look set to be rejoining the EPL though, probably only to drop back down :D
 
We have to mention the ******** of United by the Glazer *************** machine. In addition to all their draining in profit sharing, their consulting fees and assorted 'professional' help is taking millions out of the club. It's disgusting. Also, they have stated that by the time the principal of THEIR debt is owed (by the club, I still don't know how this is legal) they will not be paying anything toward the debt, but rather will float more shares to cover tha amount.
 
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Randhir , our club is fine now. our debt is around 300 million as per david gill...we sold 504million pound of bonds...we are secure until 2017 and the glazers back the team....

people don't understand our debt and the media is making it seem worse....
 
Randhir , our club is fine now. our debt is around 300 million as per david gill...we sold 504million pound of bonds...we are secure until 2017 and the glazers back the team....

Nope, the situation is just as bad. I'm not talking about the old principal amount, which was around 700m, I'm talking about the amount the Glazers are pulling out of the club. They take consulting fees which run into millions of pounds, and also use their companies when it comes to United ie When Carrington was talking about being sold, it was a Glazer company which would have bought it and leased it back to the club. That training ground is one of the best in the world, and only 9 years old to boot. Then there's profit sharing. We showed a profit in the last year, solely because of the 80m sale of Ronaldo, and from the prospectus used to issue the bonds: from interests, dividends, managements fees and payments to related companies, 565m will drain out of the club by 2017.
 
How can your debt be 300 mil if u issued 504 mil in bonds ? U mean you have 300 which you servicing continously and 500 in the bond ? Total 800 ?
 
David Gill said something like that or a similar amount on bbc air radio...so i rather listen to him :) he says we have 100million to spend...so lets hope we make some signings in the summer...

we put forward 35million euros for benzema...but he choose real madrid over us...so i guess the thoughts that we got no money is rubbish

we did buy Valencia for 17 mil and Smalling for 12 mill...anyway Fergie is United and i trust him...if he is not worried then i am not either.
 
we did buy Valencia for 17 mil and Smalling for 12 mill...anyway Fergie is United and i trust him...if he is not worried then i am not either.

Smalling was 7-8m.

David Gill said something like that or a similar amount on bbc air radio...so i rather listen to him :) he says we have 100million to spend...so lets hope we make some signings in the summer...

David Gill had his salary bumped up 60% in the last two years by the Glazers, so of course his nose smells like Glazer bum.
 
Enough about Manure. May they crash and burn :twisted:

Saw on SKY sports Portsmouth are being told to pay up by the Brit's revenue service. They could be going into administration any day now. IIRC that's a 10 point penalty. Final nail in the coffin /me thinks
 
David Gill said something like that or a similar amount on bbc air radio...so i rather listen to him :) he says we have 100million to spend...so lets hope we make some signings in the summer...

we put forward 35million euros for benzema...but he choose real madrid over us...so i guess the thoughts that we got no money is rubbish

we did buy Valencia for 17 mil and Smalling for 12 mill...anyway Fergie is United and i trust him...if he is not worried then i am not either.

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He ain't no pixie mate... How old is he exactly? What happened the last time an old, legendary geezer ran your club?
 
The Premier LEague clubs are trying to play a dangerous balancing game. SOme clubs are trying to hold onto 'old Englaish club traditions' but in the pro era, 'going American' may be the only way. The amount of debt in the Premier League is scary, it was just a matter of time till a club went bust.
 
Administrator Mark Fry believes Portsmouth should seriously consider administration or face the risk of being liquidated.

Pompey secured a stay of execution on Wednesday when then their winding-up order by HMRC was adjourned until the end of next week.

The debt-ridden club are desperately trying to find a new buyer, but Fry think they have an unrealistic timescale to complete a deal.

Fry, of Begbies Traynor Group, found a new buyer for Southampton when they entered administration last year and he is convinced administration is now their only logical course of action.

Administration would almost certainly mean relegation to the Championship this season and he believes that option is preferential to ceasing to exist at all.

"They have got a reprieve and almost a special privilege," said Fry. "They've been very lucky and need to use the time wisely.

"But trying to get a sale away in the timeframe they have, with that level of debt and with the risk of relegation as well, is a massively tall order.

"If I was them I would be thinking very much down the administration route to gain some protection and time to find something that will probably be far more constructive.

"Administration has certainly got to be a better bet than liquidation, which is the real risk at the moment. My feeling is that Portsmouth escaped on Wednesday afternoon.

"The judge was particularly lenient because, if it was proved the club was insolvent, a winding-up order should have been made."


http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5943068,00.html
 
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He ain't no pixie mate... How old is he exactly? What happened the last time an old, legendary geezer ran your club?

we were a successful club who won the champions league and league titles :)

we are the greatest club in England and arguably the world...so please dude :)

btw SAF is 68 and he will run our club for another 4-5 years.
 
we were a successful club who won the champions league and league titles :)

we are the greatest club in England and arguably the world...so please dude :)

btw SAF is 68 and he will run our club for another 4-5 years.

You are not even the most successful club in Europe, how can you even think you are the greatest club in the world?
 
Peter Storrie has blown wide open to the inside story of where the money has gone at Portsmouth, with Soccernet able to reveal that £131 million has been paid to the players in wages over the past three years.

The under siege Pompey chief executive is angry that insinuations are flying around that the club's cash has been misappropriated in some way.

Soccernet can now reveal hat the players have taken the biggest chunk of the money, the banks have recalled £40 million of loans and the rest has gone in transfer fees.

All the figures have been declared to the courts and to the potential South African buyers with a deal anticipated in the next 48 hours to try to save the club from oblivion.

Storrie gave a frank and revealing interview in the light of veiled allegations that something untoward has occurred at Fratton Park, as the fans have been demanding to know there the money has gone. And TV coverage over the weekend raised questions of what has happened to the money generated by a club that won the FA Cup two years ago.

Storrie said: "If you want to know where the money has gone, look at the accounts. It's no secret, we've had the report submitted to the courts, and we have presented these accountants to prospective new owners. It's there for all to see.

"The bulk of the money has gone to the players in wages. The cost of the players' wages this year is £37 million, last season, when it was running at its height, it was £52 million, and the year before it was £42 million. The vast majority of the money overt the last two to three years has gone on players' wages, and also on their transfer fees.

"It's all very well for Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson to look perplexed about where the money has gone by showing a chart of the players we've bought and looking at that £75 million and adding that to £70 million of debt and asking 'where the £150 million gone?'

"In that period we bought £50 million-plus worth of players and paid out their salaries. The list showed one player sold for £18 million, but they never took off the £4 million sell-on fee to Arsenal or the fact that we paid £4 million for him, so in reality we were paid £10 million not the £18 million shown, and that is just one example.

"It is all so misleading and it leads to one thing, animosity from the supporters who keep asking us where the money has gone. So, it's time they were told. It's gone on the players' wages, on their transfer fees and the bank recalling their loans.

"That is why we have been forced to keep on selling players over the last 15 months - to keep this club alive."

Portsmouth's highest earner is David James, who is paid £50,000-a-week. Apart from the England goalkeeper few players earn a similar salary as so many of the big earners have now been sold off. John Utaka has been widely reported as earning £80,000-a-week, but Storrie made a point of telling Soccernet last week that the real figure is about a third of that. He does, however, boost his earnings with bonus payments.

Storrie poses an interesting question, also, for all those clubs currently running on much larger debts that Portsmouth, with his club having been declared insolvent by their own accountants' report to the courts.

Storrie says: "Yes, we have enormous debts. But don't some other Premier League clubs? Aren't their debts much bigger, in some cases, than ours? The biggest debts are to owners, and they are not calling in their loans.

"When you look at Chelsea, for example, their owner Roman Abramovich wrote off all their massive debts, wrote it all off, and that says it all."

The TV analysts over the weekend also posed the question of why South Africans or anyone else, for that matter, would want to take over a club in such financial turmoil. Storrie has a simple answer to that: "I am fed up with everyone highlighting the debts without every bothering to look at the assets of this football club.

"The assets of this club are its players, their value in the transfer market, and there are some players whom we would value very highly.

"There is then the potential for 100,000 square foot of supermarket. You can imagine what that would be worth."

It has long been suspected that Portsmouth has attracted so many investors because of the lucrative real estate. For now the big battle is over the survival of the very club itself, rather than the potential further down the line to build a new stadium, cash in on the supermarket and realise the huge profits.

For now it's a tightening of belts, as Storrie added: "We are continuing to cut our overheads dramatically and that means the wage bill. There will be a lot more players out of contract at the end of the season and that will be our opportunity to cut the wage bill to make it more realistic to operate within a 20,000 stadium, until such time that we can move on.

"In the past the owners have funded the difference between the income from our limited stadium and the huge wage bill, but once that stopped, when Sasha sold, is when the trouble started."

Storrie as no knowledge that three leading firms have been approached to administer the club's affairs, a move that will see Pompey docked nine points and rubber-stamp their relegation from top-flight football.

Current owner Balram Chainrai, who reluctantly became the club's fourth owner of the season, has been reported to have instructed his legal advisers to look at administration as a serious option. "Not to my knowledge," stressed Storrie, which means it might be possible, but he doesn't know about it.

Chainrai, through his spokesman Phil Hall, has pledged the club won't die, but has not ruled out administration as the final option if a takeover fails to go through in the next 48 hours.

Chainrai, who stands to lose most of the £17 million he advanced in loans guaranteed against the club's shares and freehold of the land, is unwilling to provide further funding to bail the club out, so the only route to salvation in the short term is some kind of help from the Premier League, or failing that a takeover that might help persuade the courts to give more time to pay a £12.1 million Inland Revenue debt.

D-day is March 1 and time is running out as Storrie said: "It's going to be a hectic few days. I am heavily in discussions and not been off the phone all day today again. The next couple of days could prove crucial, its going to be a very busy next 48 hours."

As a detailed accountants' report has been lodged with the courts, due diligence for a new owner can be shortened, and the lawyers are trying to fast track the fifth takeover of their unbelievable season.

The South African consortium, spearheaded by a sports orientated investor, has lodged proof of finances with the lawyers and will, on Monday, lodge those proof of funds with the banks.

Storrie concluded: "Yes, I am hopeful. the club has no price, but the new owners will take over the debts and will be going into this aware of all the financial facts. They will have to come to some kind of arrangement with the Revenue, it will be up to them to reach agreement with the Revenue."

If that fails on Monday, March 1, then Portsmouth's best option to stay alive would be administration and the faintest of hope Avram Grant has of staying the Premier League will disappear.

The argument is growing that with the chances of survival on the pitch almost over, administration is the sensible solution. The Premier League will want to avoid that scenario, but are rapidly running out of options to save them.

Huh :wtf:

131 million in 3 years with the top earner earning only 50 000 a week doesn't add up.
 
Huh :wtf:

131 million in 3 years with the top earner earning only 50 000 a week doesn't add up.

Mm, its possible, even the academy players get salaries, and that 50,000 per week is for their current highest paid player, that might not have been the case last year

Their biggest mistake was hiring Redknapp ;)
everything he touches, burns
 
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Portsmouth have into administration. Points deduction looming. From winning the FA cup to this. Boom and bust indeed
 
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