Is Messi becoming the best player in football history?

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Lionel Messi - Are We Watching The Greatest Player In History?​

Yes. But for those few doubters, I herein present my case:

Throughout the pages of time we have been treated to some of the greatest players to grace a football pitch. These players are widely regarded as heroes, the closest we have come to realising our childhood dreams of Superman, Spiderman, or Batman.

So exceptional are their exhibitions of extraordinary talent and skill that they have been elevated to legendary status as fathers nostalgically tell their sons where they were in 1958 when a 17-year-old Pele deftly flicked and then volleyed home against Sweden or in 1986 when Diego Maradona wove through the England national team. They make seasoned defenders who have devoted their lives to becoming lauded professionals at their respective positions look like nothing more than panicked children - and not just once or twice, but with stunning regularity.

Maradona, Pele, Di Stefano, Beckenbauer, Platini, Baggio, Cruyff, and many more players whose last names alone are sufficient in jogging fond memories were, without a doubt, legends of their time. But fuelled by the power and riches of global commercialisation, the modern age of football now boasts defenders that are bigger, faster, stronger, more skilled, and more tactically intelligent than those that faced players of even 10 or 15 years ago. Today, players are developed from every end of the earth and the football talent pool has become an ocean of players who have become much more specialised in their trade. One wonders if such last names would have been so easily recognised in today’s game.

Today we have our own legends - contemporary idols the likes of Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Ronaldinho, ***a, Wayne Rooney, and Cristiano Ronaldo who have climbed to the height of footballing glory. But while there is no denying what these players have contributed in their careers in making football look like a beautiful dance, there is one player who, despite only being 22 years old, is beginning to tower above them all.

Ironically, that towering figure was originally thought to be too small for competitive football because of a growth hormone deficiency. Standing at just 1.69 m (5 ft 7 in), Barcelona’s Lionel Messi has become the face of footballing legend. Where Zeus was the god of the sky, Poseidon the god of the sea, Hades the god of the Underworld, and Apollo the god of the sun, the ancient Greeks, given the choice of players in history until today, would have chosen Messi as their God of football.

You and I are witnessing history. With a style that initially elicited a likeness to Maradona but has now become all his own, Messi is unstoppable. In dribbling, the ball seems tethered to his boot as he manages to zig-zag through defences and cut past players with his patented stop-start bursts of acceleration, creating and exploiting space that no one else on the pitch or in front of the television can see or could have imagined. His low centre of gravity, long thought to be his biggest flaw among defenders far stronger than he, has become his biggest asset, as despite his stature, he is nearly impossible to catch off balance and acquit of possession.

Once he gets going, the little Argentine leaves opposing defenders, and for that matter opposing fans, with their hearts in their throats and little more than their prayers that he not score. Bamboozling defenders left and right and wrong-footing keepers, it is a wonder Messi has not broken an ankle of those who try to keep pace with his trickery.

There are a number of players who demand the marking of at least two defenders and the attention of an entire defence. Cristiano Ronaldo consistently elicits panic in a backline when the ball is at his feet. In the Premier League, just two years after the record was set, Manchester United’s Wayne Rooney is on pace to break Ronaldo’s mark of 42 goals in a season. But anyone who has seen Messi play, regardless of team partiality, cannot help but admit that 'La Pulga' is operating on a plane all his own.

Winning third, second, and then finally first last year in the Ballon d’Or voting, Messi’s ascension to the very top of the world stage has been well documented. Few can forget his reproduction of Maradona’s 1986 Goal of the Century in the Copa del Rey semi-final against Getafe three years ago when he was just 19 years old at the time. Dispelling any doubt of his ability to perform in big matches, Messi iced the Champions League final last season with a goal against Rooney and Ronaldo’s Manchester United... on a header no less.

This season, the number one player in the Castrol Rankings has continued to score decisive goals, giving Barca their sixth consecutive title at the Club World Cup with his goal in extra time. In La Primera, he is the Pichichi (leading scorer) and in the past seven days, he has scored eight goals. If he continues at the same pace in the remaining 11 La Liga fixtures that remain in the season, he will shatter Hugo Sanchez/Telmo Zarra’s Primera record of 38 goals in a season.

But what makes Messi definitively better than all his contemporaries and all that came before him is not just what he does offensively, but what he does in defence. When coach Pep Guardiola arrived at Barca, he told his Argentinean star, “You are already the best player in the world with the ball – now you must be the best without it”.

The extra work has yielded exponentially great returns. Aside from scoring goals and ravaging defensive schemes, Messi can be seen sprinting all over the pitch in defence, the first to blaze forward to pressure opposing goalkeepers, defenders, and midfielders, and even backtracking deep into his own half to harass forwards in an effort recover possession for his team. All around, there is no player on the planet like Lionel Messi and his teammates seem to agree.

Just one week ago, after Messi scored a hat trick to crush Valencia’s hopes of taking away points from a well-fought match, Blaugrana goalkeeper Victor Valdes voiced his admiration for his small-in-stature teammate. "Messi is already the best player in the world, but he could become the greatest footballer in history”, said Valdes. Yesterday after Messi scored his second consecutive La Liga hat trick against Zaragoza, Barca president Joan Laporta declared that Messi was the best of all time. “He is the best player in the world and in history. Along with Cruyff and Maradona, he is the best Barca has ever had”, said the supremo.

While one does not become the best in history in the course of a single week of hat tricks, Valdes and Laporta’s declarations are no less credible. The simple objective truth is that given his age, skill, personal accolades, and team trophies, Messi is very much near or at the top of footballing history.

However, there is one element that keeps Messi’s unchallenged claim as the best footballer in history in question: World Cup glory. Some attribute his inability to perform with the Argentina national team to a lack of supporting players that he has at Barcelona, some attribute it to a change in position, and some chalk it up to Diego Maradona’s ineptitude as a coach.

Whatever the case may be, Messi has been unable to make the same impact for his country as he has very firmly stamped with his club. In what is rumoured to be an attempt to expose him to a variety of positions so that he can adapt to different roles with the Albiceleste, Guardiola has given Messi more responsibility at Barca than his customary right-wing role, playing him as a centre striker, on the left, and even as a midfielder.

To cement his place as the best footballer to have graced the face of planet Earth, Messi must lead Argentina team to a World Cup title. Whether he does that this summer in South Africa, when he is 26, or when he is 30 remains to be seen. But for a player of such immeasurable talent, it can only be a matter of time before he puts the final piece in place and achieves unparalleled glory - and all of it with a boyish grin and humble praise for his teammates.

With the vast sums of money spent on scouting new talents, more and more often are reports coming to light that tout a youngster to become the next Maradona, the next Pele, the next Zidane, the next Ronaldo (both the Brazilian and the Portuguese). But at just 22 years old, we haven’t even begun to see the next Messi. The ‘Messishow’ is just getting started and when it is done, it will go down as the greatest in footballing history (if it has not done so already).

Prepare your television recorders; players like Messi come once in a lifetime and your children will want to see that which we have the luxury of enjoying firsthand today.
 
Messi has yet to prove himself on the greatest football stage of all & his time is at hand. He has thus far not been able to carry his form over to his national team. He's a great player alright, but he GOATs made their names at the world cup before anywhere else.
 
Messi has led Argentina to an Olympic Gold already.

He is 22 - he still has 3 World Cups he can play in.

Who would bet against him not to achieve at one of those World Cups?
 
Messi has led Argentina to an Olympic Gold already.

He is 22 - he still has 3 World Cups he can play in.

Who would bet against him not to achieve at one of those World Cups?

Lets be honest, Olympic gold does not mean much in football circles.

I think the point here is Messi has not achieved world cup glory YET. So don't give the kid "legendary" status before he rightfully deserves it.

He is a great player and in contention for another player of the year award, but don't jump the gun just yet. Let's see him get a golden boot and a world cup medal first. In my opinion Argentina are going to be the the handbrake on Messi's career. They aren't on the level of Spain, Brazil, Germany, Holland and even England at the moment. They just scraped through into the WC.

Hoping Argentina can get some form together though.
 
Messi has yet to prove himself on the greatest football stage of all & his time is at hand. He has thus far not been able to carry his form over to his national team. He's a great player alright, but he GOATs made their names at the world cup before anywhere else.

I would say that nowadays the champions league is the highest level of football. International football is stale in comparison to club football.

More on topic, "best" titles are meaningless avenues of debate for when a player is long since retired. It seems ridiculous to even bring it up at this stage with regards to Messi
 
Lets be honest, Olympic gold does not mean much in football circles.

I think the point here is Messi has not achieved world cup glory YET. So don't give the kid "legendary" status before he rightfully deserves it.

He is a great player and in contention for another player of the year award, but don't jump the gun just yet. Let's see him get a golden boot and a world cup medal first. In my opinion Argentina are going to be the the handbrake on Messi's career. They aren't on the level of Spain, Brazil, Germany, Holland and even England at the moment. They just scraped through into the WC.

Hoping Argentina can get some form together though.

Some of the greatest footballers to grace the football pitch have never won a World Cup.

Just pointing out that its not all Messi's fault that Argentina are poor. If you follow Argentina play, you would know that Maradona is probably worst than Rafa Benitez when it comes to formations and player selection.

Messi is lost in that team, last year, he played with 10 different players in every match for months in the WC qualifiers. How is a player suppose to excel when the coach is messing the team up?

As I said, he has 3 WC's still to go in his long career. Of he can achieve at CL level, I wouldnt bet against him conquering the WC one day.
 
Messi for however good he may be is way too inconsistent against mediocre defenders. Those names mentioned above are true greats and played against far more disciplined and skilled (as well as intelligent) defenders. The modern game is all about pace - being aggressive and less technical. The true beauty of football stems from the ability to do the simplest things in the game well technically and elegantly.

Messi is undoubtedly up there with the best over the last 10 years or so - but then Barca also had Ronaldo (the Brazil striker), and many would put him above Messi as well. Barca have had many more players more technically gifted and better than Messi in the past, Romario, Laudrup, Nadal, Prosinecki etc - all world class players, who made the best defenders on earth look daft with their time and space on the ball and their invention with it.

To say Messi is better than that at the age of 22 is an empty fruitless statement. Barca may have won everything there was to win last term, but their competition was rather crap on the day, but credit to them. That doesn't put Messi up as the greatest by no means. Perhaps if he keeps going, find some consistency in his game, maybe we are possibly looking at the best player in the world in 3-4 years time. But to say it right now, That's getting a bit too far carried away.
 
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Messi for however good he may be is way too inconsistent against mediocre defenders.

Not too sure what you mean? Mediocre defenders? I dont think there is a defender alive who can stop Messi in a one on one situation.

Those names mentioned above are true greats and played against far more disciplined and skilled (as well as intelligent) defenders. The modern game is all about pace - being aggressive and less technical. The true beauty of football stems from the ability to do the simplest things in the game well technically and elegantly.

I disagree. The defenders in todays game are stronger and much more gifted. You cannot compare defenders in Pele or Maradona's days to defenders today. Defenders today are professionals who are bred from an early age.

Messi is undoubtedly up there with the best over the last 10 years or so - but then Barca also had Ronaldo (the Brazil striker), and many would put him above Messi as well. Barca have had many more players more technically gifted and better than Messi in the past, Romario, Laudrup, Nadal, Prosinecki etc - all world class players, who made the best defenders on earth look daft with their time and space on the ball and their invention with it.

I disagree again. The players you mention have said they have not seen a player as talented as Messi. Laudrup has said that Messi is superhuman and he has never seen a player like him before. I will go as far as to say that Messi makes defenders look even more silly compared to those players you mentioned.

It takes 3/4 defenders to stop Messi on a weekly basis.

To say Messi is better than that at the age of 22 is an empty fruitless statement. Barca may have won everything there was to win last term, but their competition was rather crap on the day, but credit to them.

Crap on the day? How can you say that? They beat everybody.


That doesn't put Messi up as the greatest by no means. Perhaps if he keeps going, find some consistency in his game, maybe we are possibly looking at the best player in the world in 3-4 years time. .

Find consistancy? What do you mean?

Messi has finished in the top 3 players in the world for the past 3 years. At aged 21 he has won every single individual award there is to win.

Is that not consistant enough for you?

Most of your post makes no sense, but hey thats your opinion.
 
Thus proving your status as a Barca fanboy.

Those awards handed out by FIFA are the same old story - generated by media hype rather than ability.

There is not a single defender in world football apart from maybe Puyol and Chielini at Juve who warrant a mention as a true defender at all.

And if you watch La Liga as a neutral, you will notice Messi goes missing in matches for 50-60 minutes during most matches in a season.

I actually rate Rooney higher than Messi, not on talent alone, but drive, athletic ability, strength, power and pace.

No one is doubting Messi's abilities - just some things you need to take in consideration.
 
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Not too sure what you mean? Mediocre defenders? I dont think there is a defender alive who can stop Messi in a one on one situation.

I disagree. The defenders in todays game are stronger and much more gifted. You cannot compare defenders in Pele or Maradona's days to defenders today. Defenders today are professionals who are bred from an early age.


most defenders don't start off as defenders, they are generally centre fowards or wide players who are found to be better suited at the back. so statement is again...empty.

and about the one on ones, you mean to tell me out of 5 one on ones, Messi will beat his defender/marker everytime? LOL - this ain't FIFA10.

please.
 
Thus proving your status as a Barca fanboy.

Those awards handed out by FIFA are the same old story - generated by media hype rather than ability.

There is not a single defender in world football apart from maybe Puyol and Chielini at Juve who warrant a mention as a true defender at all.

And if you watch La Liga as a neutral, you will notice Messi goes missing in matches for 50-60 minutes during most matches in a season.

I actually rate Rooney higher than Messi, not on talent alone, but drive, athletic ability, strength, power and pace.

No one is doubting Messi's abilities - just some things you need to take in consideration.

+1
 
Thus proving your status as a Barca fanboy.

Those awards handed out by FIFA are the same old story - generated by media hype rather than ability.

There is not a single defender in world football apart from maybe Puyol and Chielini at Juve who warrant a mention as a true defender at all.

And if you watch La Liga as a neutral, you will notice Messi goes missing in matches for 50-60 minutes during most matches in a season.

I actually rate Rooney higher than Messi, not on talent alone, but drive, athletic ability, strength, power and pace.

No one is doubting Messi's abilities - just some things you need to take in consideration.

Most defenders in today's game will walk all over defenders from the 70,'s, 80's, 90's etc. If you cant understand that, then this debate is useless.

So the FIFA World Player of the year, European player of the year award doesnt consider achievements or a players ability? Its just media hype?

Rrrrrrrright

I stopped reading when you said you rate Rooney better than Messi.

Messi is MILES better than Rooney. Let me guess, you and EPL fanoby? Rooney is having the season of his life yet most rate Messi better than him.

You rate Rooney stronger on the ball than Messi? Faster than Messi? LoL Are we talking about the current world player of the year Messi?

You clearly dont watch La Liga enough if you think Messi goes missing for 60 minutes in most matches.

most defenders don't start off as defenders, they are generally centre fowards or wide players who are found to be better suited at the back. so statement is again...empty.

and about the one on ones, you mean to tell me out of 5 one on ones, Messi will beat his defender/marker everytime? LOL - this ain't FIFA10.

please.

Show me one player in World Football who can do what Messi does to a defender?

Show me one player who consistantly beats 4 defenders on a weekly basis?
 
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Deportivo La Coruna Coach Lotina: Lionel Messi Is The Best I've Ever Seen; Better Than Maradona​

Deportivo La Coruna coach Miguel Angel Lotina has declared that Barcelona striker Lionel Messi is the most complete player he has ever seen and better than Diego Maradona.

Messi's recent exploits for the Blaugrana, which have included an incredible 11 goals in his last five outings, has seen the 22-year-old Argentinian draw praise from several quarters in Spanish football and the Depor coach is the latest to laud the talent of the superstar from Rosario.

"For a long time, for many years I have been saying that he [Messi] is the best I've ever seen. For me he is the most complete player I have ever seen and he is better than Maradona," Lotina told a press conference.

"Maradona was probably equal to him from the dead ball but in other things Messi is much better, much faster and much more skillful. He is far better with the utmost respect to other players."
 
Son, I stopped reading your post when you said "Most defenders in today's game will walk all over defenders from the 70,'s, 80's, 90's etc. If you cant understand that, then this debate is useless." THAT in itself tells me you know very little about football as a whole, apart from what you read about or hear the commentators say.

Either which way, our opinions on football obviously differ - yours are on the basis of hype and you're having a hissy fit over how many defenders Messi can beat - Jesus bud, here's 5 bux take a walk down the street and buy yourself a clue. (5bux will probably get you something with ESPN on it).

I think Messi is a good footballer - I think at this moment in time, Rooney is a better all-round player than Messi is. I am a Gooner. Don't support Man Utd. I'm a neutral in this debate, and as a neutral, you can only call it as you see it.

You, on the other hand, are a Barca fan - and you are letting your affiliation to your 'team' get the better of your football judgement (if any) and you're getting emotional over something I'm now starting to realise you know very little about.

I like Messi - but he wouldn't be in my World's greatest 11 team - but to each his own.
 
Deportivo La Coruna Coach Lotina: Lionel Messi Is The Best I've Ever Seen; Better Than Maradona​

Lotina should spend more time teaching his centre forward how to trap a ball and his holding midfielder how to man mark an opponent out of the game, rather than blabbering to the media about other team's players. It is little wonder Lotina's teams could never defend a dead ball. You're treating his statement as gospel, yet he has won ONE MAJOR HONOUR his entire career as a coach! Heavy.

Again, you're following the hype that stems from the media. Everyone with half a brain in world football knows the Spanish giants have their hands in the media to spin their every gossip. Come on, I thought you knew about European Football. heh
 
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Iam not a barca fan , but its so obvious that Messi is one of the greatest players of all time , and no its not type.Watching him recently he's amazing.Have'nt seen skills like that before.Ive watched football since the maradona days , and the likes of Baggio , Fat ronaldo , Romario etc dont come close to messi.He's a special talent.

Son, I stopped reading your post when you said "Most defenders in today's game will walk all over defenders from the 70,'s, 80's, 90's etc. If you cant understand that, then this debate is useless." THAT in itself tells me you know very little about football as a whole, apart from what you read about or hear the commentators say.

Either which way, our opinions on football obviously differ - yours are on the basis of hype and you're having a hissy fit over how many defenders Messi can beat - Jesus bud, here's 5 bux take a walk down the street and buy yourself a clue. (5bux will probably get you something with ESPN on it).

I think Messi is a good footballer - I think at this moment in time, Rooney is a better all-round player than Messi is. I am a Gooner. Don't support Man Utd. I'm a neutral in this debate, and as a neutral, you can only call it as you see it.

You, on the other hand, are a Barca fan - and you are letting your affiliation to your 'team' get the better of your football judgement (if any) and you're getting emotional over something I'm now starting to realise you know very little about.

I like Messi - but he wouldn't be in my World's greatest 11 team - but to each his own.
 
Son, I stopped reading your post when you said "Most defenders in today's game will walk all over defenders from the 70,'s, 80's, 90's etc. If you cant understand that, then this debate is useless." THAT in itself tells me you know very little about football as a whole, apart from what you read about or hear the commentators say.

Either which way, our opinions on football obviously differ - yours are on the basis of hype and you're having a hissy fit over how many defenders Messi can beat - Jesus bud, here's 5 bux take a walk down the street and buy yourself a clue. (5bux will probably get you something with ESPN on it).

I think Messi is a good footballer - I think at this moment in time, Rooney is a better all-round player than Messi is. I am a Gooner. Don't support Man Utd. I'm a neutral in this debate, and as a neutral, you can only call it as you see it.

You, on the other hand, are a Barca fan - and you are letting your affiliation to your 'team' get the better of your football judgement (if any) and you're getting emotional over something I'm now starting to realise you know very little about.

I like Messi - but he wouldn't be in my World's greatest 11 team - but to each his own.

Yes I am a Barca fan and no hype is not the reason why I am going on about Messi. Anybody with a brain can see that Messi is a special talent.

So let me get this straight, you think defenders in Pele's days are better than defenders in todays game? :D :D Now tell me you really believe that?

I honestly fail to see how Rooney can be any better than Messi.

Lotina should spend more time teaching his centre forward how to trap a ball and his holding midfielder how to man mark an opponent out of the game, rather than blabbering to the media about other team's players. It is little wonder Lotina's teams could never defend a dead ball. You're treating his statement as gospel, yet he has won ONE MAJOR HONOUR his entire career as a coach! Heavy.

Again, you're following the hype that stems from the media. Everyone with half a brain in world football knows the Spanish giants have their hands in the media to spin their every gossip. Come on, I thought you knew about European Football. heh

If Lotina isnt good enough, should i quote Zidanne?

Hows anout Luis Enrique?
Maradona himself?

Maybe current players like David Villa and Higuain?

All of the above has declared Messi as being like Maradona or even better. There is an extremely long list of past footballers and coaches who have all said that Messi is proving to be the greatest player in history.

Maybe when Messi makes a fool out of your entire Arsenal's back 4, you will start to realise Messi isnt just a ''good'' footballer as you put it but a GREAT one!
 
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