Cricket - ICC Twenty20 World Cup 2010

[Sting]

Hosted by the West Indies, the men's tournament will be contested by 12 teams, which have been split into four groups of three. There are two seeded teams in each group.

Group A
Pakistan - A1
Bangladesh - A2
Australia

Group B
Sri Lanka - B1
New Zealand - B2
Zimbabwe

Group C
South Africa - C1
India - C2
Afghanistan

Group D
West Indies - D1
England - D2
Ireland

Each group will be played on a round-robin basis with the top two sides progressing to the Super Eight stages.

In the Super Eight stages the groups will be made up of the following teams:

Group E
A1 - Pakistan
[-]B2 - New Zealand[/-]
[-]C1 - South Africa[/-]
D2 - England

Group F
B1 - Sri Lanka
A2 - Australia
[-]C2 - India[/-]
[-]D1 - West Indies[/-]

Team names for the Super Eight stage are indicative, based on the top two teams from the Group stage qualifying.

If these two teams do qualify, they will be seeded in position one and two as specified, regardless of whether they finish first or second in their group. For example, if Bangladesh wins Group A and Pakistan comes second, for the purposes of the Super Eights, Pakistan will still be A1 and Bangladesh will be A2. If for example, Australia qualifies instead of Bangladesh, Australia will be A2.

Each side will play three matches, on a round-robin basis, with the top two teams progressing to the semi-finals.

Date - Venue - Teams
Fri 30 April - Guyana - Sri Lanka v New Zealand (18h30)
Fri 30 April - Guyana - West Indies v Ireland (22h30)
Sat 1 May - St. Lucia - India v Afghanistan (15h15)
Sat 1 May - St. Lucia - Pakistan v Bangladesh (19h00)
Sun 2 May - St. Lucia - South Africa v India (15h00)
Sun 2 May - St. Lucia - Pakistan v Australia (19h00)
Mon 3 May - Guyana - Sri Lanka v Zimbabwe (15h15)
Mon 3 May - Guyana - West Indies v England (19h00)
Tue 4 May - Guyana - New Zealand v Zimbabwe (15h15)
Tue 4 May - Guyana - England v Ireland (19h15) [NO RESULT]
Wed 5 May - Barbados - Bangladesh v Australia (18h45)
Wed 5 May - Barbados - South Africa v Afghanistan (22h30)

Thu 6 May - Barbados - Pakistan v England (15h30)
Thu 6 May - Barbados - South Africa v New Zealand (19h30)
Fri 7 May - Barbados - Australia v India (15h30)
Fri 7 May - Barbados - Sri Lanka v West Indies (19h30)
Sat 8 May - Barbados - Pakistan v New Zealand (15h30)
Sat 8 May - Barbados - England v South Africa (19h30)
Sun 9 May - Barbados - India v West Indies (15h30)
Sun 9 May - Barbados - Sri Lanka v Australia (19h30)
Mon 10 May - St. Lucia - Pakistan v South Africa (15h30)
Mon 10 May - St. Lucia - New Zealand v England (19h30)
Tue 11 May - St. Lucia - Sri Lanka v India (19h00)
Tue 11 May - St. Lucia - West Indies v Australia (23h00)

Thu 13 May - St. Lucia - Semi-final 1: England vs Sri Lanka
Fri 14 May - St. Lucia - Semi-final 2: Australia vs Pakistan

Sun 16 May - Barbados - Men's Final: England vs Australia (17h30)

[Sting]

Warm-up matches

27 April 2010
Windward XI v Pakistan, Beausejour Cricket Ground, St Lucia
Windward XI v Pakistan, Beausejour Cricket Ground, St Lucia
Australia v Zimbabwe, Beausejour Cricket Ground, St Lucia
Ireland v New Zealand, Guyana National Stadium, Guyana
West Indies v Afghanistan, Guyana National Stadium, Guyana

28 April 2010
Sri Lanka v South Africa, Kensington Oval, Barbados
Bangladesh v England, Kensington Oval, Barbados
Ireland v Afghanistan, Guyana National Stadium, Guyana
West Indies v New Zealand, Guyana National Stadium, Guyana

29 April 2010
Windward XI v Australia, Beausejour Cricket Ground, St Lucia
England v South Africa, Kensington Oval, Barbados
Pakistan v Zimbabwe, Beausejour Cricket Ground, St Lucia

[killadoob]

Afghanistan

:eek: WTF?

[Sting]

Afghanistan

:eek: WTF?

Yep!

http://icc-cricket.yahoo.net/the-icc/icc_members/profile.php?countryCode=ICC_AFFILIATE_MEMBERS_AFGH AN

[midrange]

Afghanistan have a strong local cricket following, not surprising given their location. I'm more amazed that the second team in Group D still have the gall to call themselves "England". ;)

[killadoob]

Afghanistan have a strong local cricket following, not surprising given their location. I'm more amazed that the second team in Group D still have the gall to call themselves "England". ;)

Why how many SA's play for them?

[Chris]

I'm not getting my hopes up because the Proteas are professional chokers.

[midrange]

Why how many SA's play for them?

Not a cricket follower?

[stefan9]

They have more now with lumb and kieswetter also being SA born. Strauss doesn't play t20 so at least that's one less. They are getting close to fielding an 11 of SA born players.

[midrange]

Well, they're dropping Saffas for Saffas at the moment. I find it slightly odd that the wanton poaching sits well with the English cricket public/players. The latter particularly must be slightly peeved.

[krycor]

Anyone set up the fantasy league yet?

[Morgoth]

I would pay tickets to see an Afghanistan crowd against England :)

[Khanya]

Every group is so predictable, who's advancing.

[killadoob]

Not a cricket follower?

Yes i am but the way people talk is like england only have SA's playing for them. So are you going to answer my question or just follow up with another question?

They may be SA born people but they are not SA anymore so i am not sure what the issue is. It just means England will choke because anyone born in SA who goes into cricket has a choking mentality :D.

[cr@zydude]

Every group is so predictable, who's advancing.

What? The World T20 has shown that it is VERY unpredicatble! Notice how Aus is an unranked team and Bangledesh are rank. Hell, even Ireland would be ranked if they were a test playing team. Every group except group C (I'm going to say Afganistan don't stand a chance) could throw up a surprise.

[JK8]

Poor Afghans they in a tough group, beat SA hmmmm, I think they just might... :)

What time will the games be played local time?

[Stephen]

Poor Afghans they in a tough group, beat SA hmmmm, I think they just might... :)

What time will the games be played local time?

I could see Afghans beating India easily, the arrogance of the India team will be there downfall. Although Tendulkar is not playing so the arrogance level will be less, but still high

[killadoob]

Tendulkar arrogant?

Geez where does that come, he is a very humble man and far from arrogant. Aussies are arrogant, SA are arrogant but when did the indians become arrogant?

[Stephen]

Tendulkar arrogant?

Geez where does that come, he is a very humble man and far from arrogant. Aussies are arrogant, SA are arrogant but when did the indians become arrogant?

From the same place you calling the South Africans arrogant. Oh wait I remember, you are one of those where a captain cannot compliment his own team!!!

[killadoob]

From the same place you calling the South Africans arrogant. Oh wait I remember, you are one of those where a captain cannot compliment his own team!!!

You have lost me somewhere, what are you talking about? Please answer why you think tendulkar is arrogant?

[Stephen]

You have lost me somewhere, what are you talking about? Please answer why you think tendulkar is arrogant?

Easy, post match interviews come across as very smug. Secondly I have often heard him say the exact same type of things that when the Proteas players say them they are accused of being arrogant. For example, "Player x is performing well and top of his game" and "Our guys are confident we believe in ourselves"

[Devill]

Wed 5 May - Barbados - South Africa v Afghanistan
Wed 5 May - St. Kitts - West Indies v South Africa

???? We playing two games on one day? In two different locations?

[JK8]

I could see Afghans beating India easily, the arrogance of the India team will be there downfall. Although Tendulkar is not playing so the arrogance level will be less, but still high

The Indian team might be arrogant, they are because they have Tendulkar, the worlds best batsmen in their team, but Tendulkar as person and player is not arrogant!!!
Why dont you like the guy??

[stefan9]

Sachin isn't arrogant but the likes of harbhajan,sehwag,yuvraj and dhoni are some of the most arrogant players you will find in world cricket.

[JK8]

Sachin isn't arrogant but the likes of harbhajan,sehwag,yuvraj and dhoni are some of the most arrogant players you will find in world cricket.

While I agree with you, i cant help think you have something against the Indians... What about Smithers, Ponting, Afridi etc...

[killadoob]

While I agree with you, i cant help think you have something against the Indians... What about Smithers, Ponting, Afridi etc...

Who cares who he arrogant though, honestly does it make the slightest bit of difference? I just wish our arrogance was because we are so good in cup comps :(.

[Stephen]

The Indian team might be arrogant, they are because they have Tendulkar, the worlds best batsmen in their team, but Tendulkar as person and player is not arrogant!!!
Why dont you like the guy??


While I agree with you, i cant help think you have something against the Indians... What about Smithers, Ponting, Afridi etc...

Ah just want to be a bit different, its seems to be the norm to dis the Proteas and its players, So I am going the other way for a change

[killadoob]

Yup and they will get dissed time and again unless they start performing.

I can almost guarantee kallis will not open the batting for us even though it has been proven he should!!!!!!! So we will once again sit with the run rate killing kallis at no 3. I also think the aussies will win this, possibly a final with india.

[JK8]

Yup and they will get dissed time and again unless they start performing.

I can almost guarantee kallis will not open the batting for us even though it has been proven he should!!!!!!! So we will once again sit with the run rate killing kallis at no 3. I also think the aussies will win this, possibly a final with india.

Kallis is an idiot at number 1, 2 or 3. He had a good run at the IPL thus far. But he is still a selfish player, he would rather kill a game to get his 50 then play for the team.
I rank Aus quite high, they have match winning batsmen and destructive bowlers, but I think its SL's turn this year.

[killadoob]

Kallis is an idiot at number 1, 2 or 3. He had a good run at the IPL thus far. But he is still a selfish player, he would rather kill a game to get his 50 then play for the team.
I rank Aus quite high, they have match winning batsmen and destructive bowlers, but I think its SL's turn this year.

Yup i feel exactly the same about him. I hope he gets injured before the world cup so he does not throw a hissy fit if he gets left out.

[Khanya]

True.. Kallis should be preserved for one day and tests. We need to manifest some fresh-young talent.

[JK8]

Yup i feel exactly the same about him. I hope he gets injured before the world cup so he does not throw a hissy fit if he gets left out.

But he is also good player, just need to change his mindset, he needs some therapy :p
But then again he is old and you cant teach an old dog new tricks, so ye let him go.

[Stephen]

And I am proven right.

I actually hope we win this 20/20, so when the Proteas lose to Bangladesh 3 - 0 in a test series. I can say "The Result doesnt matter because we won an ICC tournament" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Drop Kallis - lovely. So we can watch that 10 run innings of Bosman

[killadoob]

And I am proven right.

I actually hope we win this 20/20, so when the Proteas lose to Bangladesh 3 - 0 in a test series. I can say "The Result doesnt matter because we won an ICC tournament" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Drop Kallis - lovely. So we can watch that 10 run innings of Bosman

Dude we won't win this tournament if kallis bats at no 3. If he opens yes maybe we have a shot. At least you know bosman will look to score fast and not worry about his stats.

Stephan dude there is more to life than being proven right, not sure you realize this :D

[Stephen]

20/20 its not just about slogging, Dehli Daredevils can vouch for that. Sehwag, Warner, Gambhir and Dilshan and look where that team ended up.

[killadoob]

20/20 its not just about slogging, Dehli Daredevils can vouch for that. Sehwag, Warner, Gambhir and Dilshan and look where that team ended up.

Mumbai Indians* 13 10 3 - - 20 1.251
Deccan Chargers* 14 8 6 - - 16 -0.297
Chennai Super Kings* 14 7 7 - - 14 0.274
Royal Challengers Bangalore* 14 7 7 - - 14 0.219
Delhi Daredevils 14 7 7 - - 14 0.021

Maybe if they slogged more they would not be lying 5th. Not sure what your point is about a team that is lying outside the semi's?

[stefan9]

While I agree with you, i cant help think you have something against the Indians... What about Smithers, Ponting, Afridi etc...

Ponting has the right to be arrogant given how succesfull he has been. Afridi is just an idiot. Smith is arrogant but nowhere close to yuvi and dhoni.

[Stephen]

Mumbai Indians* 13 10 3 - - 20 1.251
Deccan Chargers* 14 8 6 - - 16 -0.297
Chennai Super Kings* 14 7 7 - - 14 0.274
Royal Challengers Bangalore* 14 7 7 - - 14 0.219
Delhi Daredevils 14 7 7 - - 14 0.021

Maybe if they slogged more they would not be lying 5th. Not sure what your point is about a team that is lying outside the semi's?

The point is pretty simple actually, Bangalore with Kallis contributing is in the semis unlike Dehli with its team of power-hitters...

[HalaalPornstar]

Anyone set up the MyBB Fantasy League yet?

[Sting]

???? We playing two games on one day? In two different locations?

Thanks!! Included 2 of the Ladies' matches...

[Devill]

Thanks!! Included 2 of the Ladies' matches...

Haha :D

Just thought that the cricket season is really getting cramped if we hae to play 2 matches on one day in a world tournament :p

[Mike Hoxbig]

We're playing Sri Lanka in a warm-up match today. Scheduled start is in about 20 minutes.

[Synaesthesia]

Zim beat Australia in a warm-up. Gotta love that.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Rory Kleinveldt gets Dilshan 2nd ball :)

[Devill]

Sri Lanka 6/1 (1.4/20 ov)

[Mike Hoxbig]

Jayawardene gone, 20/2 after 3.3 overs.

[Mike Hoxbig]

25/4!

[Devill]

Well the bowling looks ok.

Still not being able to finish off the last couple of bats seems to be a problem. CK Kapugedera not out 61 35 3 5 174.28, from nr 7 :(

We won with 3 balls to spare chasing 137.

Batsman, runs, SR
GC Smith* 2 25.00

LL Bosman 20 142.85

HH Gibbs 26 83.87

AB de Villiers 21 80.76

MV Boucher† not out 33 165.00

J Botha 29 170.58

RK Kleinveldt not out 1 100.00

Where is Killa and JK8 now so they can please tell me how Gibbs "won us the game with a below 100 SR?

Boucher seems to still be in good nick. Can almost not believe how well botha did :eek:
Nice fast contribution from Loots.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Yeah Botha batted pretty well. I wonder what's changed because he looked fairly average before.

[Khanya]

It's only one match, freak.

[Devill]

It's only one match, freak.

Well Botha had a lot of time to work on his batting as he did not play in the IPL... Why are you so negative? Did you see the innings?

[killadoob]

Gibbs is in a bit of a rock and hard place, he goes hammer and tong and gets out cheap he will lose his spot.

They need to say to gibbs go and play you are guaranteed a spot. Simple really he is under pressure and knows going out cheap will more than likely rule him out. Give him the backing and confidence to play the hershelle way.

[Devill]

Gibbs is in a bit of a rock and hard place, he goes hammer and tong and gets out cheap he will lose his spot.

They need to say to gibbs go and play you are guaranteed a spot. Simple really he is under pressure and knows going out cheap will more than likely rule him out. Give him the backing and confidence to play the hershelle way.

O so when Gibbs does this, it is no problem but when Kallis scores a 50 from 45 balls it is a problem :wtf:

[killadoob]

The difference is kallis has to me always looked to keep his wicket than take chances in any format. He is not worried about being dropped? So what is your point exactly? Does kallis bat slow and destroy run rates for fear of being dropped or what?

[JK8]

Well the bowling looks ok.

Still not being able to finish off the last couple of bats seems to be a problem. CK Kapugedera not out 61 35 3 5 174.28, from nr 7 :(

We won with 3 balls to spare chasing 137.

Batsman, runs, SR
GC Smith* 2 25.00

LL Bosman 20 142.85

HH Gibbs 26 83.87

AB de Villiers 21 80.76

MV Boucher† not out 33 165.00

J Botha 29 170.58

RK Kleinveldt not out 1 100.00

Where is Killa and JK8 now so they can please tell me how Gibbs "won us the game with a below 100 SR?

Boucher seems to still be in good nick. Can almost not believe how well botha did :eek:
Nice fast contribution from Loots.

It was a warm up game, he was warming up... whats the point in showing off in a warm up game?

[Devill]

It was a warm up game, he was warming up... whats the point in showing off in a warm up game?

so kallis scoring a 50 from 45 balls is worse than gibbs scoring 27 from 31 balls :wtf:

Yes that makes a lot of sense.

[Mike Hoxbig]

We made 125/5. If not for Albie and JP at the end, I doubt we would have made it past 110.

Seems like it's going to be a low-scoring tournament considering the other scores so far.

[Smurfatefrog]

England 24/3, all 3 wickets down are South African's

[Devill]

Eng need 33 from 22 balls.

[Stephen]

And England won. :mad: :sick:

Thank goodness Kallis wasnt batting, then we really would have battered poorly :rolleyes:

[AirWolf]

And England won. :mad: :sick:

Thank goodness Kallis wasnt batting, then we really would have battered poorly :rolleyes:

It is just a warm up game. Kallis did pretty well in the IPL.

[killadoob]

LOL @ the okes taking these warms up so seriously. Seems england is our bogey team. Getting hammered by them of late.

Seems the slow kallis batting has filtered through to smithers haha, 57 strike rate for an opener is not good at all :D, imagine is kallis opened we may not even have made 100 :eek:

[stefan9]

Really hope our boys getting their batting sorted asap. Other results from today is that zimbabwe got another upset beating pakistan to go with their win vs aus earlier in the week. Afghanistan also beat ireland.

[Stephen]

LOL @ the okes taking these warms up so seriously. Seems england is our bogey team. Getting hammered by them of late.

Seems the slow kallis batting has filtered through to smithers haha, 57 strike rate for an opener is not good at all :D, imagine is kallis opened we may not even have made 100 :eek:

Lol look at Bosman and Gibbs

[Devill]

LOL @ the okes taking these warms up so seriously. Seems england is our bogey team. Getting hammered by them of late.

Seems the slow kallis batting has filtered through to smithers haha, 57 strike rate for an opener is not good at all :D, imagine is kallis opened we may not even have made 100 :eek:

So if kallis hit 50 of 45 balls I am sure the rest o the team could fillin another 90 from 75 balls. 140 on the cards.

[killadoob]

So if kallis hit 50 of 45 balls I am sure the rest o the team could fillin another 90 from 75 balls. 140 on the cards.

Well i sure hope so but i would imagine 140 is minimum :D. I really hope i am wrong but we shall see. Going to be a feat this weekend :D. Omw i am not quite sure how i will watch all the sport :(.

Need a bloody pvr dammit.

[Sting]

Have added the SS2 broadcast times in OP...

[Devill]

Well i sure hope so but i would imagine 140 is minimum :D. I really hope i am wrong but we shall see. Going to be a feat this weekend :D. Omw i am not quite sure how i will watch all the sport :(.

Need a bloody pvr dammit.

:D Yeah the T20WC starts today woohooo. And the stormers game tonight... I can not wait!

[JK8]

Have added the SS2 broadcast times in OP...

Is that the start times? 22:30 at night? :( so late

[Devill]

Is that the start times? 22:30 at night? :( so late

No it is 22:30 in the morning :p

Well we can always ask the WI to move a timezone or 6.....

[JK8]

No it is 22:30 in the morning :p

Well we can always ask the WI to move a timezone or 6.....

But has it always been like this? What was the start times when WI hosted the WC?

[Devill]

But has it always been like this? What was the start times when WI hosted the WC?

WC ODI Games are longer by about 60 overs IIRC :p

Thus where the games started at maybe 6pm they now start at 10:30pm because instead of 100 overs being played it is only 40 overs ;)

[stefan9]

But has it always been like this? What was the start times when WI hosted the WC?

The wc cup games were all day games so they started around 14:00 - 15:00. The 20/20 games are afternoon/evening games. Games are starting at 13:00 and 17:00 local time which actually earlier than what the ipl games in india started locally.

[JK8]

The wc cup games were all day games so they started around 14:00 - 15:00. The 20/20 games are afternoon/evening games. Games are starting at 13:00 and 17:00 local time which actually earlier than what the ipl games in india started locally.

But all games should accommodate UK times right?
A game lasts for about 4 hours? That means a 22:30 game would end at 2:30... :(

[killadoob]

We must watch when it's played simple as that. No point moaning the times are set so just pukker up and get ready to enjoy it :D.

[Mike Hoxbig]

But all games should accommodate UK times right?
A game lasts for about 4 hours? That means a 22:30 game would end at 2:30... :(

We're two hours ahead, so the game would end at 00:00 UK time.

[cr@zydude]

We're two hours ahead, so the game would end at 00:00 UK time.

We are only 1 hour ahead of the UK at the moment, they are using daylight savings time.

[JK8]

Oh well!!
Go India and Afghanistan!!!
Just FYI I rate the Afghans higher than Bangladesh, hope the Proteas do to. If SA loses to India, I doubt they'll make it up with Afghanistan...

[synapseZA]

NZ vs SL about to start.

[Stephen]

Oh well!!
. If SA loses to India, I doubt they'll make it up with Afghanistan...

Yeah right, I will bookmark this comment.

Although Sachin "Dare to criticize him and face burning effigies" Tendulkar isnt playing so India has a chance

[cr@zydude]

Yeah right, I will bookmark this comment.

Although Sachin "Dare to criticize him and face burning effigies" Tendulkar isnt playing so India has a chance

What? Are you saying that Tendulkar not playing is good for India's T20 challenge? :confused:

[Stephen]

What? Are you saying that Tendulkar not playing is good for India's T20 challenge? :confused:

Well the only time India has won an Icc Tournament is when Tendulkar hasnt played. Nor has his IPL team won either. Even the proper Indian fans (not those South African Indian fans :sick: ) have mentioned this.

[Sting]

First game - New Zealand beat Sri Lanka - 2nd last ball hit for 6 !!

[synapseZA]

First game - New Zealand beat Sri Lanka - 2nd last ball hit for 6 !!

Damn that was close! NZ never really looked in the game, but those dropped catches and missed run outs really cost SL.

[Sting]

West Indies crush Ireland.

[Celine]

i look forward to SA getting to the semi finals only to lose by 1 run. *sigh*.(repeat of previous games)

[stefan9]

This tournament is heading towards disappointment imho. Pitches seem dreadfull. Just as slow as they were during the windies vs zim odi series. Doesn't make for good t20 cricket.

[JK8]

Ye just like the last world cup. Poor pitches, slow outfield, long boundaries. Music isn't everyones taste. Dancers not so nice looking.

Afghans looking good, they up against a worldclass side and doing ok.

[Mike Hoxbig]

C'mon Bangladesh! Ashraful and Al Hasan are batting very well!

[AirWolf]

i look forward to SA getting to the semi finals only to lose by 1 run. *sigh*.(repeat of previous games)

The mandatory semi-final exit, sigh...

[Sting]

2 big games today.... SA v India and then Pakistan v Australia!

[JK8]

Go India!!

[synapseZA]

2 big games today.... SA v India and then Pakistan v Australia!

Both games should be thrillers. Saw there is some rain showers about...lets hope they stay far away during the game.

GO Graeme and the boys!

[Sting]

Go India!!

Go home! :twisted:

[MongooseMan]

Has anyone managed to find out exactly what games Sabc is broadcasting? I see on the CSA website that they're broadcasting 18 games, including all of the Proteas, the semi's and the finals. That leaves a fair amount of unaccounted for matches, anyone got a program for what those other matches entail?

Edit: OK, did some digging myself and came up with this:
SABC Broadcast matches:
Sun 2 May: 3pm - SA vs India
Mon 3 May: 3pm - Sri Lanka vs Zimbabwe
Tues 4 May: 3pm - NZ vs Zim; 7:30pm - Eng vs Ireland
Wed 5th May: 3pm - Aus vs Bang; 7:30pm - SA vs Afg
Thurs 6th May: 3pm - A1 (Pak/Aus) vs D2 (Eng/Ire); 7:30pm - C1 (SA/Afg) vs B2 (NZ/Zim)
Fri 7th May: 3pm A2 (Bang/Aus) vs C2 (Ind/Afg)

That's as far as they go on the Dstv website. If anyone has more info, let me know.

[Khanya]

Are we watching a test match? *Shaking his head, watching S.A vs India*

[lilggg]

We choking and its not even the knockout stages yet.

[Khanya]

Them Indians have upped the rate!

[lilggg]

If we actually had spinners hwo could bowl.We dont stand a chance in hell chasing 9 an over against spin.

[killadoob]

You know this choking thing is amazing, every bad bowl bowled i could imagine people saying o look he choked haha.

We are in big kuk here, best start preying :D.

[Khanya]

If we actually had spinners hwo could bowl.We dont stand a chance in hell chasing 9 an over against spin.

And them Indians spinners are used to these type'a'conditions.

[lilggg]

Im sure there must be better spinners in SA than Van der merwe and Botha.

[Sting]

Im sure there must be better spinners in SA than Van der merwe and Botha.

Name them?

[Khanya]

Kallis opening... I like it. Watch him go at snail's pace...

[lilggg]

Daryn smit,he can actually turn the ball.Even tho hes a wicket keeper,i still think hes better than them.Even duminy

[lilggg]

Wooh,we off to a flyer.4 an over.

[lilggg]

Lol,we gonna wait for the run rate to hit 15 an over b4 we go for it.its already nearly 11.

[lilggg]

Afghanistan r gna knock us out.

[Khanya]

End of powerplay... Only 32...

[BaTouSai]

Is there a league for the mybb peeps in the Standard Bank T20 Fantasy league yet???

[killadoob]

Go kallis you beauty!!!!!!!!

Nothing quite like watching kallis destroy run rates :(

[BaTouSai]

Go kallis you beauty!!!!!!!!

Nothing quite like watching kallis destroy run rates :(

LOL

[lilggg]

Kallis has teh best run rate,just shows u how fast we going.

[killadoob]

LOL

It is not a joke man :(, i actually want to cry when i watch him play t20 for us :(. Does he realize the run rate is out of control? does he realize he needs to start smashing the ball? Does he realize there are other players to come :(.

Let's hope someone can knock serious runs because between smith and kallis we look doomed.

[lilggg]

Ahh nice shot kallis...for a test match.

[lilggg]

And u guys wonder why we call them chockers.They just cannot do what they supposed to in big tournies,they dont even try.

[Khanya]

Na Kallis just nudging the ball seeking 1's and 2's which he clearly not getting now.

[killadoob]

Na Kallis just nudging the ball seeking 1's and 2's which he clearly not getting now.

No kallis has a plan, keep his wicket the whole game and lose it for us. So far plan working well. He has not lost his wicket which will make him happy, the game is basically over for us but at least his stats are looking good.

[BaTouSai]

Is there a fantasy league for mybb??

[Khanya]

Damn... I like it Smith! Go! Let our excitement not phase away...

[Khanya]

Kallis - 50 off 45... Is it good enough?

[Khanya]

Kallis - double six 6! 6! Run out chance missed... We're gettin' there...

[killadoob]

Harbhajan Singh to Kallis, SIX, Stop the press. Kallis plays a shot in anger. Whoa! A slog-swept six. LMAO this was after 48 deliveries!!!!!!!!

So kallis decides now with the run rate out of control the time has come to go big LOL. Maybe those opening six overs should have been the time kallis!!!!!!!!!!

[lilggg]

Not really,once again he leaves it too late,if he could hit sixes why wasnt he doing it long ago.

[Khanya]

Nice move... I would combat Duminy now, 24 balls 61 to go. And de Villiers is doing his magic!

[lilggg]

2 sixes an over,thats all....thats 1 of them.

[killadoob]

Not really,once again he leaves it too late,if he could hit sixes why wasnt he doing it long ago.

This is what i hate about him!!!!!!!! those opening six overs should be a feast for him but no not kallis, he likes to watch the run rate drift past 13 or 14 before he decides hang on maybe i should try and murder the bowling :(. Everyone will look at his knock and say o wow but in reality he gave us no chance.

Hope i eat my words, come on ab and morkel!!!!!

[Khanya]

Free hit wasted!

[killadoob]

Naaa man we done and dusted :(.

Once again we(actually kallis) let the run rate get out of control and we could never recover it.

Would have been better to get bowled out for 50 than lose like this.

[lilggg]

We did the exact same thing in the last world cup,surely they would have learnt from that.

[killadoob]

We did the exact same thing in the last world cup,surely they would have learnt from that.

Ya dude let's not bring it up :(, hated that and the usual suspect was again plodding singles while the run rate went to 12 then 13. Kallis will never change. Stats ---> team

Where are the kallis supporters, i bet you they think he is a hero with his 71.

*AB de Villiers (rhb) 29 11 1 3 263.63 10 (2b) 29 (11b) 24 425 79* 25.00

We have this capability just begging to come in while kallis plods singles.

[lilggg]

Hmm,25 off 7

[Khanya]

De Villiers is there man... No need to panic... See 4 sixes will do it.

[LancelotSA]

And u guys wonder why we call them chockers.They just cannot do what they supposed to in big tournies,they dont even try.

Yes, we do wonder. Every time they lose, or even look like losing, guys like you whip out the chocker tag. The true definition seems to have been lost on your kind.

[killadoob]

Yes, we do wonder. Every time they lose, or even look like losing, guys like you whip out the chocker tag. The try definition seems to have been lost on your kind.

Ya with kallis batting for us, choking is gone dude. Kallis will make sure we have no hope.

[lilggg]

Well done boys,u screwed it up again.

[lilggg]

118 - 1,htf do let the rate get out of control with 9 wickets left.

[LancelotSA]

Ya with kallis batting for us, choking is gone dude. Kallis will make sure we have no hope.

The problem was not Kallis. The problem was the bowlers.

[killadoob]

Well done boys,u screwed it up again.

No kallis screwed it up!!!!!!!!!! Stayed in to long and only started hitting when he reached his 50. I wish they would drop him so good t20 players could take his place.

Lance did you watch the game? I mean sit and watch it? or did you have a look at his 71 off 51 and think o wow well done.

[Khanya]

Sharks. That's the end... Talk about optimism... Kallis chew the balls away!

[Sting]

Stop whining about Kallis (73 off 54). What about Bosman and Smith?

If it is the team's strategy for him to bat through with a strike rate of 125 - 140, then it must be up to the other batsmen to score even quicker than him. I agree with the commentators, Kallis and Smith must open with either Gibbs or AB coming in one down.

[lilggg]

I hope afghanistan beat us.Id rather see them in the super 8's than us.

[Sting]

The problem was not Kallis. The problem was the bowlers.

Agreed. And the missed run out opportunities... no direct hits!

[Sting]

I hope afghanistan beat us.Id rather see them in the super 8's than us,if kallis is gna be playing like that.

Your negativity is depressing.

[lilggg]

Now that i think about it i kind of agree with moggie.The other batsmen needed to do more as well.

[CHURCHILL]

Kallis might be slow and wastes overs, but without him in the SA team, I reckon SA losses will be more humiliating then what they are at the moment.

[LancelotSA]

I hope afghanistan beat us.Id rather see them in the super 8's than us.

I was going to make a few choice comments about you earlier but chose to ignore you. I read this and am battling to refrain from being rude.....

[lilggg]

I just dont want to see us doing the same thing again,thats all.

[killadoob]

Kallis might be slow and wastes overs, but without him in the SA team, I reckon SA losses will be more humiliating then what they are at the moment.

Wait so you think letting the run rate climbing to 12 13 before you start hitting is not humiliating? So you would rather take 20 overs to lose a match than get bowled out for 120?

You think standing there facing 45 deliveries and only getting your 50 is a good thing when the run rate is over 12?

[Khanya]

It's KALLIS! There's a bit of luck that goes with batsman in cricket. Look, any batsman (in the top 4) could get 50.. Coincidentally it was Mr. Slow Jacques Kallis... Imagine if Bosman got it (stayed there)! It would be off 25 balls, he just got unlucky, maybe poor shot sellection or something.
I for one would've opened with Smith and de Villiers.

[superskully]

Kallis at least did something in the end. What about Smith. And don't say he was run out - cos he was just lazy to stretch - why is he always the one that is unfit.
Kallis needs to learn that 30 is the 50 in T20 - i.e. he must start going for it from 30 and not 50.
Also, y play Bosman, Kallis and Smith. SA never learns.
Morkel must never bowl again.

Lastly, when last did SA win any tournament - did we even win in Smith's era.

[JK8]

You guys owe killa and myself an apology!!!
wahahahahahaha!!!!

But seriously... It was an obvious loss.
Just wish I could have watched it :(.

[Khanya]

So what happens now? So the one who wins - S.A vs Afg. Progresses to the next round or?

[CHURCHILL]

Nah, dude, who in SA is better then Kallis ATM???
That 186 runs that needed to be chased down was always going to difficult, without Kallis SA would not have even got that close.

[Khanya]

Kallis at least did something in the end. What about Smith. And don't say he was run out - cos he was just lazy to stretch - why is he always the one that is unfit.
Kallis needs to learn that 30 is the 50 in T20 - i.e. he must start going for it from 30 and not 50.
Also, y play Bosman, Kallis and Smith. SA never learns.


Morkel must never bowl again.

Lastly, when last did SA win any tournament - did we even win in Smith's era.

BOLD
Exclude Bosman and inculde Gibbs!

[killadoob]

You guys owe killa and myself an apology!!!
wahahahahahaha!!!!

But seriously... It was an obvious loss.
Just wish I could have watched it :(.

No you do not, watching kallis plod singles while the run rate went up to over 13 was about as fun as bubba getting hold of you in a prison cell :(

Watching us lose the game from the first over was agonizing :(.

[LancelotSA]

Imagine if Bosman got it (stayed there)! It would be off 25 balls, he just got unlucky, maybe poor shot sellection or something.

So this logic dictates that we would rather see our batsmen get out for 8 off 14 balls than getting 73 off 54?

No one prescribes what shots you must play. The batsmen fails all by himself. SA should not have been chasing 186! It is the bowlers that need to be looked at.

[killadoob]

Nah, dude, who in SA is better then Kallis ATM???
That 186 runs that needed to be chased down was always going to difficult, without Kallis SA would not have even got that close.

Who is better than kallis at losing games? Kumble will tell you no one.

How do you know we would never have been close? considering how close we got you are talking rubbish, look at ab's score. Big hitters to come. By the time our big hitters came in the game was over thanx once again to kallis and smith to some degree.

Lance i don't think you watched the game. Did you watch the game from the first over?

Agg well does not matter i knew it would happen and it will happen again, as long as kallis is in our t20 we will lose games.

[Stephen]

I am beginning to think people like killadoob, jk8 and Mr Troll himself lilggg didnt actual watch the game. Really the stupidity is mind boggling. Bosman was really hitting them out the park today, a combination of him and poor bowling

[Khanya]

If Kallis had exited for 10, that would've gave de Villiers or Morkel more time to smack the ball.

[CHURCHILL]

Understandable that you are a bit heated over this loss, but do you honestly think SA is better off without Kallis.
Infact I hope SA drop him, let's how far you get, and how long it will be before people beg for his return

[killadoob]

Yes i do, in t20 he is nothing but a game loser. I would rather see us bowled out for 50 going for a huge total than watch kallis bat like he did today. Losing is losing and the margin does not make a difference. In a game it does not matter if you lose by a 100 or 10? Maybe when the run rate may be a factor then yes play like we did today.

This is straight out of smithers mouth.

Graeme Smith: "There were some good things and bad things. Jacques and I left too much to do for the middle order.

[Stephen]

Lets see Bosman Strike Rate 57.14 lovely

[lilggg]

U r spot on stephen,i didnt really watch the game,i stopped after out first 3 overs of batting cos i knew what was going to happen.

[Khanya]

Rather reserve Kallis rather for one day and tests only! We need a man of urgency at the top, not a veteran.

[Sting]

Most of you have completely forgotten the other disciplines of the game. Are you happy with the bowling attack? Should we have gone with 2 spinners and also used Duminy, instead of going for the "old school" Proteas seam/pace attack?

Should we have been chasing 187?

[killadoob]

Moggie you sort out problems with solutions and we have the batting to make up for poor bowling. I could agree if kallis did not bat like this he did and we fell short. We fell very few runs short of the total, had we been more aggressive we could have easily chased it down.

Of course the bowling is a concern but i am just annoyed by kallis again :(.

[Stephen]

U r spot on stephen,i didnt really watch the game,i stopped after out first 3 overs of batting cos i knew what was going to happen.

Wow what a rebel


Moggie you sort out problems with solutions and we have the batting to make up for poor bowling. I could agree if kallis did not bat like this he did and we fell short. We fell very few runs short of the total, had we been more aggressive we could have easily chased it down.

Of course the bowling is a concern but i am just annoyed by kallis again :(.

No mention of Bosman scratching around at 50% strike rate. I always thought you had a one eyed view but this just proves it.

Ag you trolls can continue its actually amusing to see people so ignorant and fickle. Its bordering on retardation, but its giving me a few laughs

[Sting]

Ag you trolls can continue its actually amusing to see people so ignorant and fickle. Its bordering on retardation, but its giving me a few laughs

Hey! I must reply... it's my thread!! :twisted: :whistle: :D

[Mamajyot]

Problem --> Kallis plays "his" game and was not prepared to adapt for the team.
Pace bowlers didnt bounce Indians as much as they are uncomfortable with them.

Bosman cannot play on slow wickets so the team must change depending on the wicket.

I loved IPL but the players lacked any agro and was a bit too friendly for my liking.
Where is the old niggling in the papers etc like series of old.
You dont have to act like Andre Nel but god dammit no aggression is such a dampener.

[Stephen]

Hey! I must reply... it's my thread!! :twisted: :whistle: :D

I didnt say nobody should reply. By all means go ahead :D

[lilggg]

Wow what a rebel

No Stevie,U are the rebel ;p

[Sting]

I didnt say nobody should reply. By all means go ahead :D

I'm watching you! :D:D:D

http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/thumbnails/funny-animals-watching-you.jpg

[lilggg]

Im a rebel now so my comments dont count,but Ausies are giving paki's a slight hiding.

[lilggg]

I hope every1 is watching the aussies bat,that is how u chase down 187.

[Stephen]

I hope every1 is watching the aussies bat,that is how u chase down 187.

Er they are not chasing ???

[Mamajyot]

I hope every1 is watching the aussies bat,that is how u chase down 187.

Erh....... They are not chasing..........
watson out lbw

[Khanya]

I like Shane Watson! Hussey did well. 6! Bang! 6! Bang! 6 Bang!

[lilggg]

I know they not chasing,i just mean thats how u should go about chasing a score like that.

[killadoob]

I know they not chasing,i just mean thats how u should go about chasing a score like that.

Not the SA way :D, get kallis in, wait for run rate to hit 13 and then try win it from there :D. This whole thing of getting ontop of the run rate early never works!!!!!!!!!

[lilggg]

5 wickets in the over,wow

[Khanya]

Astounding... High score eitherways.

[Khanya]

19.1 Edge. 19.2 Yorker. 19.3 Run out. 19.4 Run out. 19.5 No run. 19.6 Wicket!

[JK8]

SA doesn't have the team to do well in this competition, I said it before. Its SAs best team, but they have nothing...
But give credit where its due, India are a world class side and if Aghans did ok against them, SA better bring it!!!
I think they might scrape through though but ill be happy if they don't!! :D

[Abe]

Yes i do, in t20 he is nothing but a game loser. I would rather see us bowled out for 50 going for a huge total than watch kallis bat like he did today. Losing is losing and the margin does not make a difference. In a game it does not matter if you lose by a 100 or 10? Maybe when the run rate may be a factor then yes play like we did today.

Kallis had the best strike rate out of the top 3 and they all battled because of the pace. We lost it because of the 25 run over by Kleinveldt and not because of Kallis. Smith should have bowled Kleinveldt out at the beginning and not kept him for the death. There are more experienced bowlers for the death. Run rate is very important at this point and it was in the last world cup too where we lost out because we were hammered by India (Kallis would have saved us that game). Had we finished with a worse rate then Afg and our game with them was rained out, we would be OUT.

That was a 160 wicket and not a 185 one. Our bowlers f..ked up and not our batsmen, even India battled in the first 8 overs. We were even with India at the end of over 17. The 18th over was the 25 run one.

BTW: You also seem to be neglecting the fact that Kallis was the second most economical bowler in the SA side.

[killadoob]

All i want is kallis to bat like he did towards the end of his innings, is that so hard for him to do?

[Stephen]

Not the SA way :D, get kallis in, wait for run rate to hit 13 and then try win it from there :D. This whole thing of getting ontop of the run rate early never works!!!!!!!!!

or get some hack like Bosman batting so slow that he makes Geoff Boycott look like Adam Gilcrist.


SA doesn't have the team to do well in this competition, I said it before. Its SAs best team, but they have nothing...
But give credit where its due, India are a world class side and if Aghans did ok against them, SA better bring it!!!
I think they might scrape through though but ill be happy if they don't!! :D

Another one for the bookmark.

[Khanya]

And then what if we won? Who would you blaim? Would you blaim someone? The bastman (Indian) in that over were simply too good for him (Kleinveldt). Someone must go expensive anyways, it's the nature of the game. The fact that they scored 186, that doesn't mean we can't reach that target and that it's a 160 wicket, what about Aus now, WestI? Just that our batting, especially Kallis's was too relaxed, took things the orthodox manner, chill for now, 1's & 2's than try and blast when the run rate is approaching 15. It just happened that he was the 'innings holder' as per usual. It's a 20/20 tourmament, so expect your bowlers to even go 30 an over. It's more of a batsman's game than a bowlers.

[Abe]

SA doesn't have the team to do well in this competition, I said it before. Its SAs best team, but they have nothing...
But give credit where its due, India are a world class side and if Aghans did ok against them, SA better bring it!!!
I think they might scrape through though but ill be happy if they don't!! :D

The same Afgans who only managed to score 115 against India on the same pitch? India are no better then any other top level T20 side out there.

You seem to love India so much, why don't you just go an live in India then you can go to all of their games. Oh wait, you obviously don't like everything about India otherwise that would already be the case.

[Mamajyot]

or get some hack like Bosman batting so slow that he makes Geoff Boycott look like Adam Gilcrist.



Another one for the bookmark.

Who is Gilcrist?

[killadoob]

Kallis does not need to hold our innings together, he needs to get in and get a move on. Not F around while watching the rate go to 15. I mean FFS does kallis need to see RR 15 before he decides to smash a ball?

[Sting]

Who is Gilcrist?

He means Adam Gilchrist, ex-Aussie opener/keeper and current captain of the Deccan Chargers in the IPL.

[Stephen]

Who is Gilcrist?

oops I meant to say Geeelcris, is that okay


Kallis does not need to hold our innings together, he needs to get in and get a move on. Not F around while watching the rate go to 15. I mean FFS does kallis need to see RR 15 before he decides to smash a ball?

Ah still nothing on Bosman, hmmm

[Mamajyot]

What a catch by the security guard!

[lilggg]

Look at the paki's they lost 3 wickets but they stll chasing the score.

[killadoob]

What about bosman? I saw him trying to smash the ball from ball one, can you say the same about kallis? 45 off 50 puts pressure on us, couple that with smithers not blasting and guess what? You lose.

We had so many wickets in hand there was no need to let the run rate get to 13 with 1 wicket down!!!!!!!

[Khanya]

Jacques Kallis the message's clear: Retire from T20! Nuf said!

[Sting]

Jacques Kallis the message's clear: Retire from T20! Nuf said!

k@k man, stop looking for a scapegoat. Our bowling and fielding was poor - using your logic, which bowlers must retire?

[Stephen]

What about bosman? I saw him trying to smash the ball from ball one, can you say the same about kallis? 45 off 50 puts pressure on us, couple that with smithers not blasting and guess what? You lose.

We had so many wickets in hand there was no need to let the run rate get to 13 with 1 wicket down!!!!!!!

This proves you dont know what you are talking about, a strike rate of 50% is ridiculous, you could see he was out of his depth. Its his job to hit the balls in the powerplays not scratch around. Even the commentators said he shouldnt be there.

The one thing I have always wondered about trolls, they whine and whine and say how crappy the team is but they still read articles about them and comment. Why dont you just boycott cricket if Kallis is playing simple really. You can go stand outside Cricket South Africa and toyi-toyi. Or maybe tie yourself to there gate with "Ani-Kallis" t-shirt or something

[Abe]

All i want is kallis to bat like he did towards the end of his innings, is that so hard for him to do?

If you go like that from both ends you are bound to lose wickets and wickets in 20/20 can hurt a lot. Why do you think India were able to go balistic towards the end? Because they had wickets in hand. You need one of your openers to get a rate of 130 to 140 and the other to go crazy. Bosman messed up today. His 14 balls should have gone for 20 and not 8. Thats 12 of the runs we lost by already.

Regardless of that, you can't give away free runs in 20/20 and thats what our bowlers did. We gave away 75 runs in the last 5 overs.

[Stephen]

The same Afgans who only managed to score 115 against India on the same pitch? India are no better then any other top level T20 side out there.

You seem to love India so much, why don't you just go an live in India then you can go to all of their games. Oh wait, you obviously don't like everything about India otherwise that would already be the case.

Well said, I always wondered about that

[Khanya]

Ok our fielding was flawed. But bowling? We cannot even go there. The essence of T20 is in the batting itself...
What puzzles me is the old man's attitude/viewpoint. Certainly he's been playing this format for long? Not long as what he's master at - Test/ODI. Why can't he assess situations properly? We need more AB de Villier's than this chap. If AB had opened he'd blitz this total alone.
Edit: A man who never over-assesses situations, like AB who smacks 3 sixes from the first 10 balls.

[Abe]

What about bosman? I saw him trying to smash the ball from ball one, can you say the same about kallis? 45 off 50 puts pressure on us, couple that with smithers not blasting and guess what? You lose.

We had so many wickets in hand there was no need to let the run rate get to 13 with 1 wicket down!!!!!!!

50 off 45 but who's interested in the facts. Oh wait, you haven't said anything about Smith who was 25 off 22 round about when Kallis got his 50. Must be all Kallis' fault because you are looking for him to be a scape goat. Smith made a lot of mistakes as captain, he should not have bowled Rory or Albie at the death. Kleinveldt's last two overs cost 40 runs and Albie's cost 32. You expect bowlers to go for 10 an over at the death, not 16-20. The last 4 overs should be bowled by Steyn and Kallis. Kallis will cost you 10 an over at the death but you expect that. But you are obviously happy with Albie because he had a strike rate of 170+. The point is that Smith didn't know what to do when van der Merwe was expensive. The train came off the rails and he didn't know what to do.

[Abe]

Ok our fielding was flawed. But bowling? We cannot even go there. The essence of T20 is in the batting itself...

No, thats the biggest mistake people make about 20/20. It's about bowling and not batting. Having two people in your side who go for 20 in their 4 overs is gold. That means that the batsmen need to really hammer the other 3 just to get a moderate score of 140.

[Stephen]

No, thats the biggest mistake people make about 20/20. It's about bowling and not batting. Having two people in your side who go for 20 in their 4 overs is gold. That means that the batsmen need to really hammer the other 3 just to get a moderate score of 140.

My faith is restored, there is sane people on this board. I was getting worried for a moment

[Khanya]

Simply put, it wasn't their day, and certainly it was the Indians latter innings day! Otherwise we've got some good economical oakes. What if we limited them to 175 and we lost be 3 runs (172)? Were you to blame or even notice/see that the bowlers were expensive?

[Abe]

Simply put, it wasn't their day, and certainly it was the Indians latter innings day! Otherwise we've got some good economical oakes. What if we limited them to 175 and we lost be 3 runs (172)? Were you to blame or even notice/see that the bowlers were expensive?

There were a lot of mistakes that combined for them to lose the game. The biggest of those was letting 75 runs go off the last 5 overs. It was certainly not Kallis' fault as people here seem intent on making out. I am not blaming Albie and Kleinveldt for the loss either. They didn't chose to bowl at the death. If the blame sits at anyones feet, it was at Smiths. He was out at the wicket with Kallis and was batting slower then him. He could have gone for it himself or told Kallis to go for it or go out.

[stefan9]

We lost due to kleinveld and a.morkel bowling poorly. The batsmen did a decide job, the score to get was just too much. Please theron for kleinveld in the next game. Missing parnell quite a bit imho.

[killadoob]

No, thats the biggest mistake people make about 20/20. It's about bowling and not batting. Having two people in your side who go for 20 in their 4 overs is gold. That means that the batsmen need to really hammer the other 3 just to get a moderate score of 140.

Abe Are you telling me that if kallis did what he did before he went out in the first 6 overs we might not have had a better chance? Why did he hit sixes when the rate was so high? Why does kallis need smith to tell him to go for it? Can he not see the massive screen that says RR14? Can he think for himself? Surely by the 6th 7th over you can see you are one down and go for it?

Just please explain to me why kallis felt the need to get 50 off 45 deliveries? Were we in trouble like 5 down? Was there really a need to bat so slow upfront? Just need someone to explain when you are chasing a huge total why SA waits for the RR to become extreme before we start hitting? I can understand it if he was holding the innings together with 5 or 6 down but 1 down? Come on now we could have got that total. Look at what AB did when he got in :(. To little to late by then.

Granted i am laying the blame on him when smithers was also slow but kallis faced 51 deliveries, more than anyone else. It should have been him that decided to go for it. He is a devastating batsmen, just bugs me so much that he cannot start fast and let the guys start coming in with a gettable run rate. I am just angry that again we let the run rate go to shyte with 9 batters to come :(.

[AirWolf]

Why are you guys moaning about the game; let the guys go out and have some fun; it is only a game after all. Just look at the bigger picture - it is better if we lose now than in the semis.

BTW, it is only a game when you lose.

[Abe]

Abe Are you telling me that if kallis did what he did before he went out in the first 6 over we might not have had a better chance? Why did he hit sixes when the rate was so high? Why does kallis need smith to tell him to go for it? Can he not see the massive screen that says RR14? Can he think for himself? Surely by the 6th 7th over you can see you are one down and go for it?

You can say the same thing about Smith but you seem to be blaming this exclusively on Kallis. Smith batted just as slowly (slower, actually). We have no idea what role Kallis was told to perform in the match. My point was that if Smith was not happy with the speed of Kallis' batting, he could have told him to do something different. Lets assume that Kallis had gone for it out of the blocks and it was obviously tough to bat then if you look at Karthik, Vijay, Raina, Singh, Bosman and Smith in the first 8 overs of both innings. He could have gone out and we could have ended on 100 all out with a rain out between us and the Afgans putting them through. Raina had a lucky day. Mis-hits in the gaps, caught off a no ball, two missed run outs. Sometimes it's your day and those things go your way. From the cricinfo article about the Indian batsmen "It worked for them that the mis-hits kept bouncing in front of deep fielders, and the sweet ones cleared them easily.". It could have been a different day.


Just please explain to me why kallis felt the need to get 50 off 45 deliveries? Were we in trouble like 5 down? Was there really a need to bat so slow upfront? Just need someone to explain when you are chasing a huge total why SA waits for the RR to become extreme before we start hitting? I can understand it if he was holding the innings together with 5 or 6 down but 1 down? Come on now we could have got that total. Look at what AB did when he got in :(. To little to late by then.

Actually, AB and Albie only managed to get 17 off the last 2 Nehra overs when we needed 17 an over. Thats the same rate that Kallis batted at. AB had one good over against Pathan, the rest of the overs were pretty ordinary 8/9 runs per over. Kallis batted quicker then Karthic and Yuvraj. The big difference between the two teams was Raina. AB batted well and it may have been different had he been in for longer. Why not try and open with him and Kallis next time.


Granted i laying the blame on him when smithers was slower but kallis faced 51 deliveries, more than anyone else. It should have been him that decided to go for it. He is a devastating batsmen, just bugs me so much that he cannot start fast and let the guys start coming in with a gettable run rate. I am just angry that again we let the run rate go to shyte with 9 batters to come :(.

Fixed for you. Again, it's too risky to blast from both ends. Kallis with a strike rate of 135% on the one end is fine but you need to put blasters in with him. He will feed them the strike and then blast towards the end. If you want to blame a batsmen, then blame Bosman and Smith. Their role in the side has always been as blasters. I also think that perhaps they should have sent in Albie Morkel when Bosman went out rather then Smith. Give someone a license.

[killadoob]

See that is our problem.

It is to risky!!!!!!! so let's rather lose in 20 overs than try win basically? When will we take risks do you think? Maybe one day when we can bowl a team out for 70 we can walk over them and not take risks. 180+ = risk cricket. I am only singling kallis out because he did it against pakistan as well, that time his partner in crime was duminy.

Why can kallis take the license and go large? is he capable of hitting big runs? The last few balls of his innings after his 50 he went ballistic. Do you think kallis can step up and smash the ball? If he cannot do it then drop him down the order to number 6 or 7 and let capable hitters do the business. I know kallis can tear into any bowling attack but only when we need 15 runs an over for some reason :(. Why can he only hit 50 runs in 45 balls and then go nuts? Is there a reason he needs a 50 before he goes large?

[Sting]

Anyone else think the premeditated plan to bowl 1 over spells was a failure?

[Abe]

One more comment. Raina was 75 off 52 balls at the start of the big Kleinveldt over. Thats almost the same rate as Kallis who went out for 73 off 54 balls. I don't see anyone making any comments about Raina's batting speed.

[Abe]

Anyone else think the premeditated plan to bowl 1 over spells was a failure?

Yes, I also think so. Kleinveldt should have finished his spell early on. Steyn should have had a longer crack at Raina when he was battling.

[Abe]

It is to risky!!!!!!! so let's rather lose in 20 overs than try win basically? When will we take risks do you think? Maybe one day when we can bowl a team out for 70 we can walk over them and not take risks. 180+ = risk cricket. I am only singling kallis out because he did it against pakistan as well, that time his partner in crime was duminy.

Yes, with 180+ you need to take some risks, but only from one end. Not both ends. SA did it from none. Perhaps Kallis should have taken a chance and gone for it himself when the people at the other end were not, but then people would be saying how useless he is if he went out for 13 off 15 balls. Remember the batting was tough in the beginning for all batsmen including the Indians. In fact, they were slower then us after 6 and 8 overs. If you want to give him a license, you give it to him from the start, not after 4 overs of playing a supporting role.

[killadoob]

No ways abe people would never say anything bad about kallis if he tried dude. Look at bosman he did not do well today but so what he tried to hit some big runs and it never came off.

All we ask is that kallis or smithers get's us fast runs. This is pro 20 we should not be sitting at 118-1 and a run rate of 14 dude. Honestly kallis needs to realize he not SA and we can cope without him. We have some amazing and talented batsmen in our team. He needs to realize this is not a 50 over game. We were not in trouble we lost on flippin wicket. Smith tried his best to smash the ball but it never came off. See the way i look at is that kallis gives no momentum. He holds us back. We need boundaries in an over not plodded singles for 12 overs :(.

[killadoob]

No ways abe people would never say anything bad about kallis if he tried dude. Look at bosman he did not do well today but so what he tried to hit some big runs and it never came off.

All we ask is that kallis or smithers get's us fast runs. This is pro 20 we should not be sitting at 118-1 and a run rate of 14 dude. Honestly kallis needs to realize he is not SA and we can cope without him. We have some amazing and talented batsmen in our team. He needs to realize this is not a 50 over game. We were not in trouble we lost one flippin wicket. Smith tried his best to smash the ball but it never came off. See the way i look at is that kallis gives no momentum. He holds us back. We need boundaries in an over not plodded singles for 12 overs :(.

You cannot plan your chase by saying o we are ahead of india, you need to look at the total and the RR, then as you go along you look at the run rate. No point saying o well we were ahead of india at this point because what makes you think you will match the runs they got off the last 5?

You chase a total not per over score.

[JK8]

You guys are not getting it about Kallis!
His score always looks good in the end. But he kills the game getting it.
His game plan is to go big after he gets his 50 but getting to his 50 in this format messes it up for the middle order. Agreed the bowlers let a few extras in, but getting the target Is not bad if u pace the innings well.

Kallis messed it up! Having wickets in hand chasing means nothing in the end, Kallis run rate is still good, he won't mind scoring a single when they need 13 an over, coz his stats still look good!! He is selfish!!!

[Abe]

No ways abe people would never say anything bad about kallis if he tried dude. Look at bosman he did not do well today but so what he tried to hit some big runs and it never came off.

lol, there is no point in arguing with you. You are trying to fit the situation to your preconceptions. You would be happy if Bosman stayed in for 20 overs missing as long as he was trying to hit the cover off the ball. You don't know what their roles were so you can't judge Kallis if you don't know the the role he was told to play. I have already shown you how Kallis batted at the same speed as Raina when he went out but thats not enough. He had the top strike rate of all of the batsmen who faced the first 8 overs of each innings (India and SA) with the exception of Raina who increased his rate at the time when Kallis went out.


All we ask is that kallis or smithers get's us fast runs. This is pro 20 we should not be sitting at 118-1 and a run rate of 14 dude. Honestly kallis needs to realize he is not SA and we can cope without him. We have some amazing and talented batsmen in our team. He needs to realize this is not a 50 over game. We were not in trouble we lost one flippin wicket. Smith tried his best to smash the ball but it never came off. See the way i look at is that kallis gives no momentum. He holds us back. We need boundaries in an over not plodded singles for 12 overs :(.

See above. The first 8 overs were really tough for all batsmen and Kallis faired best out of all of the batsmen who faced the first 8 overs.


You cannot plan your chase by saying o we are ahead of india, you need to look at the total and the RR, then as you go along you look at the run rate. No point saying o well we were ahead of india at this point because what makes you think you will match the runs they got off the last 5?

You chase a total not per over score.

India got 185 on a 160 wicket. And that was the bowlers problem yet you are blaming the batsmen. Chase too hard and we could easily end up with 110 and a short cut out of the tournament. If it was so easy to slug the ball out the part early on then everyone who faced the early bowling would have done it but no one did. Not one batsmen was able to chase the bowling early on. Bosman tried and ended up wasting a lot of balls.

[JK8]

Watching the highlights, SA made 54 in 10 overs for 1 wicket chasing 180...

The bowlers were bad yes but it was worth a going for it, they decided to chase after 13 overs lol.

[killadoob]

Smith conceded that greater urgency should have been shown by the South Africans in the early stages of their innings.

Sadly with kallis batting there will never urgency upfront.

[sand_man]

What cost us that game was Loots 8 from 14 but long before that it was Raina caught off a no ball.

Kallis is and remains the most effective and efficient component within the team.

Anyone notice how out of shape Rory Kleinveld is looking??!! Yes he took the early wicket but look at his bowling figures. 4 overs 48 runs and 2 wickets. 12.00 per over.

Not only did Kallis top score with 73(54) but he was our 2nd most economical bowler 4 overs 1 for 30 at 7.50 per over.... Yet you still got people claiming he cost us the game!!!! Go figure..

[killadoob]

Smith conceded that greater urgency should have been shown by the South Africans in the early stages of their innings.

Sadly with kallis batting there will never urgency upfront.

This is what cost us the game, smith concurs. End of story and it needs to get fixed or we will go out another comp.

[Stephen]

This is what cost us the game, smith concurs. End of story and it needs to get fixed or we will go out another comp.

Well first off drop Loots "Geoff Boycott" Bosman and move Smith up to open with Kallis. Or try Gibbs with Smith and Kallis at three.

[LancelotSA]

Well there are 3 things in life that is guaranteed 1) You pay taxes 2) You will die 3) When Proteas win again certain people on this forum will disappear

Ha ha I love you signature! :) You could add a fourth : When the Proteas lose some unoriginal person will make a comment about chocking! :D

[Khanya]

Bosman... If he had stayed, would've scored double Kallis' score. Just he was unlucky.

[Stephen]

Ha ha I love you signature! :) You could add a fourth : When the Proteas lose some unoriginal person will make a comment about chocking! :D

Ha Ha, you even got the spelling normally used down pat, although probably a "looser" would be thrown in:)

[Devill]

Bosman... If he had stayed, would've scored double Kallis' score. Just he was unlucky.

:erm: if a meteor struck the field it would have been a draw. It did not.

Loots failed. he scored 8 of 14. That is an extra over that we could have had to score 14 runs.....

our bowlers failed us, our fielding failed us...

Ps Albie should not be sent in with 2 overs to go, as he needs 1 over at least to get his eye in. Boucher should have been sent in.

the second or third last over we scored 6! if we scored 12 and we had the 6 extra balls /runs from bosman we would have been 2 runs away from victory.

Also shlt bowling by kleinveldt in his last over.... Raina is great of his legs and ANY batsman loves a half volley so why bowl a half volley at raina on the legs when he is on fire?!?!?!?

[Abe]

Also shlt bowling by kleinveldt in his last over.... Raina is great of his legs and ANY batsman loves a half volley so why bowl a half volley at raina on the legs when he is on fire?!?!?!?

It wasn't just his last over (25) but the over before that as well (15). His last 2 overs cost 40 runs. He should not have been bowling at the point in the game. It's unfair to put that sort of responsibility on a new guys shoulders (death bowling).

Killa keeps quoting Smith, well here is another smith quote "We started well with the ball, 160 was par and we were on track for that until Raina got hold of us at the back end". On a 160 par wicket they gave away 185. Thats too many. What if it was 250 that they gave away, would we still be blaming the batsmen for going to slowly in the beginning and not getting the runs. At what point does the blame focus on those who actually scr..wed up? This is a round robin stage and the most important thing was to make sure that we did not get knocked out because of a poor run rate with a rain out against Afg. If we can't beat Afg then we don't deserve to go through.

[Stephen]

Seeing as everyone is throwing around quotes here is another one by Smith

"Our lack of sharpness with the ball was found out at the death"

[Devill]

It wasn't just his last over (25) but the over before that as well (15). His last 2 overs cost 40 runs. He should not have been bowling at the point in the game. It's unfair to put that sort of responsibility on a new guys shoulders (death bowling).

Killa keeps quoting Smith, well here is another smith quote "We started well with the ball, 160 was par and we were on track for that until Raina got hold of us at the back end". On a 160 par wicket they gave away 185. Thats too many. What if it was 250 that they gave away, would we still be blaming the batsmen for going to slowly in the beginning and not getting the runs. At what point does the blame focus on those who actually scr..wed up? This is a round robin stage and the most important thing was to make sure that we did not get knocked out because of a poor run rate with a rain out against Afg. If we can't beat Afg then we don't deserve to go through.

I agree 100%.

20 runs more conceded than was par... 6 balls wasted by bosman... really average fielding .... Yet killa and some others will keep blaming kallis :wtf:

[Khanya]

Why doesn't his experience manifest in needy situations like these?

[Devill]

Why doesn't his experience manifest in needy situations like these?

It did! he nearly brought as home... but for loots and 40 runs in 2 overs from kleinveld... Kallis can only do so much....

Go look at how raina started... he also scored around 50 from 40. How do you logically blame kallis for this loss? Smith and bosman yes... Kallis NO.

[killadoob]

Why do people go on about reina did this or india had that, the simple fact of the matter is you have x amount to chase down. Does not matter what the other team did your task is simply to chase down the target set. Kallis for me could easily hit 100 off 45 if he wanted to and that is maybe what upsets me about him. He could get us going from ball 1, instead he blocks plods singles and does not look to take the bowling on. Honestly why can kallis not smash a fast 50 then go onto smash close to 100? Why does he feel the need to bat so slow and put us under pressure?

Yes smithers and bosman did not exactly do very well but kallis makes life hard when most of the big runs in a big chase only come from one side. Anyways it does not matter we should have an easy game next and then i pray we set a targets rather than chase. If we do chase hopefully the RR is only 6 or 7 then kallis can plod for 20 bloody overs and win the game for us.

[Khanya]

The flippin dude relaxed before he got 50, why didn't he smack the ball at 20? No he ventured for singles, thus we wasted/lost balls and in the end didn't have enough to knock the total score and earn a win.
Why does he need to see the need to rush when the runrate is 15? Too much pressure on the lower order. There's a difference bewteen setting a score (first innings), and chasing the score down.
I would've been happy if he had exited for 30, and let the others have a go de Villiers, Morkel, Boucher and Duminy etc, we had so much batsman, aching to get in.

[Stephen]

Why do people go on about reina did this or india had that, the simple fact of the matter is you have x amount to chase down. Does not matter what the other team did your task is simply to chase down the target set. Kallis for me could easily hit 100 off 45 if he wanted to and that is maybe what upsets me about him. He could get us going from ball 1, instead he blocks plods singles and does not look to take the bowling on. Honestly why can kallis not smash a fast 50 then go onto smash close to 100? Why does he feel the need to bat so slow and put us under pressure?

Yes smithers and bosman did not exactly do very well but kallis makes life hard when most of the big runs in a big chase only come from one side. Anyways it does not matter we should have an easy game next and then i pray we set a targets rather than chase. If we do chase hopefully the RR is only 6 or 7 then kallis can plod for 20 bloody overs and win the game for us.

But why didnt Bosman score a 20 ball fifty, thats his job, should be easy peasy for him.

[LancelotSA]

Ha ha ha I can't believe all this crap being thrown around about Kallis! It really is laughable...

[Khanya]

But why didnt Bosman score a 20 ball fifty, thats his job, should be easy peasy for him.

Wasn't his day, or was unlucky. Just as in general cricket you get luck, sometimes it's not the/your day.
Remember his 94 run knock, off 40-somethings balls? What did Kallis get in that match? 7 runs.

[Devill]

The flippin dude relaxed before he got 50, why didn't he smack the ball at 20? No he ventured for singles, thus we wasted/lost balls and in the end didn't have enough to knock the total score and earn a win.
Why does he need to see the need to rush when the runrate is 15? Too much pressure on the lower order. There's a difference bewteen setting a score (first innings), and chasing the score down.
I would've been happy if he had exited for 30, and let the others have a go de Villiers, Morkel, Boucher and Duminy etc, we had so much batsman, aching to get in.

Yes so Kallis scoring ar a SR of 140 odd is to blame not bosman scoring at a SR of 60 odd?

i say again 6 balls wasted by bosman. 10 runs to many conceded by kleinvelt in his last 2 overs and TADA o look we could ahve won if we scored a run a ball for the 6 balls BOSMAN wasted.

[Khanya]

Point is. We were behind because of him, he is to take most blame, because he was there for so flippin long, milking singles. Others prior to him, yes failed, but could've done a better job in Kallis' place. When you're chasing down, at over 15 over, you're suppose to be 160, but no, let me take matters my way, what's the score? 135... The other guys just got unlucky, otherwise if they had been there (esp. Bos) and accelerated they'd make a substantial difference.

[Stephen]

Wasn't his day, or was unlucky. Just as in general cricket you get luck, sometimes it's not the/your day.
Remember his 94 run knock, off 40-somethings balls? What did Kallis get in that match? 7 runs.

Er now Bosman was unlucky, man you guys are getting sad. We are not talking about past games (I can also play that game - Proteas only ICC tournament win was on the back of one man - do some research), the last game Bosman failed miserably

[killadoob]

I would rather kallis fail than destroy our run rate.

Geez i would rather see us fall 100 runs short than watch kallis let the run rate climb to 15 before hitting some big shots. Kallis is a shocking t20 player and i believe the only he is there is because he threatened to quit when he was dropped for batting slow.

[Devill]

Point is. We were behind because of him, he is to take most blame, because he was there for so flippin long, milking singles. Others prior to him, yes failed, but could've done a better job in Kallis' place. When you're chasing down, at over 15 over, you're suppose to be 160, but no, let me take matters my way, what's the score? 135... The other guys just got unlucky, otherwise if they had been there (esp. Bos) and accelerated they'd make a substantial difference.

Yes I also just "got unlucky" and that is why I am not a Pro golfer or President of the USA... please do not make me call you a retard... I get infractions for that :(

Bosman failed... smith failed... our fielding failed... Kallis can only do so much... he scored at a SR of 140 odd and his bowling went for 7.5/over! WTF if you knew ANYTHING about cricket would you blame him?!?!

Yes more chances could have been taken at the start... Maybe ask bosman why he did not do his job, erm you know the one he was selected for, it is called "mik=-en-moer"? Or smith? Why is kallis the "one who lost us the game" if he scores 73 runs from 54 balls and only conceded 30 runs from his 4 overs?

[killadoob]

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=17&art_id=iol1187181098735P423&singlepage=1

Interesting read, guess nothing ever changes in Sa cricket.

South Africa's reply, in the face of a four-spinner Indian attack - without using Yuvraj - was even more confounding. Jacques Kallis and Smith struggled to flow, and hesitated to take risks. Their run-rate crossed six an over for the first time in the 11th over, and it was too late by then, despite some late hitting from Kallis.

Man o man, all teams need to do is keep kallis at the crease :D then they win haha.

[JK8]

All you Kallis lovers cab go on and praise him. Imo he killed the game. Anybody willing to pull his stats, how many dot balls and singles? His final score was good yes, but that's coz he hit 3 sixes just before he went out. Kallis failure to score higher than 50 in a T20 is likened to his ability to score after he makes 100 in an ODI.

[Khanya]

Kallis... Poor oak. I wish I'd see his commentary listing. Score 25*, Over 10, 54/1. Ok, we need 131 off this 10. Let me get my 50 first. Over 15, 50* (48 balls) cool now I can accelarate and can afford to loose my wicket. 73 OUT! **** I should've accelarated initially, or just get the F out, to let other guys like de Villiers who actually have the guts he hit three sixes in their first 10 balls. My strike rate is good! But not good enough to win us the game, because of your flippin relaxing attitude. (Other batsman are waiting here old man! The likes of Bouch and de Villiers and poor Duminy!).

[killadoob]

When you are 1 wicket down in the 11th over and only have a RR of 6 how can you blame bowlers for the loss i wonder? I could get it if we were 6 down, but taking no chances with 1 wicket down after 11-12 overs? WTF are they smoking in the SA camp? Must be a form of a tik or some stupidity juice. Only an idiot would continue taking singles in the 9th over of a pro 20 match with only 1 wicket down and a run rate soon to be totally out of control. Seriously start swinging FFS.

Anyone recall that pakistan game when kallis watched our run rate climb and climb and just kept on with the singles again with a power house batting line up to come in

Hahah good post khanya

[Khanya]

Lets actually compare the top 5 strike rates in the match.
1. JP Duminy - 400%
2. AB de Villiers - 206.66%
3. Mark Boucher - 200%
4. JA Morkel - 171.42%
5. J Kallis - 135.18%

Just look what the others wouldv'e predictably done with their balls.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Lets actually compare the top 5 strike rates in the match.
1. JP Duminy - 400%
2. AB de Villiers - 206.66%
3. Mark Boucher - 200%
4. JA Morkel - 171.42%
5. J Kallis - 135.18%

Just look what the others wouldv'e predictably done with their balls.
AB was better yeah.

But JP faced one ball, Albie faced 7 and Boucher faced 2. Do you think that they would have been able to sustain those strike rates had they come in earlier?

On the topic of Kallis, I don't think he did much wrong. And he bowled well in the context of the match. Yes he could have gone for it a lot earlier, but Smith is the one who should definitely have gone for it earlier. A strike rate of 135 for an anchor batsmen is damn good. Bosman wasted 2.2 overs FFS, and he's the one who was supposed to hit out.

Anyway I don't see what you guys are moaning about. I'd rather have them get the right combinations now, so that we peak at the right time and don't fail again in the final stages. If we lose to Afghanistan then we don't deserve to go through.