New sound for ~R1000

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Hey guys, I'm getting sponsored some new sound for my car in the very near future (read: next few days). Before diving right in I thought I'd ask the community for some advice...

I realize that R1000 is kind of the bare minimum, but believe me, if you heard my current piece of turd setup, you would also be glad to just get something that stops the bleeding and sound of babies crying :).

Im looking for a head unit that can play music directly from an iPod, but I'm not sure how expensive that is relative to something simpler. But yeah, other than that, I'm a noob, so I'd appreciate any advice you guys can throw at me :)
 
Yikes :wtf: all the ones with direct iPod support seem to be over 1k which is kinda out of the question sigh. I'm going cheap here, and this JVC is going for R750 and has a front auxiliary, so that should be fine right?

Also, I heard somewhere that on a low-end setup you end up paying a lot for the HU compared to the speakers, is this correct?

Basically, if I go somewhere to have something fitted and theyre showing me the goods, what's important to look out for? And what are some common marketing gimmicks that I should maybe know about? Having passed matric science, I at least know about peak vs RMS power :)
 
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Some things to know about car sound:

1) car sound works on 4 ohms to get more wattage from 12V.
2) Cables become important in car sound. Use nice, thick, multi-strand copper cables (softter is better).
3) There are more ways to get interference in your car, make sure your wiring is shielded and that you don't ground anything.
4) Do some research before you buy a sub. Speakers are designed to either be ported or sealed, they're also designed to have a specific cabinet volume. If need be, make the cabinet yourself, or get it made PROPERLY.
5) 95% of people will make the box out of MDF or fibreboard... rather use HDF or superwood. increased cost is marginal, but the sound is improved.
6) Baffeling is your friend, use fibreglass roof insulation on the walls of the sub box (glued on) and then stuff it with as much insulation as you can.
7) Match your sub to your amp correctly. More watts doesn't mean better. You need to pay attention to NOMINAL power output... basically, that means that the amp can sustain 250W RMS for hundreds of hours, and not overheat. That's something they don't advertise.
8) Get a HU with RCA out to go directly into to your crossover.
9) MAKE SURE ITS A CROSSOVER, not just caps.
10) IF POSSIBLE, try and get a smaller sub system and have the cones face into the car. If you do a good job insulating your backboard from the rest of your boot, you eliminate the need for a sub box and you'll get a hell of a lot more bass, not to mention cleaner bass. if you don't, and you have to go with a box, then chuck your backboard away and replace it with something that allows lots of air and thus bass into the car... otherwise, you'll have a sub that sounds AWESOME with your boot open, but pretty ctappy when it's closed.

11) MOST IMPORTANT
Start with a good quality Split MID and TWEETER setup... add the sub later when you have more cash. Your music will sound awesome immediately, instead of it just being loud but crappy.

12) DO NOT LISTEN TO SALES PEOPLE. they just wanna sell you stuff... they'll tell you SANSUI is better than JVC just because they get SANSUI cheaper or something like that. Rather do your own research, read up about different setups, and listen... choose stuff that YOU think sounds the best and not what some salesman thinks. Afterall, you're the one who's going to be stuck in traffic listening to the system, not them.

13) Try make everything LOOK standard. You don't want people breaking into your car to steal your speakers. It happened to me at varsity. So no bright neon green speaker covers that light up.

14) Start small... learn at your own pace. Half the fun about sound is that you can appreciate your own work while listening to your system instead of some dude doing it for you at a shop.
 
OverKill69, thanks very very much for the advice, appreciate it :). Thats a lot of lingo flying around though so I'll have to do some research to avoid sounding like a tool, you know what I mean

11) MOST IMPORTANT
Start with a good quality Split MID and TWEETER setup... add the sub later when you have more cash. Your music will sound awesome immediately, instead of it just being loud but crappy.
That sounds like a plan, even for the sole reason that I doubt I have the budget to add a sub now anyway :P

13) Try make everything LOOK standard. You don't want people breaking into your car to steal your speakers. It happened to me at varsity. So no bright neon green speaker covers that light up.
Yeah O_O that sucks man, I'll probably end up also removing the HU when I get to varsity and carrying it around in my bag or something. I don't trust those 'guards' an inch :mad:

I think I should go googling instead of wasting your time asking "what does X mean" (believe me, I really am noob). Thanks man
 
What car are you getting? You must find out what size speakers can fit where in the car. Definitely go for a split system in the front first, which can run for a short time off your front loader until you get an amp. A split system involves a a crossover splitting high frequencies to a tweeter and low frequencies to a mid. I have had excellent results with a split system (JBL 6.5") mounted on backboard above sub enclosure in a Golf 2, although split systems are designed for enclosures i.e. in car doors. For sound quality I highly recommend going for mid-range quality splits like Infinity, Lightning, JBL etc. although the likes of Pioneer and Sony will be good for you if you're just looking for bang for back and not as much sound quality.

Go for a second-hand mint condition front-loader. What about USB input, would you not want that ever (friends' flash drives etc.)?
 
PostmanPot, I've got an old Ballade, but by old I mean like 1990. Yeah I know not something you'd put money into to impress people, but listening to proper music when I drive will be a big plus haha.

Right, just remember, the budget IS 1K, give or take. From what I've gathered so far, I should get: a HU, a crossover (important), Mid-Range speakers and Tweeters. At this low price, the HU delivers enough power so I dont need an amp. The HU should have RCA output. Quality cabling makes a big difference?

If I need to cut down somewhere to fit the budget, what is least likely to make a noticeable difference? There's speakers in driver door and passenger door, but I should actually check where else I have space to fit stuff.

Basically, do I have enough money to play around with? Or should I rather add a bit and get some quality stuff? What I'm saying is, if I'm going to be paying, would it be a waste to not get something a bit better, or will 1K get me speakers that sound good and give a decent (yet human) amount of volume?
 
Right, just remember, the budget IS 1K, give or take. From what I've gathered so far, I should get: a HU, a crossover (important), Mid-Range speakers and Tweeters. At this low price, the HU delivers enough power so I dont need an amp. The HU should have RCA output. Quality cabling makes a big difference?

I have seen people who don't have a HU and just play from their iPod. Not sure how it's done but it would save you money on a HU because R1000 is going to be hard to cover RCA HU + speakers, especially at new prices.

There is a LG kit with HU (think it's RCA/USB) + mid speakers + 6x9s at Game for R1200 which a lot of normal people whose needs aren't too much get and are happy with it. So maybe it'd be fine for you. I actually heard the latest LG revision of their R1200 kit and was quite impressed - good value for R1200!

A split system (crossovers + tweeters + mids) might be a little pricey for now but would be the way for sound quality. But hey with a budget of R1000 it's more like you just want something to play, so I recommend checking out the LG kit or having a look here - http://www.autostyle.co.za/category/audio combos/ - and perhaps going for the Sony combo (better quality than LG) although it's not going to give as nice sound as the LG kit.

Also depends on your upgrade path and how much more money you're going to put into your sound?

If I need to cut down somewhere to fit the budget, what is least likely to make a noticeable difference? There's speakers in driver door and passenger door, but I should actually check where else I have space to fit stuff.

Hard to say when your budget is R1000.

Cool, now just need to find out what size they take - to tell which size mids/split system mids can fit in your front doors.

Basically, do I have enough money to play around with? Or should I rather add a bit and get some quality stuff? What I'm saying is, if I'm going to be paying, would it be a waste to not get something a bit better, or will 1K get me speakers that sound good and give a decent (yet human) amount of volume?

IMO R1000 is basically either a HU, or front/back entry-level speakers (which will sound good to most people).
 
R1000 isn't even enough for a decent headunit forget sound. Best you can do is cheap headunit + incredibly cheap speakers.

1) car sound works on 4 ohms to get more wattage from 12V.
No. Normal home speakers also run between 2-8ohm. The input voltage is of no consequence, that is why it's called an amplifier.

2) Cables become important in car sound. Use nice, thick, multi-strand copper cables (softter is better).
3) There are more ways to get interference in your car, make sure your wiring is shielded and that you don't ground anything.
x2 but the shielding must be grounded at on side. Otherwise it is pointless.

4) Do some research before you buy a sub. Speakers are designed to either be ported or sealed, they're also designed to have a specific cabinet volume. If need be, make the cabinet yourself, or get it made PROPERLY.
Nope. The sub-woofer cannot make such a distinction. There is a whole lot of theory to cover in this area but any speaker that requires an enclosure can use, ported, sealed, bandpass or any other type of enclosure provided the parameters of the enclosure are correct. There are plenty of articles on the internet covering the topic. Sealed is best IMHO, it's the smallest enclosure and the easiest to make, hardest to mess up and provides decent driver control.

5) 95% of people will make the box out of MDF or fibreboard... rather use HDF or superwood. increased cost is marginal, but the sound is improved.
All the top end manufacturers recommend MDF and nothing else. By top end I mean JL, Boston Acoustics, JBL, etc.

6) Baffeling is your friend, use fibreglass roof insulation on the walls of the sub box (glued on) and then stuff it with as much insulation as you can.
Seems a bit excessive, the only requirement really is that the box does not explode from the pressure (which can be significant, especially in a sealed enclosure). And that it leak as little as possible. I've had good results with self tapping screws, no nails (the glue stuff) and silicone.

7) Match your sub to your amp correctly. More watts doesn't mean better. You need to pay attention to NOMINAL power output... basically, that means that the amp can sustain 250W RMS for hundreds of hours, and not overheat. That's something they don't advertise.
Proper brands always provide RMS ratings, example: JL only provides RMS ratings.

9) MAKE SURE ITS A CROSSOVER, not just caps.
Capacitors are used in crossovers as a upper frequency cut off. Inductors (coils) are used as low frequency cut offs. Signal capacitors and inductors are fairly cheap and can easily outperform digital equivalents unless you spend thousands of rands.
More info: http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/cross.asp

10) IF POSSIBLE, try and get a smaller sub system and have the cones face into the car. If you do a good job insulating your backboard from the rest of your boot, you eliminate the need for a sub box and you'll get a hell of a lot more bass, not to mention cleaner bass. if you don't, and you have to go with a box, then chuck your backboard away and replace it with something that allows lots of air and thus bass into the car... otherwise, you'll have a sub that sounds AWESOME with your boot open, but pretty ctappy when it's closed.
Eish. I don't often see Sub woofers that can run without an enclose but if it specifies that it requires an enclosure you'd best use it. Unless the boot is sealed and matches the correct parameters for the sub-woofer. Too large an enclosure results in damage to the driver because there is insufficient pressure and the driver moves around wildly (which is why it is louder). It is similar to creating a ported enclosure with the incorrect port frequency or incorrect parameters. Damage to the driver is guaranteed.

11) MOST IMPORTANT
Start with a good quality Split MID and TWEETER setup... add the sub later when you have more cash. Your music will sound awesome immediately, instead of it just being loud but crappy.
Agreed. Quality split systems IMHO are better than trying to create your own mid/tweeter setup because they are already well matched to each other.

12) DO NOT LISTEN TO SALES PEOPLE.
x2 Especially if they work at hi-fi corp.

13) Try make everything LOOK standard. You don't want people breaking into your car to steal your speakers. It happened to me at varsity. So no bright neon green speaker covers that light up.
And it looks better when the car is standard anyway. Nothing says common folk like 6x9's in the back, no offense to those that have them :D

14) Start small... learn at your own pace. Half the fun about sound is that you can appreciate your own work while listening to your system instead of some dude doing it for you at a shop.
100% agreed!
 
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I've got two sound systems I'm looking at getting for my car. See my wishlist in my signature \/
One is R1999 and the other is R1699, I know that might be a bit much for you? Just putting it out there ;)
 
Eish. I think the best way to describe how this is going for me is, imagine your grandma wanting to build herself a new PC, instead of buying a "it has windoze pre-loaded" one at Incredible Connection. Sure, you might not get as much bang for your buck, but in this apparently pathetic price-range, is it really worth the effort :(

For the moment, I'm gonna try and get my budget upped.

EDIT: Come to think of it, has anyone bought from AutoStyle before? I checked them out on HelloPeter. Lots of negative comments that get "resolved" by a phone call, where the complainant suddenly loves them and theyre the bestestest
 
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I'm from Pretoria, not sure if they have an outlet near here. I appreciate the in-depth help guys, but would it be safe to look for a kit (without a sub) that I can afford and just roll with it? Or are the kits seriously cons, kinda like buying a pre-built gaming PC?
 
Hmm so I'm going hunting today, thanks a lot all you guys, I hope I can retain at least some of this info O_O

But really, thanks :)
 
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