New cameras trap speedsters from a distance

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Source: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20100723124341756C104791

Motorists who brake to avoid getting caught in stationary speed traps won't have the same leeway with a new handheld device, which gives traffic officers the power to trap up to several hundred metres from where they are standing.

And, while stationary speed traps mean fines will arrive in the mail, the new system will allow traffic officials to immediately stop and issue summons, and in some cases even arrest offenders.

Launched on Thursday, the Prolaser 3 speed cameras were hailed by Community Safety MEC Lennit Max as an attempt to "go back to basics".

An older version of these cameras have been used to police Cape Town's roads in the past.

At a cost of R95 000 each, the 12 cameras, bought recently by provincial authorities, are able to monitor speeds from a distance of 1km.

The cameras are mounted on tripods, but must be operated by an officer.

But provincial traffic chief Kenny Africa said traffic officers trained to use the cameras were legally allowed to capture speeds from only 400m for the purposes of fines.

The mobile cameras will be used on provincial and national roads, and the National Prosecuting Authority has also authorised the use of the cameras to capture speeding motorcycles from the rear. All other vehicles must be caught on camera as they approach.

The new system will ensure that one officer will man the camera while another will assist the camera operator in flagging down vehicles caught speeding.

Should the offending motorist refuse to stop, the second officer is entitled to pursue the vehicle or contact radio control, who will rope in officers or police officers to halt the driver.

During a display of the system yesterday, two truck drivers were stopped within 10 minutes of one another.

Both were issued with a summons and a spot fine of R500 and R600 respectively.

Max was quick to assure motorists that the new system was not a money-making exercise.

The Justice Project South Africa, an NGO formed to root out power abuse in law enforcement, welcomed the initiative

Spokesman Dennis Jackson, said: "We condone it if traffic cops are stopping people and issuing fines as this will help reduce road deaths, and will allow the motorist to check the cameras when they are stopped to ensure they are functional and have been serviced."

The cameras, which can capture images at night, are calibrated every six months at a cost of about R3 000.

In addition to reducing the road fatality rate, authorities hope the hi-tech gadget, which also has a recording facility, will curb motor vehicle theft and help officers clamp down on motorists using cloned registration plates.

Africa said the gadget could record the offence and any interaction between officials and drivers who were stopped after being trapped. This footage could be used in court.

"We've never had any problems with the Prolaser camera in the past, and have never lost a case due to the use of camera," he said.

The NPA insists that officers who operate speed cameras must be visible to drivers - this means that the cameras and the officers must be in plain sight rather than concealed behind trees or bushes.

I heard that in Gauteng they'll be able to measure your speed between two points on a road by calculating the time taken to cross the second point.

Not sure if this is a good thing or bad thing. :wtf:
 
I'm also guilty of speeding, and I don't think anyone could honestly complain. If you speed you're guilty, no matter how they caught you. I just know that I'd be much more keen on staying within the limits if the laws were applied to everybody equally. Your average 90kmph driver on a 70kmph road is not nearly as dangerous as the taxi crossing the red robot, or turning from the outside non-turning lane into your blind spot (don't know how to say this in a way that makes more sense :-( ).
 
Just an enhanced version of a money-making scheme. The issue of whether speed cameras actually reduce accidents is a debatable issue.

The no.1 cause of accidents is 'bad driving' - as mentioned by Tacet above, while no.2 is probably drunk driving.
 
Source: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20100723124341756C104791



I heard that in Gauteng they'll be able to measure your speed between two points on a road by calculating the time taken to cross the second point.

Not sure if this is a good thing or bad thing. :wtf:

KZN has been trapping you on average speed between 2 points for some time, now. Take the 100km/h section between Mooi River and Howick, you are photographed on entry and exit, and even if you slowed down to 100 for the 2 cameras around Lion's River, and then did 120 odd in between, they can nail you.

I am now setting my cruise control to 120 or 100, whatever the limit is, and simply relaxing..it's really not worth it breaking the speed limit.

Had to chuckle at a Mazda Drifter that passed me 3 times between Joburg and Estcourt last week, who kept stopping for heaven knows what reason, whilst he did 150-160 in between...I finally passed him between Estcourt and Mooi River, where he was collecting his ticket...and guaranteed it was a big one, as I had matched his speed a couple of times, when he passed me, just to see his speed, and on each occasion it was in the region of 160 on my GPS. I honestly don't understand the mentality of these guys who think that they can constantly get away with it.
 
Shyte i have never checked how far the garmin tells me they are? Could be a huge problem now :eek:

Be careful, Garmin only tells you about the areas where traps are USUALLY set, it doesn't mean that the cops cannot get clever and change places every now and then!
 
Nothing new here. This will suffer from the same previous legal hassles as all the other cameras. You cannot be trapped without prior notification, Devices have to be calibrated and certified on a regular basis, trapping sites have to be approved and regularly inspected, etc.
 
I do like the idea of 400m limitation, but the immediate waving over? what if you in a four lane highway? wtf they gunna do? run across 3 lanes of on coming traffic? lol that would be quite funny :D
 
Nothing new here. This will suffer from the same previous legal hassles as all the other cameras. You cannot be trapped without prior notification, Devices have to be calibrated and certified on a regular basis, trapping sites have to be approved and regularly inspected, etc.

Sure, no problem, but when are people going to get it through their thick skulls that speeding is breaking the law...do we sit around and discuss how to get away with murder?
 
Sure, no problem, but when are people going to get it through their thick skulls that speeding is breaking the law...do we sit around and discuss how to get away with murder?

Agreed - I can't see why they can't sit behind a bush. Me not seeing the police officer doesn't make the murder legal, does it?
 
I make an effort to drive within the speed limit, but there are times when I find myself, going say about 85 k's in a 80 k zone, or sometimes on the N1/2 I drive up to 130k's and then slow down before the camera.

I never transgress in 60k zones, the traffic department in Stellenbosch are a progressive bunch, there are 5 cameras, 4 from the N2 side and one at Khayamandi N1 side, manned speed traps are very regular events too. (as are police blockades, I just went through one)

Years ago I was fined twice (about R300 a shot) and I was motivated to drive the speed limit, not only for safety sake but also because it's too expensive to speed, both in fines and in fuel consumption.
 
I make an effort to drive within the speed limit, but there are times when I find myself, going say about 85 k's in a 80 k zone, or sometimes on the N1/2 I drive up to 130k's and then slow down before the camera.

I would not worry to much about that. Your cars odometer is usually under calibrated and they usually also give you a 10% margin to err in.
 
Sure, no problem, but when are people going to get it through their thick skulls that speeding is breaking the law...do we sit around and discuss how to get away with murder?

Why can't they train the traffic officers in how to spot moving violations and enforce the law for all the other road offences? Changing lanes without indicating, crossing white lines, driving in the yellow refuge lane, going through red lights and stop signs.

The fact that they really only enforce one law of traffic in South Africa is a bit suspicious. I strongly suspect that 90% of police officers today are ONLY trained in how to make money for the department through "trapping for speed".

That is why most South Africans have no respect for traffic officers.
 
Sure, no problem, but when are people going to get it through their thick skulls that speeding is breaking the law...do we sit around and discuss how to get away with murder?

Are you equating murder with exceeding a speed limit? If so, you are a ****ing idiot and you will hopefully die of stupidity very soon.
 
Sure, no problem, but when are people going to get it through their thick skulls that speeding is breaking the law...do we sit around and discuss how to get away with murder?

very debatable point this... it also depends what you mean by "speeding"

the dictionary definition of speeding is to drive at a speed higher than the legal limit. in that case you're correct, and its against the law.

but another definition of speeding is to drive at a speed that's not safe for the road conditions. using that definition, i could be driving well within the speed limit and still be speeding.. eg. driving at 120 thru an accident scene on a busy highway with people standing around. or i could be drving at 75 on a newly tarred, well lit 2 lane road where for some reason the authorities believe the speed limit should be 60.

I personally believe in driving according to road conditions, and i've been caught a few times and paid my fines, but there's no way i'm gonna crawl along at 60 on a dual carriage road with traffic whizzing past me and piling up behind me - that's equally as dangerous as drinvg at 120 thru that accident scene.

unfortunately as mentioned in a few posts above, our traffic police do not police traffic. they hide in bushes and make easy money with cameras while the drivers who are a real danger get away with everything.
 
Why can't they train the traffic officers in how to spot moving violations and enforce the law for all the other road offences? Changing lanes without indicating, crossing white lines, driving in the yellow refuge lane, going through red lights and stop signs.

The fact that they really only enforce one law of traffic in South Africa is a bit suspicious. I strongly suspect that 90% of police officers today are ONLY trained in how to make money for the department through "trapping for speed".

That is why most South Africans have no respect for traffic officers.

Maybe is people stopped speeding to much the traffic police wouldn't get enough money from speeding fines and move over to fining the people for all the other stuff ;)
 
And 9 out of 10 times they hide behind a bush or something.
Do you people actually read the articles before making comments? If you do, do you understand what yoy are reading?
The NPA insists that officers who operate speed cameras must be visible to drivers - this means that the cameras and the officers must be in plain sight rather than concealed behind trees or bushes.
There is really no need for the cops to hide, they just park their vans with an open backdoor at the roadside. If you speed they will get you before you realize that there is a camera and a cop sitting in what looks like a black hole from far away.
 
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