PDA

View Full Version : Legal Wireless Networks for Broadband Underserviced Areas!



SSK
14-08-2005, 08:23 PM
To all WISPs out there, including us, stop arguing about the regulations. WISPs are illegal, unless,

we attain a VANS license that ICASA is willing to provide on the following basis:
1. At Least Two Telkom links
2. BEE is a plus
3. The license fee some R5700
3. Connectivity through a licensed PSTS, else permission to self provision if there is proof of unwillingness to provide by Telkom.

I would like to comment on no. 3.
First we have to separate between dial-up and broadband
Broadband according to international standards should be good enough for permanent connectivity, low latency, above 512kbps speeds.

According to a meeting we had with Telkom two weeks ago, Telkom will provide underserviced areas based on per area pricing. An example is of ADSL on farm land if available, may be more expenssive than town or city areas. Why, because Telkom has to consider per area return on investment, and THEY ARE UNWILLING TO PROVIDE UNLESS THEY GET AN ACCEPTABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. We all know the limitations of ADSL and the poor quality of other services. Isn't this an act of discrimination? But it is to our favour. Telkom argues that they have alternatives, ie Satellite connectivity. But What is the price range, and mind the latency rendering it non-broadband.

Also. Telkom have stated schedules for service availabilty, some which are two years ahead. Doesn't that mean that they are unwilling to provide for two years? When the people complain, they answer that the people should use whatever they have, and they should be gratedul to have even that. We have witnesses for this, and we ourselves heard something similar in the meeting.

So Dear fellow WISPs, if we have an association, and gather enough complaints from the people regarding lack of services, even in townships and towns, then we will have proof that Telkom has discriminatory conditions and is unwilling to provide under normal conditions. This can be taken up in the equity court, and may help us either force Telkom to provide at normal rates, and that definitely will reduce the 6 Billion, or force them to provide permissions for WISPs to operate, or at least help ICASA have enough excuse to overide Telkom and provide us with the permissions. An association with proper donations may build enough funds to hire proper Advocates to prove our point in court. We will definitely need the help of the people and testimonies of unsatisfaction with the provided services, and the delays. Pressure is the key!

By the way, I am not looking for a leader's position! I don't mind just being a member.

United we stand!

Till later.

SSK
14-08-2005, 08:31 PM
To all WISPs out there, including us, stop arguing about the regulations. WISPs are illegal, unless,

we attain a VANS license that ICASA is willing to provide on the following basis:
1. At Least Two Telkom links
2. BEE is a plus
3. The license fee some R5700
3. Connectivity through a licensed PSTS, else permission to self provision if there is proof of unwillingness to provide by Telkom.

I would like to comment on no. 3.
First we have to separate between dial-up and broadband
Broadband according to international standards should be good enough for permanent connectivity, low latency, above 512kbps speeds.

According to a meeting we had with Telkom two weeks ago, Telkom will provide underserviced areas based on per area pricing. An example is of ADSL on farm land if available, may be more expenssive than town or city areas. Why, because Telkom has to consider per area return on investment, and THEY ARE UNWILLING TO PROVIDE UNLESS THEY GET AN ACCEPTABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. We all know the limitations of ADSL and the poor quality of other services. Isn't this an act of discrimination? But it is to our favour. Telkom argues that they have alternatives, ie Satellite connectivity. But What is the price range, and mind the latency rendering it non-broadband.

Also. Telkom have stated schedules for service availabilty, some which are two years ahead. Doesn't that mean that they are unwilling to provide for two years? When the people complain, they answer that the people should use whatever they have, and they should be gratedul to have even that. We have witnesses for this, and we ourselves heard something similar in the meeting.

So Dear fellow WISPs, if we have an association, and gather enough complaints from the people regarding lack of services, even in townships and towns, then we will have proof that Telkom has discriminatory conditions and is unwilling to provide under normal conditions. This can be taken up in the equity court, and may help us either force Telkom to provide at normal rates, and that definitely will reduce the 6 Billion, or force them to provide permissions for WISPs to operate, or at least help ICASA have enough excuse to overide Telkom and provide us with the permissions. An association with proper donations may build enough funds to hire proper Advocates to prove our point in court. We will definitely need the help of the people and testimonies of unsatisfaction with the provided services, and the delays. Pressure is the key!

By the way, I am not looking for a leader's position! I don't mind just being a member.

United we stand!

Till later.
Ok Should have mentioned comment on No.4 :P

MaD
14-08-2005, 08:32 PM
Why at least 2 telkom links??!

SSK
14-08-2005, 08:38 PM
Why at least 2 telkom links??!

That is what the licensing officer of ICASA informed us when we had a meeting with her in order to get directions to properly apply for the VANS license.

dominic
14-08-2005, 10:19 PM
That is what the licensing officer of ICASA informed us when we had a meeting with her in order to get directions to properly apply for the VANS license.seems to be confusion with private telecommunication network licence?

i have seen that in (so far) attempted criminal prosecutions of wisps they include a letter from telkom in the docket stating that telkom has not been approached to confirm that it is unwilling to provide services for a particular area

TheRoDent
14-08-2005, 11:20 PM
The VANS license is NOT to be held at ransom by "two Telkom links". Nowhere in the regulations does it state that you have to have ANY links in order to obtain a VANS license.

SSK
15-08-2005, 12:57 AM
The VANS license is NOT to be held at ransom by "two Telkom links". Nowhere in the regulations does it state that you have to have ANY links in order to obtain a VANS license.

Guys please relax,

The what I mentioned is only advice given by the licensing officer in order to increase the chances of aquiring a VANS license. That is a proof of good intentions. The way I see it, ICASA is giving itself leverage against Telkom, as with two links, Telkom may not accuse ICASA of causing lack of support. In other words, ICASA does Telkom a favour, and so Telkom may cooperate in the future with ICASA's decisions, maybe say self provisioning or last mile access? It is all about politics. So please, adhere to what I mentioned earlier. ICASA is gave us a chance through a meeting we held with them stating that they will provide us with self-provisioning if we can prove that Telkom is not willing to provide. Letters through Telkom stating that they are willing to provide is not enough, the question is, is Telkom willing to provide without discrimination? ICASA is completely against discrimination, and for the protection of customer rights of equal rates. Thus we have a chance here, and all we need to do is put some effort and we might win this one!

Remember,

United we stand

Cheers

SSK
15-08-2005, 01:08 AM
Guys please relax,

The what* ICASA is gave8 us

hehe sorry for poor grammar, anyway the end justifies the means :P

Cheers

hehe sorry for poor grammar, anyway the end justifies the means :P

Also, no offense to TRD in what I mentioned earlier; I appreciate your effort.

Cheers

SSK
15-08-2005, 01:17 AM
seems to be confusion with private telecommunication network licence?

i have seen that in (so far) attempted criminal prosecutions of wisps they include a letter from telkom in the docket stating that telkom has not been approached to confirm that it is unwilling to provide services for a particular area

We have witnesses from at least one area to testify that Telkom is unwilling to provide braodband services to that area before January 2006, and if they provide, it will be at more expenssive rates because of the extra equipment to be used for distances. Extra or no Extra, we WISPs have cheaper solutions and they should outsource to us instead of their schemes. We will teach them how to cut on costs. We have better systems than the Wimax. Tested throughput on minimum level, 48Mbps, Max = 2X48Mbps, can handle 24 separate radios, can reach 57 km without amps and still give 36Mbps. You guess it, PC-based!

Cheers