What will be your Springbok team if you were SA Rugby coach? [Archive]

Sharks fan

23-08-2010, 05:05 PM

15 Franz Steyn
14 Lwazi Mvovo
13 Jaques Fourie
12 Wynand Olivier
11 Lionel Mapoe
10 Ruan Pienaar
9 Sarel Pretorius
8 Ryan Kankowski
7 Jean Deysel
6 Heinrich Brussouw
5 Bakkies Botha
4 Flip van der Merwe
3 Jannie du Plessis
2 Bismarck du Plessis
1 Tendai Mutawarira

Is this an exciting team or not? Nice running backline and a physical pack of forwards. Hope Pieter Div reads this 1

LancelotSA

23-08-2010, 05:12 PM

...can't help but notice the definite Sharks bias there.... :)

Kayoss

23-08-2010, 05:57 PM

Kayoss

23-08-2010, 06:00 PM

smit as captain btw..
@sharks fan, who's your captain in that team?

PhreakBoy

23-08-2010, 06:12 PM

15 Francois Steyn
14 JP Pieterson
13 Jaques Fourie
12 Jean de Villiers
11 Bryan Habana
10 Morne Steyn
9 Francois Hougaard
8 Pierre Spies
7 Ryan Kankowski
6 Schalk Burger
5 Victor Matfield
4 Flip van der Merwe
3 Jannie du Plessis
2 John Smit (C)
1 Guthro Steenkamp

graviti

23-08-2010, 06:20 PM

15 - Steyn (Physical presence, plus rocket launcher for a boot)
14 - Aplon (Better form than Pieterson, and quite exciting when on attack)
13 - Fourie (Still the best outside in the country at the moment)
12 - de Villiers (Tough spot this one. Had to go with the incumbent, as he is at least solid there)
11 - Lwazi Mvovo (Habana so out of form it's scary! Mvovo at least knows how to hold onto the ball)
10 - Steyn (At the moment, our best option, from a security point of view. Patrick Lambie more exciting, but needs more time at top level first)
9 - Fourie/Pienaar/Hougaard (All 3 bring something special to the game.)
8 - Kankowski (Vermeulen is in top form, but I think Kankowski pip's him when it comes to the top level)
7 - Burger (Not a fetcher, but still highly influential in loose play.)
6 - Francois Louw / Heinrich Brussouw (Two special players. Keegan Daniel of the Sharks also having a top season)
5 - Victor Matfield (A bit out of touch, but still classy enough that on a bad day as good as the rest)
4 - Flip van der Merwe (Earned his place ahead of anyone else. Been a simple hard worker)
3 - BJ Botha (Solid, and reliable)
2 - Smit. (Still highly influential as a captain, and a really good hooker, if left to hook)
1 - Beast (Same a BJ)

Before people start baying about the lack of Cheetahs/Lions/Pumas etc players, ask yourself, do they really have what it takes. None have really stood up at the Currie Cup level, what makes you think they'll do so at Springbok level

zulgin

23-08-2010, 07:05 PM

I would love to see Bismark Du plessies as hooker, but smit is a good captain, so I'll stick with him at no2.

Lament

24-08-2010, 02:19 PM

15. F.Steyn (good defense, not the best attacking fullback, but you have to love the 60m kicks)
14.G.van der Heever (no one in SA can catch him, good defense)
13.J.Fourie (again, gr8 defense, strong runner)
12.J.de Jong (and yet again, gr8 defense, good offense)
11.JP.Pietersen (strong runner, good under the high ball, good defense)
10.M.Steyn (he stays the best flyhalf in SA)
9.F.du Preez (need i say anything?)
8.P.Spies (when he is on form, he is unstoppable, but i would also like to see Burger get a chance on nr 8)
7.S.Burger (he make tackles all over the field, he stays a class act, his contribution is tremendous)
6.H.Brussouw (best ball scavenger in SA, maybe even the world
5.V.Matfield (i think his best is behind him, but i will select him for as my captain, 3 Super 14 cups, currie cups, no captain in SA matches that, ever noticed smith always stands next to matfield)
4.B.Botha (he stays the enforcer, say what you want, we missed his physical presence)
3.C.van der Linde
2.B.Du Plessis (powerful, ball scavenger, strong runner, a simple must)
1.G.Steenkamp (he always gives his all, he plays like Scalk Burger, if he had the same long blond hair, people would notice him as well, a absolute must for the team)

Bench
16.J.Smit
17.B.Botha
18.A.Bekker
19.D.Roussouw
20.F.Hougaard
21.D.Hougaard
22.Z.Kritchner

Guantanamo

24-08-2010, 08:12 PM

Under current circumstance, Players in round brackets are if fully fit, Square Brackets are reserves

1) Steenkamp [Mtawarira]
2) Smit [Du Plessis]
3) Bj Botha
4) Russouw [Van der Merwe]
5) Matfield
6) Louw(Brussow)
7) Juan Smith [Burger]
8) Spies [Vermulean]

9)Hougaard(Du Preez)
10) Steyn [Pienaar/Grant]
11) Habana [Pieterson]
12) De Villiers [De Jongh]
13) Fourie [De Jongh]
14) Aplon
15) Steyn [Aplon]

That is in a squad of around 27 players.

Pitbull

25-08-2010, 01:40 AM

15. Francios Steyn {Aplon}
14. Gerhard vd Heever
13. Jaques Fourie
12. Jean De Villiers
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Mornè Steyn
09. Rory Kockott [Fourie du Preez] {Ruan Pienaar}
08. Piere Spies {Ryan Kankowski}
07. Schalk Burger {Dewald Potgieter}
06. Francois Louw [Heinrich Brussouw]
05. Victor Matfield -Captain
04. Bakkies Botha {Flip van der Merwe}
03. CJ vd Linde
02. Bismark Du Plessis {John Smit}
01. Beast {Guthro Steenkamp}

Best all round team with current fit players Not fit indicated by [ ] but would be first choice when fit.
Replacements indicated with { }

Forwards you replace at the start of the second 1/2 which would be:
Guthro on for the Beast *
Dewald on for Burger
John on for Bismark *

*These replacements are specialist replacements, if one gets injured the previous player can return.

Then with 20 minutes to go throw the whole bench on the field Aplon on either Wing or Fullback depending on who is doing the worst Ruan on for whoever plays worst between M. Steyn, Kockott. Kankowski on for Spies and Flip on for Bakkies if he wasn't needed earlier in the game.

This is what I would have done. My team, my replacements and when.

Ninja'd

25-08-2010, 08:08 AM

Any team that reflects the demographics of the country.

Pitbull

25-08-2010, 08:44 AM

Any team that reflects the demographics of the country.

So you want:

13 Black players
6 White players
2 Coloured players
1 Indian

And still win?

Just curious :D

GreGorGy

25-08-2010, 02:56 PM

We had a similar talk in the pub a few weeks ago: Thinking past 2011 WC, what new talent is emerging / has emerged for a young bok team?

Lambie, vd Heever, Aplon, Brussow are among my picks. Captain? Think after Smith - my choice would be Morné Steyn while a friend suggested Jaques Fourie - either are acceptable.

I also like both Kockott and Hougard at 9 and would be happy with either but I do think that Kockott should get a run at the end of the year.

GreGorGy

25-08-2010, 03:07 PM

11 - Lwazi Mvovo (Habana so out of form it's scary! Mvovo at least knows how to hold onto the ball)
9 - Fourie/Pienaar/Hougaard (All 3 bring something special to the game.)
8 - Kankowski (Vermeulen is in top form, but I think Kankowski pips him when it comes to the top level)

11: Agreed - Habana is no longer on the form he once enjoyed. He should stick to outsurance adverts. Why is he suddenly sucking so bad? I also think that the top teams can read him very easily and as a result, play him into a useless little corner.

9: Pienaar brings nothing. Sorry - he just fails to impress me.

8: This is a problem like 11 just worse. Spies on form is phenomenal. Off form, he remains at least as good as Ryan. I would be tempted to go with Kankowski only if he can bring something new but I doubt that.

Pitbull

26-08-2010, 06:03 AM

11: Agreed - Habana is no longer on the form he once enjoyed. He should stick to outsurance adverts. Why is he suddenly sucking so bad? I also think that the top teams can read him very easily and as a result, play him into a useless little corner.

9: Pienaar brings nothing. Sorry - he just fails to impress me.

8: This is a problem like 11 just worse. Spies on form is phenomenal. Off form, he remains at least as good as Ryan. I would be tempted to go with Kankowski only if he can bring something new but I doubt that.

I have never liked Habana, the way he breaks the defensive line to run for the intercept try has cost his teams more tries than those he scored. Yes, there is the odd 1 or 2 games where he plays brilliantly but 90% of the time he sucks donkey balls. However, he can be a match winner that 10% of the time ;)

Pienaar is a great utility back ot have on the bench, nothing more nothing less. He is in no way a great flyhalf or a scrumhalf. But he is good at both.

Spies will always be better than Kankowski, but I would rather have both in my team than have to choose one or the other

Lament

26-08-2010, 11:33 AM

I have never liked Habana, the way he breaks the defensive line to run for the intercept try has cost his teams more tries than those he scored. Yes, there is the odd 1 or 2 games where he plays brilliantly but 90% of the time he sucks donkey balls. However, he can be a match winner that 10% of the time ;)

Pienaar is a great utility back ot have on the bench, nothing more nothing less. He is in no way a great flyhalf or a scrumhalf. But he is good at both.

Spies will always be better than Kankowski, but I would rather have both in my team than have to choose one or the other

agreed, Habana sucks, he should be dropped and maybe it will scare him and then he wil get his old form back

Pienaar is an okay player, but nothing brilliant, I’d pick him above Januarie, but as far as utility backs are concerned, I’d pick Francious Hpugaard, he covers Scrumhalf, centre and wing and with Lambie that can cover fullback and flyhalf, we can easily made a 5 - 2 bench, imagine having a bench like this :

16.J.Smith (hooker and both prop positions)
17.D.Kuun (hooker and flank)
18.BJ.Botha
19.D.Roussouw (lock, flank and nr8)
20.F.van der Merwe (lock and flank)
21.F.Hougaard (Scrumhalf, Wing and centre)
22.P.Lambie (Fullback, Flyhalf)

and even if 3 of the back line players gets hurt, you can move Spies to wing

we have got allot of young talent is SA, i cant see us having any problems in the future

Sharks fan

26-08-2010, 11:51 AM

smit as captain btw..
@sharks fan, who's your captain in that team?
John Smit as Captain

WoolyBugger

26-08-2010, 11:56 AM

To be honest i dont think the back line is the problem, although they can be one or to changes for the better. Habana is out of form.
The forwards just seem so tired.
I am a big fan of all the senior players, Smit, Matfield, Burger. But really they not doing there job.

So bring in some fresh legs, young energy.
Keep those senior players, but lets breed in some new blood.

I am Penguin

26-08-2010, 11:59 AM

To be honest i dont think the back line is the problem,.............

We have to agree, rather the so called coach must be the problem, all along!

I am Penguin

26-08-2010, 12:02 PM

.......... Pienaar is a great utility back ot have on the bench, nothing more nothing less. He is in no way a great flyhalf or a scrumhalf. But he is good at both.
...........

Agreed, unless you are a Sir.

Sharks fan

26-08-2010, 12:09 PM

15 Steyn
14 Van den Heever
13 Fourie
12 De Villiers
11 Habana
10 Steyn
9 Du Preez (when he's back)
8 Spies
7 Smith
6 Heinrich Brussouw (when he's back)
5 Matfield
4 Botha
3 du Plessis
2 Smit
1 Mutawarira

Sharks front row, matfield/both combo, brussouw as the fetcher.
Du preez/Steyn combo, De Villiers/Fourie combo

Bakkies Botha gets too many penalties against us, as well as Yellow cards

Spies can only well if we are dominating the breakdows, scrums and line outs. I also think he is to comfortable in his position, maybe get a youngster in (Only then you will see the old Spies again)

Du Preez will be leaving after the world cup next year to play his rugby in Japan. (I must say, after the match against the All blacks last weekend, I know that F.Hougaard is the scrum-half for the future!)

Morne Steyn's goal kicking is top-class, but he lacks in all other forms of the game : He's decision making when to run and when to kick is not spot on (like Dan Carter's or Qaude Cooper's
He is 1 of the slower Fly-half's at international level
He's tactical kicking needs work (He kicked the ball out of bouds at a critical stage against the All black's at a critical stage in the match

Habana goes for the interception every time the opponents run at us (98% of the time it costs us 30 meters or a try against us). He is 1 player who can't think how much he costs his team...

The rest of your team looks good

sand_man

26-08-2010, 12:15 PM

Sharks fan

26-08-2010, 12:26 PM

Ruan Pienaar is a mis-managed resource is what he is... Coaches should have left him at scrumhalf end of story. Not only has his inability to play 10 been exposed but so has a lack of mental toughness in not being able to regain the form that made him such a fantastic prospect.

I agree 100% with you. Everyone always talks about Du Preez as the best... Can you remember Curie Cup final 2008? Pienaar scored a try and competely outplayed Du Preez (both wore the nr 9 jersey for there Provinces that day) Also, the 3rd test against the Lions last year, Pienaar replaced Du Preez early in the match (And was by far the best Springbok on the pitch that day)

If they let Ruan settle at 9 or 10, he would have been better than F.dU Preez and M.Steyn

Lament

26-08-2010, 01:39 PM

I agree 100% with you. Everyone always talks about Du Preez as the best... Can you remember Curie Cup final 2008? Pienaar scored a try and competely outplayed Du Preez (both wore the nr 9 jersey for there Provinces that day) Also, the 3rd test against the Lions last year, Pienaar replaced Du Preez early in the match (And was by far the best Springbok on the pitch that day)

If they let Ruan settle at 9 or 10, he would have been better than F.dU Preez and M.Steyn

i take it you are a sharks fan, o wait.....
you cant compare Ruan with Fourie, or even Steyn ,even Rory Kocket (from the Sharks) plays much better that Ruan, everyone seems to think Ruan has this gr8 potential, he is just not in the right position, then they try him in a different position, when will the people realise he is just not that good, the only position that doesn’t make him look like Earl Rose is Scrumhalf, and even on scrumhalf, he is probably the poorest of all the provinces, Hougaard, Du Preez, Vermaak, Duvenage, Kocket and even that guy from the Griquas is way better than Pienaar, the only guy worse is Januarie, Pienaar is a failed prophecy

sand_man

26-08-2010, 01:52 PM

everyone seems to think Ruan has this gr8 potentialBy everyone I assume you mean his coach at Grey College, Jake White, Pieter de Villiers. John Plumtree and Brian Mclaughlin (current Ulster head coach, Ruan's new club). And what the hell do all these nice people know about the game of rugby hey NBS....???!!!!

Lament

26-08-2010, 02:09 PM

By everyone I assume you mean his coach at Grey College, Jake White, Pieter de Villiers. John Plumtree and Brian Mclaughlin (current Ulster head coach, Ruan's new club). And what the hell do all these nice people know about the game of rugby hey NBS....???!!!!

and don’t forget Eddie Jones, he is a good provincial player, and that’s it, when the big games come, he folds, time and again, if he is this fabulous player, wonder why they picked a youngster like Hougaard above him?, wonder why he isn’t in the bok group anymore, Einstein

sand_man

26-08-2010, 02:14 PM

and don’t forget Eddie Jones, he is a good provincial player, and that’s it, when the big games come, he folds, time and again, if he is the fabulous player, wonder why they picked a youngster like Hougaard above him?, wonder why he isn’t in the bok group anymore, EinsteinShoulder injury ruled him out for 6 weeks... Injury to his AC joint...

Lament

26-08-2010, 02:15 PM

but he is fit again? is he not?

sand_man

26-08-2010, 02:17 PM

but he is fit again? is he not?
Nope.. September some time...

Lament

26-08-2010, 02:20 PM

sand_man

26-08-2010, 02:25 PM

he is available for selection 4th September, that tells me he is fit
But hey, lets see, maybe he proves me wrong and turnes out to be the best scrumhalf the world has ever seen, but i doubt it, i feel he has had to many chances and hasn't taken them when it countsHe leaves for Ulster on the 1st of September.

His chances have come at flyhalf which has been his undoing. Imagine Fourie Du Preez gets told his next test match will be at flyhalf!!! How well you think he's going to do? Or maybe CJ Van Der Linde can play flank on Saturday.

Anyway chances of Ruan playing for the Boks again are slim now that he is going overseas but hey, as you pointed out, we got so many world class scrumhalves who the hell needs him...

Lament

26-08-2010, 02:35 PM

He leaves for Ulster on the 1st of September.

His chances have come at flyhalf which has been his undoing. Imagine Fourie Du Preez gets told his next test match will be at flyhalf!!! How well you think he's going to do? Or maybe CJ Van Der Linde can play flank on Saturday.

Anyway chances of Ruan playing for the Boks again are slim now that he is going overseas but hey, as you pointed out, we got so many world class scrumhalves who the hell needs him...

The difference is Fourie is not a goal kicker, but ja, i believe if you make Fourie flyhalf you would see something like Matt Giteau, besides for the goal kicking, when Fourie Plays he does most of the tactical kicking in any case, so im am pretty sure he will do much better that Ruan, and as far as i know, Ruan wanted to play Flyhalf?

But ja, he is gone now, i hope all of the best for him

GreGorGy

26-08-2010, 06:58 PM

.....Pienaar is a failed prophecy

C'mon NBS - don't you remember? That Currie Cup Final? Pienaar scored a try and competely outplayed Du Preez? He once (ONCE!!!) outplayed Du Preez so that must make him the greatest guy ever....:)

Pitbull

27-08-2010, 12:08 AM

Guys guys guys, pls don't turn this into another Ruan Pienaar vs <enter player here>

Fourie Du Preez is, was and always will be in a class of his own when it comes to the number 9 spot. He is the best number 9 in the world currently, trying to weigh RP up against him is just retarded. Fourie Du Preez is the spine in the Boks squad and we can see he is being missed ALOT!

Sharks fan

30-08-2010, 09:00 PM

zulgin

30-08-2010, 09:14 PM

Hougaard is die enigste man wie 'n mullet met trots mag dra :D

Pitbull

04-09-2010, 08:45 AM

The Boks showed on Saturday that they can win without Du Preez...
Houghaard is the man for the future

They are still missing du Preez very very badly. I agree Hougaard had a very good game and I can see him being the du Preez replacement in years to come. But the Boks are missing du Preez currently and it shows.

LancelotSA

04-09-2010, 08:51 AM

Guys guys guys, pls don't turn this into another Ruan Pienaar vs <enter player here>

....I'll gleefully sit back with the knowledge that the fact they feel the need to repeatedly do this means he is something special!

It is strange that it is always the immensely talented Sharks players that get mistreated and shunted around from one position to the next (Brent Russel, Frans Steyn, Ruan Pienaar... to a degree Butch James). I wonder if it is a reflection on the general make up of the big shots at SARU? Too many with Bulls allegiance perhaps?

Pitbull

04-09-2010, 12:32 PM

....I'll gleefully sit back with the knowledge that the fact they feel the need to repeatedly do this means he is something special!

It is strange that it is always the immensely talented Sharks players that get mistreated and shunted around from one position to the next (Brent Russel, Frans Steyn, Ruan Pienaar... to a degree Butch James). I wonder if it is a reflection on the general make up of the big shots at SARU? Too many with Bulls allegiance perhaps?

But do you think it's SARU's fault though?

The names you mentioned and think about it for a second, they are very very talented guys (Excluding Butch :p) I don't think it's the coach or SARU who is to blame for them playing all kinds of positions. They are pretty good in all positions they are chucked into and I think this is mainly because these guys have been playing in all kinds of positions from school days. They are just that good.

I think these guys need to sit back and blame the coaches earlier in their careers. I'm willing to bet if you look back at the Craven Weeks these guys played in their school days you will see the same happened.

LancelotSA

04-09-2010, 12:38 PM

But do you think it's SARU's fault though?

The names you mentioned and think about it for a second, they are very very talented guys (Excluding Butch :p) I don't think it's the coach or SARU who is to blame for them playing all kinds of positions. They are pretty good in all positions they are chucked into and I think this is mainly because these guys have been playing in all kinds of positions from school days. They are just that good.

I think these guys need to sit back and blame the coaches earlier in their careers. I'm willing to bet if you look back at the Craven Weeks these guys played in their school days you will see the same happened.

At Craven Week you'd probably find most of those players would have been played at flyhalf as the coach would have wanted them to be as involved in the game as he could get them. At the upper levels they get moved around so much that they can never settle and cement a spot. Some new specialist golden boy comes on the scene and they get shunted to the bench due to their ability to cover lots of positions.

Pitbull

04-09-2010, 12:42 PM

At Craven Week you'd probably find most of those players would have been played at flyhalf as the coach would have wanted them to be as involved in the game as he could get them. At the upper levels they get moved around so much that they can never settle and cement a spot. Some new specialist golden boy comes on the scene and they get shunted to the bench due to their ability to cover lots of positions.

Yea I don't know. All I can say is that they are too good to be wasted in one position. Which is sad for the players involved but it does make team selection a little easier. Rule of thumb though. If my laaitjie is ever good enough to be a very good rugby player. I will do my best to make sure he plays one position and one only. Obviously things will change as they become teens. But once they become a jack of all trades that is what they will be for their entire career.

LancelotSA

04-09-2010, 12:47 PM

Yea I don't know. All I can say is that they are too good to be wasted in one position. Which is sad for the players involved but it does make team selection a little easier. Rule of thumb though. If my laaitjie is ever good enough to be a very good rugby player. I will do my best to make sure he plays one position and one only. Obviously things will change as they become teens. But once they become a jack of all trades that is what they will be for their entire career.

Ha ha yeah that one position thing definitely only sets in in their teens! I started out playing prop at primary school level. Then it was decided to try me at hooker. Then moved to flanker and eighth man. I was never built to be a prop but apparently the coach felt I was strong so decided this was the place for me. I'd never even get a look in as a prop now! Loose forward perhaps.

sand_man

04-09-2010, 12:51 PM

I was never built to be a prop but apparently the coach felt I was strong so decided this was the place for me. I'd never even get a look in as a prop now! Loose forward perhaps.Don't lie, you're a suited to playing linesman now.... :p

sand_man

04-09-2010, 12:52 PM

I reckon Rudolph Straeuli is the main reason Natal has seen such a great exodus of top players over the last couple of seasons. I get the impression that he is a bit repulsive....

LancelotSA

04-09-2010, 12:56 PM

Don't lie, you're a suited to playing linesman now.... :p

...well I'd still run the risk of not being able to keep up with play!! :D

sand_man

04-09-2010, 12:57 PM

...well I'd still run the risk of not being able to keep up with play!! :DYou'd fit right in then!!!

D3x

06-09-2010, 09:27 AM

Fourie Du Preez is, was and always will be in a class of his own when it comes to the number 9 spot. He is the best number 9 in the world currently, trying to weigh RP up against him is just retarded. Fourie Du Preez is the spine in the Boks squad and we can see he is being missed ALOT!

Pitbull some guys just don't understand. All they see are "plays", this & that. They don't see & some possibly understand his technical ability & decision making skills he brings. Its like a midfielder in football who is always doing the great work but people only see the strikers scoring. He is brilliant & also rated extremely very high by both NZ & Aus rugby shows on SS.

Sharks fan

06-09-2010, 05:31 PM

Pitbull some guys just don't understand. All they see are "plays", this & that. They don't see & some possibly understand his technical ability & decision making skills he brings. Its like a midfielder in football who is always doing the great work but people only see the strikers scoring. He is brilliant & also rated extremely very high by both NZ & Aus rugby shows on SS.

Fourie Du Preez will be playing his rugby in Japan after the world cup. We must debate about the future of SA rugby, not the past..
Joost van der Westhuizen is the most successful Springbok scrumhalf of all time, scoring 38 tries in total. I doubt that Du Preez will ever surpass that

Pitbull

06-09-2010, 05:35 PM

Fourie Du Preez will be playing his rugby in Japan after the world cup. We must debate about the future of SA rugby, not the past..
Joost van der Westhuizen is the most successful Springbok scrumhalf of all time, scoring 38 tries in total. I doubt that Du Preez will ever surpass that

Exactly what D3x mentioned you've just gone and proved him right :D

D3x

07-09-2010, 07:54 AM

Exactly what D3x mentioned you've just gone and proved him right :D

LOL

Besides that, he goes onto say we must debate the future & not the past & then he mentions Joost!

:D

Albereth

07-09-2010, 08:56 AM

Lament

07-09-2010, 10:22 AM

Pitbull

07-09-2010, 03:42 PM

Not too sure what Freud would say but I like big springboks. That being said I think that I'd play Spies on wing and bring Bismark in as a flank. One of the problems that I think we have is that the loose forwards don't clear out the rucks. They should leave the ball and remove the opposition. I'd want to find a space for Juan De Jongh so either of the cart horses in the centre could go to the bench.

And the Beast - I want him somewhere too.

You know what....

I love this idea :) Would be great to see what he does on wing. Even if just for a few games. I recall a man being unstopable in the WC95 and I see Spies as another one. He hasn't played wing in many years but it would be pretty interresting. Get rid of Habana and put him there. We have more than enough no8's on good form to stand in his place.

Shark no1

14-07-2011, 08:41 PM

no 1 team
15 Lambi
14 Mvovo
13 Fourie
12 De Jong
11 Aplon
10 F Steyn
9 Henderson
8 Kankowski
7 Alberts
6 Burger
5 Hargraves
4 Bekker
3 Beast
2 Bismark
1 Oosthuizen

Stevie G

15-07-2011, 08:23 AM

too many useless sharks players in the squad

Devill

15-07-2011, 08:47 AM

1) Coenie Oosthuizen (boasts surprising pace for a man of his colossal weight (127 kg) he ended the 2010 Currie Cup season as the Cheetahs top try scorer)
2) Bismarck du Plessis / Adriaan Strauss
3) Jannie du Plessis
4) Flip vd Merwe / Hargreaves
5) Victor Matfield
6) Brussouw / J. Smith / Louw
7) Schalk Burger
8) Willem Alberts / Ashley Johnson (Best 8th man in the S15 imo well that or the hardest working)
9) Fourie "There can be only one" Du Preez
10) Morne Steyn
11) Bjorn Basson
12) De Jongh / De Villiers (With the other on the bench)
13) J. Fourie
14) Mvovo
15) Gio Aplon (Really has shown he can be a big plus)

16) Guthro Steenkamp
17) Bismarck du Plessis / Adriaan Strauss
18) Danie Russouw
19) De villiers / de Jongh
20) Hougaard
21) Tendai Mtawarira
22) Lambie / Butch

Stevie G

15-07-2011, 10:05 AM

1) Coenie Oosthuizen (boasts surprising pace for a man of his colossal weight (127 kg) he ended the 2010 Currie Cup season as the Cheetahs top try scorer)
2) Bismarck du Plessis / Adriaan Strauss
3) Jannie du Plessis
4) Andries Bekker (best lock in SA atm) Flip vd Merwe / Hargreaves
5) Victor Matfield
6) Brussouw / J. Smith / Louw
7) Schalk Burger
8) Willem Alberts / Ashley Johnson (Best 8th man in the S15 imo well that or the hardest working)
9) Fourie "There can be only one" Du Preez
10) Morne Steyn
11) Bryan Habana - work rate and brings more to the game (Bjorn Basson - inexperienced and need games under his belt
12) De Jongh / De Villiers (With the other on the bench)
13) J. Fourie
14) Mvovo
15) Gio Aplon (Really has shown he can be a big plus)

16) Guthro Steenkamp
17) Bismarck du Plessis / Adriaan Strauss
18) Danie Russouw
19) De villiers / de Jongh
20) Hougaard
21) Tendai Mtawarira
22) Lambie / Butch Peter Grant - next best flyhalf in the country

Devill

15-07-2011, 12:35 PM

Peter Grant - next best flyhalf in the country

Yes sad to see that there was a place for Jantjies but not for Grant....

And I feel Andries bekker and Victor Matfield can only play together if Bekker is told to play a tighter game.

With this team we should stand a fair chance to get to and win the WC final....