Telkom Meddling with Knysa WI-FI

I fully Agree. If Telkom cannot Deliver & cross the Digital Divide with Affordable connectivity, then Allow the Licensed VANS companies do it
 
The Biggest question, who ever gave the government the right to make Telkom Telecoms GOD.. afaik they never asked me or you.
 
Telkom realise that they are going to lose business.
Once Knysna is up and running, I think that many a Council around South Africa will venture down to Knysna to see how it works and the cost savings thereof.
It could potentially lose Telkom Millions throughout the country.
Knysna will win this one. If they don't, I think it is high time that Mr Mbeki started scratching around the DOC and fish out why after his State of the Nation Speech on the 11th of February 2005 almost 200 days ago, South Africa is still in the Dark Ages as far as Telecommunications goes.
 
I think the Knsyna WiFi is a great idea because the municipality is exploring (and now pursuing) ways of improving telecommunications provision. And I thought the municipality only cared about my rubbish, electricity, water & drain blockages :P The municipality setting up WiFi nogal (sp?)! how cool is that & about time :)

From what I've read I also think the outcome of this issue will hopefully set a much needed precedent regarding the VANS self-provisioning issue.
 
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Fact is that Telkom never bothered to respond when Knysna put out the tender. The legality of WiFi is going to be proven here, in this case, if a case is ever made of it.

Holding thumbs.
 
The silence of the Police is deafening. Telkom's claim would be more
convincing if an Inspector from commercial crimes would also threaten
www.Uninet.co.za

Here is my thoughts on the Vans license:
After 300 houses have connected to each other via Gigabit fiber, Dslam's, cutting through tar roads(with or without council permission) via a fronting company and starts reselling VSAT www.intersatafrica.com two-way internet data they must simply partner with a Vans license holder.

Act.96 states clearly that any communications device sending data across the street is illegal. Cutting through tar roads or using 5.8ghz to send data, there is no difference.
If no legal action is taken by the police over 2.4ghz crossing roads then none
will be take if Dslam data crosses roads on a copper wire. If you disagree then
simply refer me to a single court case.

Personally I don't care for the Vans when cutting through a tar road. People are
easily intimidated in this country and partnering with a Vans license holder
would just be a legal sop to sooth the nerves of 'bangbroek' SA after Icasa's
legal department (not the police) gives each resident a call.

The HRC recently ruled that communities must rather setup CCTV than
instigate road closures. So setting up a private telephone exchange must be
couched in terms of CCTV surveillance. Everybody will know it will carry
Telkom ADSL VOIP and Internet data.

Note that we don't know if Uninet has cut through a tar road. The Itweb article clearly states that Uninet takes 'full responsibility' Perhaps David Jarvis
would care to comment? No Wisp in his right mind will help communities
cut through tar roads and setup fiber networks. He will get his Vans partnering fee the first month maybe the second month but after that he will simply not be paid. Why is cutting through a tar road such a big deal for South-Africans? It is not even being discussed as an option and Mbombela has given permission to cut through roads anybody as long as they fix
it with bitumin.

And if self-provisioning will be allowed by as dominic stated below then
all we do is partner with local council and pay them their ISP fee.
Pretoria council has over 35 robots damaged daily with accidents. Having a
camera on each street is in their interest. AS dominic stated below the telecoms license will only be to link two municipal offices. So setup two 'muni offices' opposite Waterkloof and run a 5km R75 000 fiber cable through everybody's garden connecting these two offices ! Sure it would 'stretch the intent of the license' but the police won't do anything about it. Telkom
won't be able to take civil action either.

There are many dormant Vans lincense holders that will take full legal blame
and partner with residents laying fiber across roads. A 4-core fiber corrugated
cable is R15/m from Falcon Electronics (011 630 1000)
www.Aberdare.co.za
011 456 4314
Deon Stein does Fiber network planning.
 
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BTTB said:
Telkom realise that they are going to lose business.
Once Knysna is up and running, I think that many a Council around South Africa will venture down to Knysna to see how it works and the cost savings thereof.
It could potentially lose Telkom Millions throughout the country.
Knysna will win this one. If they don't, I think it is high time that Mr Mbeki started scratching around the DOC and fish out why after his State of the Nation Speech on the 11th of February 2005 almost 200 days ago, South Africa is still in the Dark Ages as far as Telecommunications goes.
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I have information that self-provision by local government entities is definitely to be allowed - apparently this will be confirmed at the business connexion forum on local govt which will be opened by the Minister (think it is in November) @ which time she will give the go ahead for the following framework

1. municipalities will be granted private telecomms network licences
2. municipalities will be given frequency spectrum licences in the 5.4Ghz range

i have seen an ICASA document where they support the idea that the area of jurisdiction of a municipality is to be regarded as a single contiguous area (the muni owns the roads and poublic boundaries). this means that the exception in section 41(2)(b) of the Act comes into play allowing the PTN licencess (muni) to obtain facilities from wherever they want

of course this only applies to communications between municipal offices...the knysan story is a little different
 
I don't agree with the current situation in regards to Telkom BUT polluting the WI-FI spectrum with high powered receivers can't continue... Open up the market but radio spectrum is limited and needs to be controlled and managed.
 
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I don't agree with the current situation in regards to Telkom BUT polluting the WI-FI spectrum with high powered receivers can't continue... Open up the market but radio spectrum is limited and needs to be controlled and managed.
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agreed - nobody should be preaching anarchy i support intelligent licensing and frequency management
 
Act.96 states clearly that any communications device sending data across the street is illegal.
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LOL very interesting, does government intend to confiscate every Wifi enabled device in this country, including cell phones, PSPs, Notebooks and so on. I don't think SO !!!!!
 
Cell phones are covered by the license give to the cell phone operators.
Technically Telkom can take you to court/fine you if you have a wireless lan crossing the boundary of your property (It does not necessarily have to be a road - it can be the fence between you and your neighbour).
 
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of course this only applies to communications between municipal offices...the knysna story is a little different
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This could become interesting. You currently have Utilities in i.e. Jhb (City Power, Pikitup, etc.) which, I think, are separate legal entities delivering a service to COJ. Would COJ be able to link up with these utilities ?
 
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