Telkom's Dodgy Interest-Charging Ways

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Hey all,

I am lodging the following compliant. The issue was drawn to my attention by another forumite, so kudo's to him for briging this up.

I would like to ask people for comments and criticism. In a few days I will change what needs to be changed, and then, after the final version of this complaint has been posted here, I will ask anyone and everyone who agress with what's written here to please send me their details so that this complaint can be launched by a group of people (as opposed to just be individually - has more weight the more people who sign on to this).

I still have to familiarise myself with the functions and mandate of the Public Protector, so parts dealing with them are incomplete.

Telkom obviously makes hundreds of millions every year through their dodgy and abusive interest-charging policies, and the aim here is to get the regulatory bodies to take a stand against this.

Please comment, I really think we can make a difference in this matter.

Debbie2
(I have put this in announcements section, as I feel it is important enough. Please move to consumer section if you mods don't want it around here!).



INTRODUCTION
This complaint is being laid with: 1) The Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (ICASA); 2) The Public Protector; and 3) The Competition Commission. This complaint is made by the people listed below. The complaint concerns the manner in which Telkom charges interest on overdue accounts.

In summary, the complaint is that Telkom unfairly and possibly illegally forces customers to consent to highly unusual and unfavourable practices with regard to the way in which they charge interest on overdue accounts.

BODIES RECEIVING THIS COMPLAINT
The complaint is being launched with:

1. ICASA, since ICASA is the body responsible for and had a legal mandate, as contained in the ICASA Act and the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (as amended), to protect the public’s interest.

2. Competition Commission, since we contend that Telkom’s interest-charging policies constitute abuse of monopoly position and are therefore a matter for the Competition Commission to consider.

3. Public Protector, since it is the duty of the Public Protector to …..

COMPLAINT
When Telkom issues bills to customers, if the bill is not paid by the due date, then Telkom charges interest from the date that the bill was issued, and not from the date on which the bill became overdue.

So, for example, a bill may be issued on the 1st of the month, and subsequently posted to the customer. The due date for payment is set for the 21st of the month. If the customer pays the bill a day late, i.e. on the 22nd of the month, then the customer is charged interest for the period 1st – 22nd. Therefore, in this example, 21 days of interest are charged for, and not 1 day, even though the bill was paid only one day late. In fact, the customer would be charged interest covering the period when they had not even received their bill.

Additionally, if a customer requests an extension of a few days, Telkom tells the customer that the extension has been granted, but Telkom still charges interest. For example, a customer may have a bill issued on the 1st of the month with the due date set for the 21st of the month. The customer then requests an extension until the 24th of the month. Even though Telkom tells the customer the extension has been granted, and even if the customer pays on the 24th of the month, the customer will still be charged interest covering the period from the 1st of the month until the 24th of the month.

Furthermore, Telkom claims that they are charging “interest” for the days covering the period from which the bill was issued until the due date of the bill. When Telkom levies a charge that covers this specific time period, Telkom is, in fact, not charging interest at all. Interest is calculated on monies from the time at which any monies owed become due. In the time period between the date of issue of the account and the due date of the account, no money is in fact due by the customer to Telkom. The money only becomes due on the due date, following which interest may be levied. One cannot incur interest on monies that are not yet due. Therefore Telkom’s additional charges for the time period between the issue date and the due date (what Telkom claims is “interest”), is, in fact, a purely arbitrary penalty. Although Telkom calculates this money as “interest”, it is NOT interest.

The way in which Telkom charges interest, as described above, is written into Telkom’s Standard Terms and Conditions for the Provision of Public Switched Telecommunications Services. Section 6.1 (ix) says the following:

"Interest on overdue amounts: Any amount due by the Customer to Telkom not paid on or before the Due Date indicated on the account, shall bear interest at the Interest Rate, compounded monthly, calculated from the date of issue of the account until date of actual payment thereof."

JUSTIFICATION FOR THE COMPLAINT
In our opinion, Telkom’s interest-charging policy which they force upon all customers is atypical, unreasonable, abusive, and would not occur in a competitive environment.

Let it be made clear that we DO NOT contend that it is unreasonable for Telkom to charge interest. What we object to is the atypical and highly unusual practice of charging interest from the date the bill was issued and not from the date on which the bill became due and payable. It is our argument, therefore, that Telkom should be prohibited from charging interest for days which precede the due date of the bill. In the event that a bill is paid late, interest should only be charged from the date on which the bill became overdue.

The purpose of an independent regulator (i.e. ICASA), in the words of former ICASA Chairperson Mandla Langa, is to create regulatory conditions which “mimic a competitive environment”. Considering that Telkom’s interest-charging policies are virtually unknown in other (non-monopoly) sectors of South Africa’s economy, it is evident that the only reason Telkom is able enforce such abusive conditions on their customers is due to the monopoly environment in fixed-line telecommunications. ICASA therefore has a duty to take action to stop this practice by drafting appropriate regulations which:
(i) Ban Telkom’s current interest-charging practices;
(ii) Allow Telkom to charge interest only from the due date of the account;
(iii) Mimic the effect of a competitive environment;

and to put such regulations to the Minister of Communications for her approval.

The Competition Commission has a duty to investigate whether Telkom’s interest-charging policies constitute a violation of the Competition Act, and, if so, then to recommend a fine to the Competition Commission’s Tribunal.

The Public Protector has a duty to….

The way in which Telkom charges interest is clearly not standard corporate practice. Telkom’s policies are plainly exploitative of the under-empowered consumer, whose only recourse exists through the bodies to which this complaint is lodged. Customers have no choice but to consent to such provisions within Telkom’s Standard Terms and Conditions. Given that this is not standard practice in business, we fail to see an adequate justification why Telkom should be allowed to continue to force customers into accepting such iniquitous policies.
 
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Go get them Debbie2

You have my full support........
Where do I sign...?
 
umm no. Their method actually seems correct. Telkom is legally entitled to charge interest from the date that the money becomes due (which in fact is the time that the service is supplied.) The fact that they don't charge interest on all outstanding amounts is a business decision on their part. Thus they are perfectly entitled to charge interest on arrears. If you borrow money from a bank, you don't get a month of interest free credit- you pay from day one - why should Telkom be any different?

The only part of your complaint with merit, I think, is the fact that people that make arrangements to pay late are not informed that they are liable for the interest.

JMHO
 
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arf9999 said:
umm no. Their method actually seems correct. Telkom is legally entitled to charge interest from the date that the money becomes due (which in fact is the time that the service is supplied.)
JMHO

But is the service not supplied over the entire month and not just a lump sum at the beginning?
 
If I would charge my clients interest the Telkom does, I would be out of business very fast!

I have to agree, the way one charges interest is a business decision. That is why I seldom charge interest...

I suggest you have a look in their terms & conditions for the interest rules agreed to. Not much of a case if it is what one has been forced to agree to because their is only one supplier.

Any reason why all that legal jargon is required? Why can't the terms & conditions not be a single page in simple language? As it is, I doubt if anybody knows what they really mean.
 
gljackson said:
But is the service not supplied over the entire month and not just a lump sum at the beginning?
Yes it is, but they bill in arrears, so the service has already been supplied.
 
Yep, arf9999. Is right. The money became due on the first of the month so that's when Telkom is allowed to start charging interest. We're just lucky that telskum only charge interest if your account becomes overdue. But then again they charge so much it's not like they need it.
 
Thanks for comments this far.

The main thrust here is not on whether it is LEGAL or not to charge interest for the time between the date the bill is printed and the due date. I am not looking for a court case.

The main point here is that this is not standard practice, and happens only because of the monopoly environment. The being said, ICASA and the other bodies have certain duties with regards to creating laws that mimic a competitive environment and protect the consumer. It is therefore Icasa's duty to stop Telkom from doing this, simply because it would not happen in a competitive environment.
 
kaspaas said:
Another question:

What is the interest rate they charge, how is it determined in the conditions and how is it communicated to customers?

They say they charge "at the interest rate". Looking back over my own bills from the past year, I get charged somewhere between 16 and 17%, compounded monthly.

(These conditions are agreed to in the contract. Customers are forced to agree to this.)
 
Debbie ... what does the Ursury Act say about this ???.

Afaik it only sets the limits on the interest that can be charged and not the actual calculation mechanism or duration thereoff ???.
 
As posted you need to see if there is anything that is in the Usury that Telkom are not complying with.

You might want to see what you can do with the following (you might need to check on full facts) For new services and for people / businesses that have been cut off more than twice, they are asked to pay a R 700,00 deposit - They do not pay any interest on this amount, which eventually due to inflation fade away to nothing.

Because Telkom is big and brings in a lot of money, they get Prime minus rates.

Perhaps one of the reasons why they are interest hungry is the VAT bill they have to fork out, remember they make a big profit which means that their input vat invoices are way smaller than the output. They have to pay the vat on the invoices on a monthly or two monthly basis
 
tibby.dude said:
Debbie ... what does the Ursury Act say about this ???
DragonLogos said:
As posted you need to see if there is anything that is in the Usury that Telkom are not complying with.
Hmmm. The Usury Act is actually (imho) an extremely badly-drafted piece of legislation, full of loose ends and circular sets of stipulative definitions, and I rather think that any complaint (to ICASA etc.) which revolves around it is likely to get bogged down very quickly in technical arguments about (e.g.) whether the late-paying Telkom customer is a "credit receiver" within the meaning of the Act and/or whether the Act actually has any application to the relationship between Telkom and such a customer at all.

My understanding, though, is that Debbie's intended complaint about this interest-charging business is not that the behaviour to be complained of is necessaily illegal but simply that it is commercially abnormal and that Telkom's practice of charging interest from date of invoice (in the event of late payment) is in any event not brought fairly or sufficiently to the notice of the customer.

I'm not sure that it's a particularly strong complaint to make, even so, because the fact that interest on overdue accounts will be calculated from date of invoice is in fact stated on the back of the first page of every Telkom invoice. And I'm not at all sure that the calculation of interest in this manner is, in fact, really abnormal.

I think that this complaint ought perhaps to be bundled in as an "extra" with the next really strong complaint that we have. The danger of presenting a weak or "iffy" complaint on its own is that it may result in any future complaint (to the same body) being treated less seriously, or at any rate as less urgent, than might otherwise have been the case.

Michael Alachouzos


PS: I feel a bit bad about "spiking" Debbie's intended complaint like this, because in fact she discussed it with me -- and I encouraged her about it -- before she started this thread. But upon mature reflection (and after asking the opinion of another lawyer), I've come to the conclusion that the complaint does need some re-thinking/re-formulation prior to its being presented.
 
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kaspaas said:
Another question:

What is the interest rate they charge, how is it determined in the conditions and how is it communicated to customers?

Haven't recently checked it, but I think it is Prime + 2. So not unfair.
 
I've been thinking about this one too:

I can't remember seeing on any account from anybody who charged interest, the interest rate at which the interest was calculated.

I believe that this could be the core of a complaint with a "consumer protection office" or whatever these offices of the Department of Labour are called. I believe there are such offices in most cities.

I believe that if Telkom (and everybody else) can be forced to publish the interest rate used for charging interest on the invoice where the interest is charged, it will be a triumph for the consumer in general.
 
kaspaas said:
Another question:

What is the interest rate they charge, how is it determined in the conditions and how is it communicated to customers?

On the back of your bill there is a little section titled "How Telkom calculates interest". Similiar information is contained within the full Standard Terms and Conditions for the Provision of PSTS.
 
kaspaas said:
I suggest you have a look in their terms & conditions for the interest rules agreed to. Not much of a case if it is what one has been forced to agree to because their is only one supplier.

Any reason why all that legal jargon is required? Why can't the terms & conditions not be a single page in simple language? As it is, I doubt if anybody knows what they really mean.

kaspaas (and others), can I please reiterate that my main point is NOT that Telkom's actions are illegal, but rather that they are abusive and highly unusual and would not occur in a competitive environment. If you are familiar with what the law says about ICASA's duties, then you will understand why this is a very legitimate complaint.
 
arf9999 said:
Debbie2, I don't want to get into a war of flames...but why not just pay on time?:)

arf9999, it is extremely difficult for me to do this, mainly due to transport issues.

Anyway, I will be paying my last Telscum bill today.... I am proud to say that I am no longer a Telkon customer!
 
tibby.dude said:
Debbie ... what does the Ursury Act say about this ???.

Afaik it only sets the limits on the interest that can be charged and not the actual calculation mechanism or duration thereoff ???.


Again, my main complaint is not that it is illegal, but that due to the fact that the practice is virtually unheard it is abusive. Why don't people understand this?
 
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