How Liberalism self-destructed in the U.S

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Democrats are still looking for explanations for their stunning rejection in the midterms — citing everything from voting rights violations and Middle America’s racist orientation to Americans’ inability to perceive the underlying genius of President Barack Obama’s economic policy.

What they have failed to consider is the albatross of contemporary liberalism.

Liberalism once embraced the mission of fostering upward mobility and a stronger economy. But liberalism’s appeal has diminished, particularly among middle-class voters, as it has become increasingly control-oriented and economically cumbersome.

Today, according to most recent polling, no more than one in five voters call themselves liberal.

This contrasts with the far broader support for the familiar form of liberalism forged from the 1930s to the 1990s. Democratic presidents from Franklin D. Roosevelt to Bill Clinton focused largely on basic middle-class concerns — such as expanding economic opportunity, property ownership and growth.

Modern-day liberalism, however, is often ambivalent about expanding the economy — preferring a mix of redistribution with redirection along green lines. Its base of political shock troops, public-employee unions, appears only tangentially interested in the health of the overall economy.

In the short run, the diminishment of middle-of-the-road Democrats at the state and national level will probably only worsen these tendencies, leaving a rump party tied to the coastal regions, big cities and college towns. There, many voters are dependents of government, subsidized students or public employees, or wealthy creative people, college professors and business service providers.

This process — driven in large part by the liberal attachment to economically regressive policies such as cap and trade — cost the Democrats mightily throughout the American heartland. Politicians who survived the tsunami, such as Sen. Joe Manchin in West Virginia, did so by denouncing proposals in states where green policies are regarded as hostile to productive local industries that are major employers.

Populism, a traditional support of liberalism, has been undermined by a deep suspicion that President Barack Obama’s economic policy favors Wall Street investment bankers over those who work on Main Street. This allowed the GOP, a party long beholden to monied interests, to win virtually every income segment earning more than $50,000.

Obama also emphasized an urban agenda that promoted nationally directed smart growth, inefficient light rail and almost ludicrous plans for a national high-speed rail network. These proposals appealed to the new urbanist cadre but had little appeal for the vast majority of Americans who live in outer-ring neighborhoods, suburbs and small towns.

The failure of Obama-style liberalism has less to do with government activism than with how the administration defined its activism. Rather than deal with basic concerns, it appeared to endorse the notion of bringing the federal government into aspects of life — from health care to zoning — traditionally controlled at the local level.

This approach is unpopular even among “millennials,” who, with minorities, represent the best hope for the Democratic left. As the generational chroniclers Morley Winograd and Michael Hais point out, millennials favor government action — but generally at the local level, which is seen as more effective and collaborative. Top-down solutions from “experts,” Winograd and Hais write in a forthcoming book, are as offensive to millennials as the right’s penchant for dictating lifestyles.

Often eager to micromanage people’s lives, contemporary liberalism tends to obsess on the ephemeral while missing the substantial. Measures such as San Francisco’s recent ban on Happy Meals follow efforts to control the minutiae of daily life. This approach trivializes the serious things government should do to boost economic growth and opportunity.

Perhaps worst of all, the new liberals suffer from what British author Austin Williams has labeled a “poverty of ambition.” FDR offered a New Deal for the middle class, President Harry S. Truman offered a Fair Deal and President John F. Kennedy pushed us to reach the moon.
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In contrast, contemporary liberals seem more concerned about controlling soda consumption and choo-chooing back to 19th-century urbanism. This poverty of ambition hurts Democrats outside the urban centers. For example, when I met with mayors from small, traditionally Democratic cities in Kentucky and asked what the stimulus had done for them, almost uniformly they said it accomplished little or nothing.

A more traditional liberal approach might have focused on improvements that could leave tangible markers of progress across the nation. The New Deal’s major infrastructure projects — ports, airports, hydroelectric systems, road networks — transformed large parts of the country, notably in the West and South, from backwaters to thriving modern economies.

When FDR commissioned projects such as the Tennessee Valley Authority, he literally brought light to darkened regions. The loyalty created by FDR and Truman built a base of support for liberalism that lasted for nearly a half-century.

Today’s liberals don’t show enthusiasm for airports or dams — or anything that may kick up some dirt. Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Interior Deanna Archuleta, for example, promised a Las Vegas audience: “You will never see another federal dam.”

Harold Ickes, FDR’s enterprising interior secretary, must be turning over in his grave.

The administration would have done well to revive programs like the New Deal Works Progress Administration and Civilian Conservation Corps. These addressed unemployment by providing jobs that also made the country stronger and more competitive. They employed more than 3 million people building thousands of roads, educational buildings and water, sewer and other infrastructure projects.

Why was this approach never seriously proposed for this economic crisis? Green resistance to turning dirt may have been part of it. But undoubtedly more critical was opposition from public- sector unions, which seem to fear any program that threatens their economic privileges.

In retrospect, it’s easy to see why many great liberals — like FDR and New York City Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia — detested the idea of public-sector unions.

Of course, green, public-sector-dominated politics can work — as it has in fiscally challenged blue havens such as California and New York. But then, a net 3 million more people — many from the middle class — have left these two states in the past 10 years.

If this defines success, you have to wonder what constitutes failure.

Joel Kotkin, author of “The Next Hundred Million: America in 2050,” is distinguished senior fellow in urban futures at Chapman University.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45376.html#ixzz15kSUgW7i
 
Stupid ignorant people is the only thing that springs to mind.

Vote bush in a second term but screw obama half way into his first. You must know the level of stupidity going on over there is nothing short of epic.
 
Stupid ignorant people is the only thing that springs to mind.

Vote bush in a second term but screw obama half way into his first. You must know the level of stupidity going on over there is nothing short of epic.

It's not about stupidity, it's about greed. Americans are selfish and greedy, their stock market brought about the devastating economic downturn felt worldwide, due to greed. They want their pork rinds and beer while watching Friday night football, if you mess with that then you better watch out! Don't worry they are in for a big shock real soon, 911 was nothing compared to what their own government is going to do to them.

Btw I don’t support Obama, he was just a seat warmer anyway, that said I did not support Bush either. As far as I'm concerned the American people sold out to the worship of money a long time ago. The founding fathers of The United States must be turning in their graves!
 
It's not about stupidity, it's about greed. Americans are selfish and greedy, their stock market brought about the devastating economic downturn felt worldwide, due to greed. They want their pork rinds and beer while watching Friday night football, if you mess with that then you better watch out! Don't worry they are in for a big shock real soon, 911 was nothing compared to what their own government is going to do to them.

Btw I don’t support Obama, he was just a seat warmer anyway, that said I did not support Bush either. As far as I'm concerned the American people sold out to the worship of money a long time ago. The founding fathers of The United States must be turning in their graves!

so if I want a braai, beer while watching the springboks on Saturday then I am greedy? :)
 
The problem is not with the people of the US. It is with Obama himself ! Actually is not the whole of him - just his IQ,or rather then lack thereoff :D . Dumb people doesn't necessarly make poor presidents. Low IQ people on the other hand . . .
 
It's not about stupidity, it's about greed. Americans are selfish and greedy, their stock market brought about the devastating economic downturn felt worldwide, due to greed. They want their pork rinds and beer while watching Friday night football, if you mess with that then you better watch out! Don't worry they are in for a big shock real soon, 911 was nothing compared to what their own government is going to do to them.

Btw I don’t support Obama, he was just a seat warmer anyway, that said I did not support Bush either. As far as I'm concerned the American people sold out to the worship of money a long time ago. The founding fathers of The United States must be turning in their graves!

Really odd then that Americans don't leach off their government like Europeans do. If you don't work in the U.S you can't afford "pork rinds and beer while watching Friday night football," however in Europe you get it for free along with a whole host of other freebies. They also work longer and harder.

You have a strange idea of greed.
 
Stupid ignorant people is the only thing that springs to mind.

Vote bush in a second term but screw obama half way into his first. You must know the level of stupidity going on over there is nothing short of epic.

I don't agree with the Bush bashing. :)

I don't think he was a bad president. His legacy is still being weighed. If you think the financial crisis (I call it a normalization because the economy of the world was rushing ahead of itself on a cushion of debt) is his fault then I would say it is a bit early for that deduction. I don't know whether Obama is a bad or good president either. What happened to him is not uncommon and if anything is a good outcome of democracy because it toned down the imbalance. Ask yourself this, why didn't he put through the laws he knew would be difficult to pass under a more even senate in the first two years? Perhaps because he knew the "suggested laws" were populist and not necessarily what is needed?
 
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Tell me what you guys think of this liberal:

He starts hitting his stride from the 11th minute onwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj5vFl-YxaI

Here is a link to a thread that really started heating up once me and my buddies entered the fray on page 8:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/282943-The-Face-of-White-Supremacy/page8

So what do you suggest David Morrison (strange you used a "Eurocentric" inferior name), should I now 31 years old give up all my possessions, to be redistributed to the "people of colour" and what... kill myself ? or rather kill all whites and then myself ! That would solve your problems right ? What does your post in this thread have to do with the decline of liberalism in America due to Obama's policies? Oh I see he is a "person of colour" and therefore the opposition he faces is based solely in "white supremacy". :wtf: Take your chip and your shoulder else ware please, this thread is about the decline of liberalism in America, not your political agenda !

@ Zulgin
No that just makes you a South African :p, although not according to David Morrison :erm:
 
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@BigBullBully:

This thread is about liberalism in the USA so I gave you a few videos about american liberalism which applies to liberalism all over the world.
 
@BigBullBully:

This thread is about liberalism in the USA so I gave you a few videos about american liberalism which applies to liberalism all over the world.

But the article does not mention race (or racism) as the underlying cause for the decline in its support, it only mentions how Obama’s policy has changed Americas perception of being liberal.

The failure of Obama-style liberalism has less to do with government activism than with how the administration defined its activism. Rather than deal with basic concerns, it appeared to endorse the notion of bringing the federal government into aspects of life — from health care to zoning — traditionally controlled at the local level.

You then interjected your link to a race based discussion as what exactly, evidence of what? The speaker in the video discuses race and race only, you linked to your view that all whites are inferior. How is that relevant to Obama’s policies, and the subsequent loss of support for liberalism?
 
Stupid ignorant people is the only thing that springs to mind.

Vote bush in a second term but screw obama half way into his first. You must know the level of stupidity going on over there is nothing short of epic.

Totally agreed. Americans are easily manipulated muppets. They vote against their own best interests and support a party corruptly and obviously bought out by big money. Totally agree. America deserves what it gets, at this rate China will be the world leaders soon... yanks are turning out to be useless.

You just gotta watch the Daily Show to see how easily Fox is able to manipulate its viewers.
 
I don't agree with the Bush bashing. :)

I don't think he was a bad president. His legacy is still being weighed. If you think the financial crisis (I call it a normalization because the economy of the world was rushing ahead of itself on a cushion of debt) is his fault then I would say it is a bit early for that deduction. I don't know whether Obama is a bad or good president either. What happened to him is not uncommon and if anything is a good outcome of democracy because it toned down the imbalance. Ask yourself this, why didn't he put through the laws he knew would be difficult to pass under a more even senate in the first two years? Perhaps because he knew the "suggested laws" were populist and not necessarily what is needed?

So you agree to his policies that took America from a record surplus to record debt? The war in Iraq worth it? Nothing a few predator drones could not sort out? Bush was a big money puppet, and a dirty one at that. For me there is nothing to respect in the guy. Heck, even someone as bad as Putin deserves more respect. At least Putin is smart. Domestically (financially / Katrina/ 9/11) he screwed up, internationally he was laughed at by any intelligent observer and dragged America`s name through the mud.
 
The problem is not with the people of the US. It is with Obama himself ! Actually is not the whole of him - just his IQ,or rather then lack thereoff :D . Dumb people doesn't necessarly make poor presidents. Low IQ people on the other hand . . .

That is your opinion but you have not bothered to support your opinion with even a shred of evidence, is your opinion derived from a deep seated jealousy of Obama and his intelligence?

IQ is a relative concept and not understanding someone else doesn't mean you have a higher IQ than they do.
 
The problem is not with the people of the US. It is with Obama himself ! Actually is not the whole of him - just his IQ,or rather then lack thereoff :D . Dumb people doesn't necessarly make poor presidents. Low IQ people on the other hand . . .

Hopefully spelling and grammar isn't indicative of intelligence...

Where did you pull this **** out from?
 
The problem is that Obama was big on promises during his campaign but he hasn't delivered much even though he has had control of senate and congress.
 
What I have found is few really know what Obama has pushed through. http://goo.gl/Z4mx9

I also am astounded by people who blame Obama for the failures caused by a house and senate stonewalled by Republicans at every single session. The republican method was to simply vote no on anything that Obama put forward which meant in a hellava lot of the important stuff, the 60 votes was not acquired. So instead of giving people more votes so Obama can actually do what he needs to do... Americans give him less votes which means absolutely nothing will happen for the next two years.

Yeah go team America. Twits.
 
Tell me what you guys think of this liberal:

He starts hitting his stride from the 11th minute onwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj5vFl-YxaI

Here is a link to a thread that really started heating up once me and my buddies entered the fray on page 8:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/282943-The-Face-of-White-Supremacy/page8

Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege




The problem is that Obama was big on promises during his campaign but he hasn't delivered much even though he has had control of senate and congress.

It's the way he insidiously used the opportunity to push through ideological policies he knew the electorate didn't want but couldn't stop.
 
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Good article there Alan.

I think you misunderstood me or I should have not used a generalised term for American society. My point was that the average American does not support changes in his/her lifestyle easily, I never meant they were lazy, far from it. In referring to their greedy attitude I was referring to government policy (read Republican rich elite) of acting selfishly by promoting reckless economic practises all to gain the quick profit. Wall street was left unregulated as in 1929 to do as it pleased, thus creating the current recession America faces.
 
The problem is that Obama was big on promises during his campaign but he hasn't delivered much even though he has had control of senate and congress.

What was he suppose to deliver in 2 years though? Did he say he could deliver everything he promised in 2 years 1 month and 3 days? Sadly this is the attitude of the average american who gave bush 8 years to run riot.
 
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