ADSL South Africa Wikipedia entry

I actually complained a while ago about the Telkom entry. Now I understand that many people here don't like Telkom, but that entry is rediculous. It is an encyclopedia people. Being a monopoly is hardly one of their defining features.
Tainting a great tool like Wikipedia for your own personal vendetta against Telkom is not cool
 
JStrike said:
I actually complained a while ago about the Telkom entry. Now I understand that many people here don't like Telkom, but that entry is rediculous. It is an encyclopedia people. Being a monopoly is hardly one of their defining features.
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I think it would be pretty difficult describing Telkom without using 'monopoly' a few times. :)
 
I think you need to include monopoly because it defines their business model and therefore the environment in which they operate. It also gives the reader an idea of why it gets away with the excessively high prices listed there.

When they are no longer a monopoly then it would be prudent to remove it.
 
Yes, it should be neutral as it is an encyclopedia. That goes without saying. I'm not suggesting to change it to suit any biased view.
But some of the details are out of date. And this:
Recently ADSL prices in South Africa have come down dramatically, with more cuts expected in the near future.
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is obviously not true.
 
sparklehorse : adsl prices have come down dramatically. ISP charges have risen.
Whatever the reason and correlation, that is how it is
 
JStrike said:
Being a monopoly is hardly one of their defining features.
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It most definitely is! What you been smoking boet?
 
ADSL prices have come down dramatically. ISP charges have risen though. The reason and correlation is irrelevant and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia
 
The Register has this article about Wikipedia. The letters in response to this article can be found here.
JStrike said:
Tainting a great tool like Wikipedia for your own personal vendetta against Telkom is not cool
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Unfortunately Wikipedia is already tainted as a reference work.
 
JStrike said:
ADSL prices have come down dramatically. ISP charges have risen though. The reason and correlation is irrelevant and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia
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Over the course of three years a 30% reduction.. nothing to write home about - Why? Because just the LINE RENTAL of cheapest connection is the same price as a connection in the UK which is 125 times faster and has no cap. Even the upload speed is 10 times faster than our connection's download speed.
 
JStrike said:
ADSL prices have come down dramatically. ISP charges have risen though. The reason and correlation is irrelevant and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia
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I disagree. South Africa is one of the only places where the ISP and the ADSL provider are two separate things. But you need both for an internet connection, which is what ADSL is for. To not include it is biased and leads to a wrong view of ADSL in South Africa.
From Wikipedia:Neutral point of view
Articles should be written without bias, representing all majority and significant minority views fairly. This is the neutral point of view policy.

The policy is easily misunderstood. It doesn't assume that writing an article from a single, unbiased, objective point of view is possible. Instead it says to fairly represent all sides of a dispute by not making articles state, imply, or insinuate that only one side is correct. Crucially, a great merit of Wikipedia is that Wikipedians work together to make articles unbiased.
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I added the last line about the bandwidth prices. Didn't want to go into too much detail - I'll leave that for someone who's more qualified to comment.
 
Well, well...read about New Zealand:

wikipedia said:
New Zealand
This article may not conform to the neutral point of view policy.
A Wikipedian has nominated this article to be checked for its neutrality. Discussion of this nomination can be found on the talk page.

ADSL was launched in 1999 by Telecom New Zealand under the name Jetstream. There was a progressive roll out into local exchanges.

As of 2004.October 24, the ADSL plans are structured as follows:

* 256 kbit/s/128 kbit/s (down/up) usage 1 GB which is known as Jetstream Go
* 1 Mbit/s/128 kbit/s (down/up) usage 1 GB which is known as Jetstream Everyday
* 256 kbit/s/192 kbit/s (down/up) usage 3 GB which is known as Jetstream Explorer
* 2 Mbit/s/192 kbit/s (down/up) usage 10 GB which is known as Jetstream Plus
* 2 Mbit/s/192 kbit/s (down/up) usage 10 GB which is known as Jetstream Swift

All plans have a monthly usage limit. Once this limit is exceeded, the download spead is reduced to 64 kbit/s. Jetstream Swift customers pay an excess usage charge (per MB) if their usage exceeds the 10GB limit.

The services are now offered by many different service providers, though currently the service is still run by Telecom, and on-sold by the other serivce providers.

There is no local loop unbundling so the services is still controlled by Telecom. A wholesale option called the Unbundled Bitstream (a.k.a. UBS) service is available for resellers. UBS was initially introduced for the old plans. It has since been updated to support the new 2 Mbit/s plan.

Telecom New Zealand have now (2005)introduced packet delay to prevent voice over internet to protect their core phone income.
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