ANC takes on ConCourt over McBride

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Disgusting, mark my words, the ANC will soon have an issue with the courts.
Just because some comrades made full disclosures does not mean they are not murderers, the intent was there to kill and that was what happened :mad:

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/ANC-takes-on-ConCourt-over-McBride-20110413

Johannesburg - The Constitutional Court ruling which upheld the Citizen newspaper's appeal in a defamation case by former Ekurhuleni metro police chief Robert McBride, was a blow to "national unity", the ANC said on Wednesday.

"The ruling by the Constitutional Court reopens afresh the wounds of the many who suffered losses of their families, who were tried, banned, detained, maimed and killed," the party's secretary general Gwede Mantashe said in a statement.

"The freedom of speech victory claimed by the Citizen is an ephemeral one, which does not advance the cause of reconciliation and national unity the Truth and Reconciliation Commission sought to bring about."

The commission gave perpetrators of apartheid atrocities the opportunity to receive amnesty for their crimes, in exchange for full disclosure. Mantashe said the past could not be undone, but that the commission had given people hope.

Hasty denials

"In the case of comrade McBride, he appeared before the TRC, made [a] full disclosure, asked for pardon and was offered amnesty.

"The decision of the Constitutional Court suggests that the noble process afforded by our country, through the TRC, to individuals such as comrade McBride, including perpetrators of apartheid atrocities, has been tragically lost," he said.

The ANC urged South Africans to respect the findings of the court and equally respect the "traumatic TRC process" that granted amnesty to McBride and others, who had made full public disclosures and were pardoned.

"We should refrain from hasty denials of the outcomes of the TRC by forever calling those who appeared before it and were pardoned as murderers... without cause and concern for national unity and nation building.

"Let us not undermine the peace and reconciliation process afforded us," he said.

Damages

On Friday, the court held that the Reconciliation Act did not make the fact that McBride committed murder untrue. It found that the Act did not prohibit frank public discussion of his deed and did not prevent him from being described as a "criminal".

The Citizen's main appeal was upheld and the court dismissed McBride's cross-appeal. It nevertheless found the newspaper had defamed McBride by claiming falsely that he had not been remorseful.

McBride was afforded R50 000 for this, reducing his damages awarded by the lower court from R150 000.

The case stemmed from a number of articles and editorials published in the Citizen in 2003, questioning McBride's candidacy for the head of the Ekurhuleni metro police.

According to the articles McBride was unsuitable for the job because he was a "criminal" and a "murderer".
 
Well..........a murderer is a murderer is a murderer even if legally you call him saint .
 
He killed people. He is a murderer! Not sure how telling people the truth about how you murdered people takes that fact away.

"National Unity" se voet!
 
Not only is he a murderer.
He is a coward who murdered.
He is a example of what our brave comrades did during the struggle.
Plant bombs where Innocent civilians were gathering.
Kerk straat, Wimpy and Magoos in Durban.
Magoo's Bar being the battlefield where our brave and honored comrade McBride earned his battle colors. Killing three unsuspecting woman having a party. Such chivalry on the front.
Viva anc. Viva their brave comrades.
MURDERING COWARDS
 
And a drunkard. Don't forget that.

I know that murder is way worse but the TRC gave amnesty (unfortunately). And before that someone decided that his death sentence should commuted. But for that, we would be having this discussion about the coward. So, the label and facts stand. What next? - give him a pardon? - sorry for you, the facts will still stand.

But his guilty verdict on the drunk driving charges still stand along with the subversion of justice. Unless the ANC has a view that getting plastered on Johnnie Walker Blue doesn't count.
 
And a drunkard. Don't forget that.

I know that murder is way worse but the TRC gave amnesty (unfortunately). And before that someone decided that his death sentence should commuted. But for that, we would be having this discussion about the coward. So, the label and facts stand. What next? - give him a pardon? - sorry for you, the facts will still stand.

But his guilty verdict on the drunk driving charges still stand along with the subversion of justice. Unless the ANC has a view that getting plastered on Johnnie Walker Blue doesn't count.

A lying drunk coward.
He bribed a doctor to give him a certificate that he wasn't drunk, after a few others refused. This doctor was found guilty of subversion of justice.

He lied about being drunk.
He was drunk.
He is a coward.

It was all proved ans he was found guilty on all counts.

Viva anc viva.

Supporting a lying, murdering, coward.

Viva.
 
Query who in the ANC egged McBride to plant the bombs. I doubt he did it all on his own, it was probably a case of someone capitalising on his weak persona, which is now evident with his abuse of alcohol. Did McBride reveal the whole truth at the TRC as to who helped him? The ANC used him, but need his silence in exchange for position as for all we know the people who were complicit are now high ranking party members.
 
Query who in the ANC egged McBride to plant the bombs. I doubt he did it all on his own, it was probably a case of someone capitalising on his weak persona, which is now evident with his abuse of alcohol. Did McBride reveal the whole truth at the TRC as to who helped him? The ANC used him, but need his silence in exchange for position as for all we know the people who were complicit are now high ranking party members.

It is of course hypocritical to talk in those terms only against the ANC. The reason McBrides instructors weren't pursued vigorously is the same reason all presidents of the apartheid state weren't pursued & De Klerk even became Dep. Pres in the new dispensation. Everything the ANC did can be assumed to have had tacit approval at the highest level (plausible deniability my ass) ditto the apartheid state in all its entirety.

People in glass houses...
 
Query who in the ANC egged McBride to plant the bombs. I doubt he did it all on his own, it was probably a case of someone capitalising on his weak persona, which is now evident with his abuse of alcohol. Did McBride reveal the whole truth at the TRC as to who helped him? The ANC used him, but need his silence in exchange for position as for all we know the people who were complicit are now high ranking party members.

The whole point is that he was supposed to plant the bombs at Natal Command and was too scared of the surfer boys on guard duty and seeing as he could get a drink at Magoo's anyway....
 
The whole point is that he was supposed to plant the bombs at Natal Command and was too scared of the surfer boys on guard duty and seeing as he could get a drink at Magoo's anyway....
From wiki:
McBride and others were granted amnesty for the attack, although the commission did find the bombing to be a "gross violation of human rights"
 
It is of course hypocritical to talk in those terms only against the ANC. The reason McBrides instructors weren't pursued vigorously is the same reason all presidents of the apartheid state weren't pursued & De Klerk even became Dep. Pres in the new dispensation. Everything the ANC did can be assumed to have had tacit approval at the highest level (plausible deniability my ass) ditto the apartheid state in all its entirety.

People in glass houses...

Have the Nats ever planted bombs in shebeens? And then claimed to be hero's?

People in glass houses... Another way of saying "You are at least as guilty as me".

How anybody can have anything good to say about a coward planting bombs in bars is beyond me.
 
Have the Nats ever planted bombs in shebeens? And then claimed to be hero's?

People in glass houses... Another way of saying "You are at least as guilty as me".

How anybody can have anything good to say about a coward planting bombs in bars is beyond me.

Yeah, well the cowards who shot and planted bombs for the other team are all social recluse right now. Pity McBride didn't go the same way.
 
Receiving amnesty for a crime doesn't magically mean a crime wasn't commited.

Would they prefer killer? Or do they believe amnesty means that no one died and no one killed anyone?
 
Have the Nats ever planted bombs in shebeens? And then claimed to be hero's?

People in glass houses... Another way of saying "You are at least as guilty as me".

How anybody can have anything good to say about a coward planting bombs in bars is beyond me.

According to the TRC records, celebratory braais were the order of the day when the 'security police' - an oxymoron if ever I've seen one - returned from raids, tortures, poisonings, etc. I'm sure medals were awarded all round too. Sound hero'ish to me.
 
MCBride is a child murderer. He is a disgusting cancer to society.

He was such a "brave" freedom fighter that he had to target kids, he was too much of a coward to go after military or police targets.
 
According to the TRC records, celebratory braais were the order of the day when the 'security police' - an oxymoron if ever I've seen one - returned from raids, tortures, poisonings, etc. I'm sure medals were awarded all round too. Sound hero'ish to me.

They raided bases.
They tortured "comrades".
Does your etc. includes murdering innocent people, woman and children, in bars and on streets?
Make it short and sweet. Do you condone what McBride did in Durban?
 
They raided bases.
They tortured "comrades".
Does your etc. includes murdering innocent people, woman and children, in bars and on streets?
Make it short and sweet. Do you condone what McBride did in Durban?
You count the shooting into a crowd of unarmed school children (and killing a few)? Shooting into a crowd of unarmed protesters?
No, I don't condone McBrides murders. On the other hand you seem to condone the murders of the state police as long as they made sure to label the victims 'comrades'.
 
Seems like they had quite an eye for an eye approach:

Ismail said the Magoos bar bombing was to commemorate the June 16, 1976 uprising which began in Soweto, and in which hundreds of youths were shot dead by police countrywide. It was also to commemorate the June 14 raid on the Botswana capital, Gaberone in 1985 in which 12 people, including a six-year-old child died.

Sauce: http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1999/9909/p9900927c.htm
 
You count the shooting into a crowd of unarmed school children (and killing a few)? Shooting into a crowd of unarmed protesters?
No, I don't condone McBrides murders. On the other hand you seem to condone the murders of the state police as long as they made sure to label the victims 'comrades'.

This is about your brave comrade serving drunk as the Metro Chief and then rolled his car.
Let us not derail this thread. If you want to start a thread about unarmed school children, by all means do. Make sure you know your facts and start the thread.

"On the other hand you seem to condone the murders of the state police as long as they made sure to label the victims 'comrades'"

This thread is about your brave comrade Mcbride. I didn't label him comrade, your organization did.

These comrades were fighting a struggle for which they still are awarded medals for their bravery.
In a "struggle" or "War" you die. If you want to call it murder you obviously don't know the difference.

The security forces killed, eliminated, murdered people that was part of the struggle. We did not went to restaurants and shebeens and killed indiscriminately.
 
The security forces killed, eliminated, murdered people that was part of the struggle. We did not went to restaurants and shebeens and killed indiscriminately.

LOL what rubbish. Yes, McBride murdered people and got nabbed for driving drunk, that certainly doesn't exonerate the previous bunch from their crimes as you would like to think.
 
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