Official Tri-Nations 2011 Thread [Archive]

MickeyD

09-07-2011, 08:16 AM

It's RWC year, which makes the Trin-Nations Cup very interesting again.

Fixtures:

23 July: Australia v South Africa - ANZ Stadium, Sydney (12:05)
30 July: New Zealand v South Africa - Westpac Stadium, Wellington (09:35)
5 August: New Zealand v Australia - Eden Park, Auckland (09:35)
13 August: South Africa v Australia - Mr Price Kings Park, Durban (17:05)
20 August: South Africa v New Zealand - Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, Port Elizabeth (17:05)
27 August: Australia v New Zealand - Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane (12:05)

MickeyD

09-07-2011, 08:18 AM

Springbok squad

Backs:
Gio Aplon
Bjorn Basson
Juan de Jongh
Adrian Jacobs
Elton Jantjies
Patrick Lambie
Charl McLeod
Lwazi Mvovo
Odwa Ndungane
Wynand Olivier
Ruan Pienaar
Morne Steyn

Forwards:
Heinrich Brüssow
Jean Deysel
Dean Greyling
Alistair Hargreaves
Ryan Kankowski
Werner Kruger
Ashley Johnson
Johann Muller
Coenie Oosthuizen
Chiliboy Ralepelle
Danie Rossouw
John Smit (captain)
Deon Stegmann
Adriaan Strauss
Flip van der Merwe

killadoob

09-07-2011, 08:24 AM

If the all blacks don't win the tri nations then they are a sure thing for the world cup :D.

GreGorGy

10-07-2011, 05:08 PM

If the all blacks don't win the tri nations then they are a sure thing for the world cup :D.

what? Logic is lost on me here...

Love the TN teams that have been announced...

killadoob

10-07-2011, 09:10 PM

what? Logic is lost on me here...

Love the TN teams that have been announced...

They always peak too soon and then flop/choke in the world cup.

al4bb

10-07-2011, 10:31 PM

what? Logic is lost on me here...

Love the TN teams that have been announced...

No team has who won the tri-nations in a world cup year went on to win the world cup

mcryan

11-07-2011, 02:24 AM

Very exciting indeed. i can't wait for the start, and then the world cup. A few months of good Rugby ahead!

killadoob

11-07-2011, 07:17 AM

No team has who won the tri-nations in a world cup year went on to win the world cup

Yup so let's hope the all black win it :D

GreGorGy

11-07-2011, 08:23 AM

bwana

11-07-2011, 08:28 AM

killadoob

11-07-2011, 08:36 AM

Aha - so that't the logic. Mmmmm - I'd hate to see that cycle broken. Although, it is only ever NZ that has won the TN in a WC year. So really, that's a NZ Hoodoo! I see no reason why we can't take both (other than that "team" that has been "assembled" for the overseas leg)

We can't win the tri nations, i read something about 20 players injured or something along those lines. Thumping of note coming very soon add in pvd we and are liking to be in major trouble :D

Bwana you realize all blacks vs springboks is also a classic, one of the biggest games in world rugby. So get with the program and cover it :D

bwana

11-07-2011, 08:56 AM

We can't win the tri nations, i read something about 20 players injured or something along those lines. Thumping of note coming very soon add in pvd we and are liking to be in major trouble :D

Bwana you realize all blacks vs springboks is also a classic, one of the biggest games in world rugby. So get with the program and cover it :DI know but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush so to speak. Hopefully the EL match will start early enough for me to shoot, file, and jet and I'll make it back in time for at least the second half.

hungrybeaver

11-07-2011, 09:09 AM

Got my ticket for the SA Oz game at Kings Park :D

Team selections are going to be very interesting, what with the SANZAR "gentlemen's agreement" about not fielding weaker teams. I expect a lot of young players being shuffled into the teams and I think we'll see an expansive style of play from everyone.

[-]Out of interest, are the Boks going to have any warm-up games before the TN kicks off?[/-]

edit: I dont think there will be any time for warm-up games... TN starts in 2 weeks :wtf:

Devill

11-07-2011, 03:01 PM

APoc184

11-07-2011, 03:16 PM

No space for Grant but there is a place for Jantjies? :wtf:

Same with Sarel Pretorius. Granted there are some doubts about his defense but he brings so much more to the squad and a good coach will work around that weakness.

Oh yeah right. We don't have a good coach. That's why he wasn't picked.

APoc184

11-07-2011, 03:17 PM

It would be nice to see you guys join our Superbru Pool for the Tri-Nations.

Pool Name: Rugby15.co.za
Pool Code: curlsuch

APoc184

11-07-2011, 04:01 PM

CJ van der Linde and Gerhard Mostert also added to the touring squad.

As cover for injuries.
http://www.rugby15.co.za/2011/07/two-added-to-springbok-squad-as-cover-for-castle-tri-nations-tour/

thestaggy

12-07-2011, 09:58 AM

What is this mans (P.Divvy) fascination with Adi Jacobs? The entire Sharks midfield is utter trash and Adi can't even lock down a starting spot there. And Charl McLeod? The guy that looked like a schoolboy that wondered onto the field against the Crusaders.

I'm also tired of SARU overlooking the Lions. This is supposeldy not a first choice squad so guys like Jano Vermaak, Josh Strauss and Doppies le Grange should receive a look-in here. I'd take Jano over McLeod and Doppies over Adi. Doppies can actually affect linebreaks. And the one Lion that did get in had a terrible season.

thestaggy

12-07-2011, 10:11 AM

1 - Coenie Oosthuizen
2 - John Smit(c)
3 - Werner Kruger
4 - Danie Rossouw
5 - Johann Muller(vc)
6 - Heinrich Brussow
7 - Jean Deysel
8 - Ryan Kankowski
9 - Ruan Pienaar
10 - Morne Steyn
11 - Bjorn Basson
12 - Wynand Olivier
13 - Juan de Jongh
14 - Gio Aplon
15 - Pat Lambie

16 - Chilliboy Ralepelle
17 - Dean Greyling
18 - Alistair Hargreaves
19 - Ashley Johnson
20 - Charl McLeod
21 - Adi Jacobs
22 - Lwazi Mvovo

Devill

12-07-2011, 12:06 PM

GreGorGy

12-07-2011, 12:54 PM

killadoob

12-07-2011, 01:10 PM

I like trouble. Are those Oz and NZ sides second-string as well?

I highly doubt they have as many injuries as we do. They have been told they are not allowed to field under strength teams nor do i think they would want to. Tri nations should be the stepping stone to finding your ultimate team.

GreGorGy

12-07-2011, 01:14 PM

I highly doubt they have as many injuries as we do. They have been told they are not allowed to field under strength teams nor do i think they would want to. Tri nations should be the stepping stone to finding your ultimate team.

Mmmm- am I the only one calling BS on our list of "injuries"?

DJ...

12-07-2011, 01:14 PM

I highly doubt they have as many injuries as we do.

I highly doubt we have as many injuries as we claim to have...

DJ...

12-07-2011, 01:15 PM

Mmmm- am I the only one calling BS on our list of "injuries"?

Definitely not. What I like though is that we still have a really good "2nd string" team, and personally I have no issue with this tactic in a World Cup year. Nothing whatsoever...

killadoob

12-07-2011, 01:17 PM

I highly doubt we have as many injuries as we claim to have...

It could very possibly be the case but that would be very stupid in my opinion. That will mean we will go into the world cup with players who have been sidelined for a few months. Imagine we actually do well in the tri nations what happens to those certain to be in the team injured players? Get left out? Play while the the guys who performed get sidelined again?

GreGorGy

12-07-2011, 01:18 PM

Definitely not. What I like though is that we still have a really good "2nd string" team, and personally I have no issue with this tactic in a World Cup year. Nothing whatsoever...

Agreed, although killa's assertion that the TN provides an opportunity to find the right WC team is valuable.

DJ...

12-07-2011, 01:20 PM

It could very possibly be the case but that would be very stupid in my opinion. That will mean we will go into the world cup with players who have been sidelined for a few months.

We've played more than enough rugby so far this year. Everyone has. In a World Cup year I think this is a smart move - and should be acceptable in terms of SANZAR's rules. Unfortunately Aussie income requirements trump logic, once again...

DJ...

12-07-2011, 01:22 PM

Agreed, although killa's assertion that the TN provides an opportunity to find the right WC team is valuable.

IMO opinion PdV already knows the make-up of the team, although there is some element of sound reasoning in allowing for last minute fine-tuning to the team, I do agree...

killadoob

12-07-2011, 01:28 PM

IMO opinion PdV already knows the make-up of the team, although there is some element of sound reasoning in allowing for last minute fine-tuning to the team, I do agree...

Look it's a tough one, we go into the world cup unprepared with players who have had very little game time but no one is injured or we go into the world cup with prepared players.

We will see how it works out because the players are missing now so we can only hope this ploy works but i would rather see a good tri nations performance going into the world cup. I would not like to go to the world on the back of 6 defeats in the tri nations. Confidence is also a big factor but we will see how it plays out.

McT

12-07-2011, 02:01 PM

Yup so let's hope the all black win it :D

^^ :D

It would be nice to see you guys join our Superbru Pool for the Tri-Nations.

Pool Name: Rugby15.co.za
Pool Code: curlsuch

Will have to try later. It bombed me out when I tried to access my account.

McT

12-07-2011, 06:29 PM

Signed up

Devill

13-07-2011, 11:06 AM

Mmmm- am I the only one calling BS on our list of "injuries"?

I think about 80% of that list's entries are real injuries.

IMO opinion PdV already knows the make-up of the team, although there is some element of sound reasoning in allowing for last minute fine-tuning to the team, I do agree...

I wonder if that is why "sure" choice guys like Steyn and Spies are being give a chance to gain some form.
Spies imo on current form is not our best 8th man. Steyn struggled in the beginning of the season but was back to his normal self in the last 6 or so games.
John will also benefit from the game time that he was lacking at the sharks.

Greg43

14-07-2011, 03:29 PM

all Blacks will win the Tri-Nations and the World Cup

GreGorGy

14-07-2011, 04:24 PM

all Blacks will win the Tri-Nations and the World Cup

Nice name. *** prediction.

Here's hoping to go point and ha-ha you later...

Devill

14-07-2011, 04:42 PM

all Blacks will win the Tri-Nations and the World Cup

Well as in the last three World Cups they will enter as favourites. Maybe this time even more than before with it being held in NZ.
But one would wonder if they can hold it together long enough to win the WC.

killadoob

14-07-2011, 07:29 PM

Well as in the last three World Cups they will enter as favourites. Maybe this time even more than before with it being held in NZ.
But one would wonder if they can hold it together long enough to win the WC.

I don't know if they will go in heavy favourite, all depends on the tri nations performance which they should walk and i hope they do. If they don't well a hefty bet on them winning the world seems the only logical answer :D

Robocop

14-07-2011, 07:39 PM

I don't want to read the whole post, but have always been the most positive fan. I believe we will win the TN and the WC. AGAIN.

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macboer

19-07-2011, 12:49 PM

lookin forward to weekend

Devill

19-07-2011, 01:52 PM

lookin forward to weekend

Haha, same here. Think we might see some good running rugby from the "B-side" boks. Also the Aussies will want to show that last weekend was nothing more than a fluke.

Lets hope Cooper does not have one of those "Magical" games that he has had a couple of this S15 season.

sand_man

19-07-2011, 02:37 PM

Has the starting XV been named yet?

Mephisto_Helix

19-07-2011, 02:42 PM

11am odd ko right? Oh well, early braai time .... amped to watch this game, hope the boys can make a nice impact early on.

sand_man

19-07-2011, 02:48 PM

South Africa: 15 Gio Aplon, 14 Bjorn Basson, 13 Juan De Jongh, 12 Wynand Oliver, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Ashley Johnson, 7 Danie Rossouw, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Johann Muller, 4 Flip Van Der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 John Smit (captain), 1 Dean Greyling.
Replacements: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 CJ Van Der Linde, 18 Alistair Hargreaves, 19 Jean Deysel, 20 Charl McLeod, 21 Adrian Jacobs, 22 Patrick Lambie.

killadoob

19-07-2011, 02:50 PM

11am odd ko right? Oh well, early braai time .... amped to watch this game, hope the boys can make a nice impact early on.

Not really odd, it's about the norm for aus if i remember correctly.

DJ...

19-07-2011, 03:01 PM

Not really odd, it's about the norm for aus if i remember correctly.

MH doesn't mean the kick off time is odd. He means around-about 11am...;)

killadoob

19-07-2011, 03:17 PM

MH doesn't mean the kick off time is odd. He means around-about 11am...;)

Yea wait til we see 9 o clock :D. Nothing like cracking a beer at 8am and slightly tipsy by kick off haha.

Devill

19-07-2011, 03:23 PM

11am odd ko right? Oh well, early braai time .... amped to watch this game, hope the boys can make a nice impact early on.

+1. I hope that we can surprise :D

South Africa: 15 Gio Aplon, 14 Bjorn Basson, 13 Juan De Jongh, 12 Wynand Oliver, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Ashley Johnson, 7 Danie Rossouw, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Johann Muller, 4 Flip Van Der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 John Smit (captain), 1 Dean Greyling.
Replacements: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 CJ Van Der Linde, 18 Alistair Hargreaves, 19 Jean Deysel, 20 Charl McLeod, 21 Adrian Jacobs, 22 Patrick Lambie.

I am afraid that with olivier on inside De Jongh will see little of the ball. olivier has a lot of potential but he fails to offload time after time after time and that is just not good enough. :(

sand_man

20-07-2011, 11:55 AM

APoc184

20-07-2011, 12:03 PM

I am afraid that with olivier on inside De Jongh will see little of the ball. olivier has a lot of potential but he fails to offload time after time after time and that is just not good enough. :(

You have to remember. That is the type of game plan the Bulls want him to play.
I was told recently that apparently he doesn't like running those lines and doing "crash ball" all the time. But he was told if he won't do it, they will get somebody else to do it.

I am optimistic about our chances to win on Saturday. Would have loved to see Brussow fit and ready but rather not risk him. We are going to need him in the World Cup.

Devill

20-07-2011, 12:10 PM

I really like the look of this backline. Ruan back at 9 where he belongs, Juan back at 13 where he belongs and what a talent he is. Back 3 dynamic and have the potential to run rings!!

It's the forwards that worry me though. Loose trio are slow and cumbersome, tight 5 untested..

Mmmm don't know if I would describe Steggies as cubersome. True he has not had the greatest form of late but he is more of a Brussouw flanker than a Schalk Burger.
Danie Rossouw is also a tried and tested player on this level as is Johan Muller and John Smit. let us just hope it is enough to calm the rest of the players.

I also like the look of the back line barring Olivier... but if he can learn to off load in the tackle in the next couple of days we might just surprise :)

sand_man

20-07-2011, 12:19 PM

I also like the look of the back line barring Olivier... but if he can learn to off load in the tackle in the next couple of days we might just surprise :)
It's ironic but Oliviers form went to s hit quite soon after he was selected for the Bok squad against the Lions...

Prior to that he was the countries premier inside centre alongside Jean...

Devill

20-07-2011, 12:28 PM

You have to remember. That is the type of game plan the Bulls want him to play.
I was told recently that apparently he doesn't like running those lines and doing "crash ball" all the time. But he was told if he won't do it, they will get somebody else to do it.

I am optimistic about our chances to win on Saturday. Would have loved to see Brussow fit and ready but rather not risk him. We are going to need him in the World Cup.

That would be sad if it is true :( I say he could be a natural inside centre because he is quick footed and he is strong and his defence is above average. But he needs to really spread the ball more.

It's ironic but Oliviers form went to s hit quite soon after he was selected for the Bok squad against the Lions...

Prior to that he was the countries premier inside centre alongside Jean...

True imo as well. Last time he did not shape well in the Bok colours :(

axelblue

21-07-2011, 02:39 PM

Does anyone know who will start in the Wallaby team. Probably the same team more or less that lost against Samoa. Just Cooper, Genia andd Higginbotham in the starting line-up.

APoc184

21-07-2011, 03:16 PM

Does anyone know who will start in the Wallaby team. Probably the same team more or less that lost against Samoa. Just Cooper, Genia andd Higginbotham in the starting line-up.

Australia: Kurtley Beale; James O'Connor, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Pat McCabe, Digby Ioane; Quade Cooper, Will Genia; Sekope Kepu, Stephen Moore, Ben Alexander, Rob Simmons, James Horwill, Rocky Elsom, David Pocock, Ben McCalman.

Replacements: Saia Fainga'a, Pek Cowan, Nathan Sharpe, Matt Hodgson, Scott Higginbotham, Nick Phipps, Anthony Fainga'a.

Devill

21-07-2011, 03:46 PM

Does anyone know who will start in the Wallaby team. Probably the same team more or less that lost against Samoa. Just Cooper, Genia andd Higginbotham in the starting line-up.

Heard there is 7 changes.

Sheepbot

21-07-2011, 04:27 PM

I have a really good feeling about the game on Saturday - I really think our "younger" team has a good chance of toppling the Aussie favourites :D

AutoX

22-07-2011, 10:21 AM

I have a really good feeling about the game on Saturday - I really think our "younger" team has a good chance of toppling the Aussie favourites :D

I hope we can do it, i will be really great mentally for the team moving forward in the tournament:)

Mephisto_Helix

22-07-2011, 10:54 AM

I just hope we spread the ball now and then to Mvovo .... that guy is a joy to watch. Must say that even though I think we may just pull of a win, I don't like the team line up much :/

Devill

22-07-2011, 01:36 PM

I just hope we spread the ball now and then to Mvovo .... that guy is a joy to watch. Must say that even though I think we may just pull of a win, I don't like the team line up much :/

Do you not like it much but will take it out off the players that make up the group or are there other players you would play that is in the group but not in the starting 22?

sand_man

22-07-2011, 01:40 PM

I'm very much looking forward to watching these guys play. They may be a little out of their depth and green but they shouldn't lack enthusiasm or vigor and in a close, tight game of rugby that could be the deciding factor...

Zarathustra

22-07-2011, 01:43 PM

Score predictions for tomorrow's South Africa vs Australia match?!?

sand_man

22-07-2011, 01:44 PM

Score predictions for tomorrow's South Africa vs Australia match?!?

32-28 OZ...

APoc184

22-07-2011, 01:46 PM

sand_man

22-07-2011, 01:50 PM

Counting on the young and enthusiastic players to make us proud.

If we can limit Quade Cooper's space and keep our defence tight on the wings where Digby Ioane will be trying to get past. I reckon we can do it.

But I'm expecting both teams to keep it tight with a waterlogged field expected.

mmmm forgot about the rain.... Could work for us... I know Morne is going to be pretty accurate with his goal kicking while Cooper, is at best, erratic...

axelblue

22-07-2011, 02:44 PM

Counting on the young and enthusiastic players to make us proud.

If we can limit Quade Cooper's space and keep our defence tight on the wings where Digby Ioane will be trying to get past. I reckon we can do it.

But I'm expecting both teams to keep it tight with a waterlogged field expected.
The wet will probably be in our favour. We have to dominate their pack to starve their dangerous backline of possession. We should have the advantage in the forwards easily.

smokey

22-07-2011, 03:43 PM

What time does the match start?

axelblue

22-07-2011, 04:49 PM

What time does the match start?
K.O is 12:05 our time.

killadoob

22-07-2011, 05:48 PM

35 15, o how i hope i am wrong :D

axelblue

22-07-2011, 06:10 PM

I see Quade Cooper did not train with the team today due to a stomach bug. If he does not play then Gits will probably be in. With Kurtley Beale at flyhalf.

ErEkTiLe_DySfUnKsHuN

22-07-2011, 06:22 PM

Andries Bekker out of Tri-Nations AND the RWC as he has to undergo an ankle operation.

axelblue

22-07-2011, 06:25 PM

I go for 32 - 16 to Aus. Hope I am wrong as well

axelblue

22-07-2011, 06:27 PM

Andries Bekker out of Tri-Nations AND the RWC as he has to undergo an ankle operation.
This is bad news for us. He is one of our top locks, but the younster will be back. Wonder who will join Victor, Bakkies and Flip for the RWC. Hargreaves? But Danie R can also cover lock.

GreGorGy

22-07-2011, 06:58 PM

Andries Bekker out of Tri-Nations AND the RWC as he has to undergo an ankle operation.

It is times like these that I truly rue the decision by myBB mods to disallow cursing because the words to describe my feelings all contain Cs and Us none of them are pleasant. There's some Fs and Ks there too, btw. And NTs.

That said (or rather, implied cos it cannot be said) this is really our last opportunity to try out some other talent and I hope we do not squander it

Sym2Droid

23-07-2011, 07:58 AM

Go BBokke!

APoc184

23-07-2011, 08:02 AM

Bokke for life!

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Ronjay

23-07-2011, 11:09 AM

SA to win by 1 or 2 but it will be a very low scoring game.

MickeyD

23-07-2011, 11:14 AM

Don't care for the score as long as we have more points than them at the final whistle!!

APoc184

23-07-2011, 11:16 AM

Apparently their will be no rain during the game and the field dried up pretty good.

So advantage Australia! Eish!

Wall

23-07-2011, 11:30 AM

come on bokke!!! :D

let's smash them

sand_man

23-07-2011, 11:33 AM

Apparently their will be no rain during the game and the field dried up pretty good.

So advantage Australia! Eish!

Good news!! I want to see our back 3 smoke em!! The potential is there, it's been there for the last 3 seasons. Basson, Lwazi and Aplon are arguably the 3 most dynamic and exciting back line players in SA at the mo. Today they will hopefully get the space and the time to display their skill set.

dal2000

23-07-2011, 12:17 PM

Gotta love this poor audio quality. I'd rather listen to the ozzies right now.

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 12:17 PM

Yay, Danie Rossouw then Flip and then a crappy midfield and they score .......... farkin amateurs

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 12:19 PM

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 12:19 PM

This is ridiculous ....... Had a feeling the ****ty Bulls and Province backline was gonna be our downfall

Go Steyn, Go Aplon, Go Meisiekind !!!

dal2000

23-07-2011, 12:19 PM

Little Bokke getting ass pillaged..

Chris

23-07-2011, 12:20 PM

Another try...this could end up rather badly. Have to agree with M_H wrt the forwards.

MickeyD

23-07-2011, 12:20 PM

Early days.... but we must FSCKING TACKLE!

techead

23-07-2011, 12:22 PM

Tackle the ***kers!!!! lol

sand_man

23-07-2011, 12:23 PM

Kicking away possession. Malakies.

dal2000

23-07-2011, 12:23 PM

Get Basson out of that team....

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 12:25 PM

15 minutes in and Flippy chop already has what, 2 or 3 penalties against him ..... geezuz

dal2000

23-07-2011, 12:26 PM

No intensity. Just sitting back waiting. When they get the ball they kick it away..

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 12:26 PM

Aussies are giving us a rugby lesson out there. Why do we look like we are so slow out there?

Yes, just bash it up the middle until you lose it.

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 12:33 PM

Until someone realises that having someone like Aplon at the back, someone like Ashley "useless-except-in-Bloem" Johnson and someone like Meisie in the midfield, we are fscked. Better players in all those positions just stuck here at home instead.

And that useless piece of human that is Steyn just chucking the ball at people or kicking it meaninglessly away ....... well, lemme not say anymore.

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 12:33 PM

Looks like the Bokke are going back to the good old days of 3 passes and then knock on.:mad::mad:

CHURCHILL

23-07-2011, 12:39 PM

Looks like the Bokke are going back to the good old days of 3 passes and then knock on.:mad::mad:

More like, scrumhalf passes to Steyn, Steyn kicks up n under, bulls rugby

dal2000

23-07-2011, 12:39 PM

Looks like the Bokke are going back to the good old days of 3 passes and then knock on.:mad::mad:

Lol wasn't too long ago, was just 2010.

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 12:41 PM

More like, scrumhalf passes to Steyn, Steyn kicks up n under, bulls rugby

yep, it's never the expansive, getting-with-the-times style of WeePee or the Sharks ...... boggles my mind as to why not

techead

23-07-2011, 12:41 PM

Oh look we on the board lol :)

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 12:43 PM

this just reminds me again that we're probably the MOST predictable side in world rugby. How we sometimes beat the top teams is beyond me. No depth in the backline, no initiative, always some loose forwards between Pienaar and Steyn, same play over and over and over and over ........... again!

CHURCHILL

23-07-2011, 12:43 PM

yep, it's never the expansive, getting-with-the-times style of WeePee or the Sharks ...... boggles my mind as to why not

What's even more mind boggling is guys like Keegan Daniels sits at home and kanko sits on the bench with Lambie.

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 12:44 PM

Ffs, please pass the farking ball olivier, seriously

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 12:45 PM

What's even more mind boggling is guys like Keegan Daniels sits at home and kanko sits on the bench with Lambie.

Gonna have to do the infamous +1 here. That's why I said just now, there are players just sitting here at home or chilling on the bench while the dumb fscks play.

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 12:46 PM

Watch how the Ausie backs on especially second fase onwards run from deep, allowing themselves space to build up speed. How to you run through tackles? With speed, nothing else. Anyones saw the stats a while ago on miss tackles? Aus 2 SA 15

MickeyD

23-07-2011, 12:47 PM

Where's the spark? Where's the creativity????

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 12:48 PM

Where's the spark? Where's the creativity???? Its called predictability MD

techead

23-07-2011, 12:48 PM

Think I might play games instead of watching this k@k :erm:

Why we keep kicking the ball away is totally beyond me, not chasing after it at all ffs!

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 12:49 PM

I'm not normally this negative, but there's no way the Boks will win this....playing this kinda rugby

dal2000

23-07-2011, 12:50 PM

This is definitely not the best Second string side we have.

MickeyD

23-07-2011, 12:51 PM

I'm not normally this negative, but there's no way the Boks will win this....playing this kinda rugby
Game's not over until the final whistle.

techead

23-07-2011, 12:51 PM

I'm not normally this negative, but there's no way the Boks will win this....playing this kinda rugby

Neither am I, I'm realistic :)

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 12:52 PM

And Steggman is a value to us why again?

dal2000

23-07-2011, 12:56 PM

And Steggman is a value to us why again?

Dude if we don't get a decent coach, our team will always be rubbish. What value is PDV? The players don't select themselves...

CHURCHILL

23-07-2011, 12:57 PM

And Steggman is a value to us why again?

The only time I heard or seen Steggman today, was on the team sheets before kickoff, oh yes and once when he was under his own goal posts drinking some water.

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 12:59 PM

I hope somebody says something positive in the changeroom.

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 01:02 PM

I hope somebody says something positive in the changeroom.

"Guys, it's a beautiful sunny day. Go out there and enjoy yourselves. It's not about winning, it's about enjoying yourselves"

sand_man

23-07-2011, 01:02 PM

Horrible 1st half, way too much kicking, way too many silly mistakes.. Lost lineout Smit to Hargreaves on 18minutes, Danie knock at 20 after promising build up, Smit passes ball toOrwell at 22 after another promising build up, Hargreaves side entry penalty at 33 after promising build up with Boks strong on attack, Smit knocks on flip pass from Ruan at 37 ending a promising attack with Boks inside OZ 22...

Wynand trying hard but off of his depth. Danie too slow for 7, Stegmann to short for 6, Johnson Ashley trying hard but no cohesion in the loose. Tight 5 unimposing. Werner, Greyling trying hard but out of their depth. Back 3 Basson, Aplon, Lwazi trying hard but out of their depth...

Plethora of errors from both sides tbo...

sand_man

23-07-2011, 01:04 PM

Dude if we don't get a decent coach, our team will always be rubbish. What value is PDV? The players don't select themselves...

Way worse than that. There is an unhealthy culture of 10 man kicking rugby in SA rugby. We need to develop the skill set associated with running rugby, in tune and in line with how the game is played in the southern hemisphere..

dal2000

23-07-2011, 01:04 PM

dal2000

23-07-2011, 01:09 PM

**** this ****... don't think iv'e ever been so angry watching a rugby game..

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 01:09 PM

Jeez. This is dire.

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 01:11 PM

Game over!!!!!!

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 01:11 PM

"Guys, it's a beautiful sunny day. Go out there and enjoy yourselves. It's not about winning, it's about enjoying yourselves"

LOL.

sand_man

23-07-2011, 01:12 PM

B team performance

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 01:12 PM

Game over!!!!!!

No, we can still pull it back but it's going to take a major change out in the field.

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 01:14 PM

Somebody forgot to tell the Bokke that this is actually a rugby game not a kitchen tea party.

techead

23-07-2011, 01:15 PM

Screw this I'm gonna go play Borderlands lol :D

sand_man

23-07-2011, 01:15 PM

BS penalty for collapsing the maul at the lineout and try time.

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 01:15 PM

Again I'm not negative...but if anyone would like to mention the "fat lady singing", I think she's warming up!

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 01:15 PM

Anyone for a wager that the Aussies are going to put 50 points on the board?

sand_man

23-07-2011, 01:16 PM

Pick 3 donkey loose forwards and you going to miss lots of tackles.. You got to get to the player to tackle him..

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 01:16 PM

No, we can still pull it back but it's going to take a major change out in the field.

Sure. [SARCASM]

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 01:17 PM

I'm not even serious about this game anymore, I'm laughing my @ss off.

I know what this is...this is "standup comedy" in a sporty way

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 01:19 PM

Sure. [SARCASM]

In my defence that was before they scored another try three minutes later.

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 01:19 PM

We have guys much better than this, for nearly every position that is failing, I really can't figure why they went with this bunch of plods ........

sand_man

23-07-2011, 01:19 PM

We have guys much better than this, for nearly every position that is failing, I really can't figure why they went with this bunch of plods ........
That's debatable

MickeyD

23-07-2011, 01:20 PM

Bloody embarrassing.

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 01:21 PM

It's all wrong!

techead

23-07-2011, 01:22 PM

Score?

sand_man

23-07-2011, 01:22 PM

Score?100-0 oz

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 01:23 PM

Steyn just gets walked over every time, lol ...... Report card - Half the team 1/10 and the other half 0/10

MickeyD

23-07-2011, 01:23 PM

Score?
6-39

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 01:24 PM

We have guys much better than this, for nearly every position that is failing, I really can't figure why they went with this bunch of plods ........

Nobody on this team has done anything on the field today to justify calling themselves Springboks.

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 01:24 PM

In my defence that was before they scored another try three minutes later.

;)

Anyway, the Bokke can't expect to play rugby if they don't have the ball. Seems every time they get any possession they kindly give it up to the Auzzies through the kick or knock.

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 01:25 PM

Score?

39-6

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 01:26 PM

I'm not watching anymore, can't bear to. Although I can hear the pain infliction from a far

dal2000

23-07-2011, 01:26 PM

Keep bringing the Sharks on...seems like they're the only ones with brains out there.

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 01:27 PM

What was that I've heard? A Bok try? Chillieboy? Well I never

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 01:31 PM

The replacements are looking a little less sh-it.

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 01:37 PM

Yeah, let's just keep kicking the ball away, that's working so well for us. Idiots.

Korn1

23-07-2011, 01:52 PM

dal2000

23-07-2011, 01:52 PM

Worst international rugby match ever. Looked like Australia VS Japan.

Ronjay

23-07-2011, 02:16 PM

Worst international rugby match ever. Looked like Australia VS Japan.

Japan would have at least tried to run with the ball.

The Voice

23-07-2011, 02:23 PM

What a *** start. We got klapped! Snor needs to GO!

dal2000

23-07-2011, 02:34 PM

What a *** start. We got klapped! Snor needs to GO!

I fear they will replace him with someone worse. This racism **** is screwing up rugby.

sand_man

23-07-2011, 04:06 PM

15-6 at halftime and 39-20 at full time. At least we were consistent...

To be fair this was a performance fitting of our 2nd string side. Had OZ beaten Samoa last weekend, as they should have, we would not have been lulled into believing we had a better than 30% chance of winning today's game.

I personally was expecting it to be a lot closer and generally we played poorly. I don't think anyone can walk away from today's game and say, "my reputation was enhanced by my performance and I deserve to be in the 1st XV"...

From the tight 5 to the loose trio to the centres.... well below par...

The players that were about par, Ruan, Kanko, Lwazi, Chilly Boy. Bok man of the match Gio Aplon. Disappointments of the day John Smit and Wynand Olivier followed closely by Stegmann and Ashley Johnson...

And finally the kick and pray approach is just no way to play the game in the 21st century. Rather concede the turnover at the breakdowns. At least you got better than a 50/50 chance of winning the ball back...

Anyway....

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 04:13 PM

sand_man

23-07-2011, 04:16 PM

Can someone tell me what Bjorn Basson is doing in a Springbok jearsey? He barely deserves to be in a provincial one.

Finally, it's too late for John Smit to retire with any form of dignity, can't he just step down now? Agree about Smit, he is aging badly but Basson is worthy of his selection... for now... He was top try scorer by a country mile in last years CC and deserves his opportunity. He is probably the most clinical finisher in SA rugby at the moment and a wings primary function is finishing. Unfortunately he's not being provided with any opportunities.

I would say his defense is a little fragile but again when your flanks aren't making crucial tackles around the fringes the pressure is transferred down the back line culminating in the wings...

Jase

23-07-2011, 04:25 PM

I am so glad there are no Aussies currently on the site I am working at. The ridicule would have been almost too much to bare! /emo off

Mephisto_Helix

23-07-2011, 04:44 PM

Man of the Match Aplon? Uhm, can I get some of those hardcore mushrooms you seem to be on bro?

Farkin hell, he failed dismally today, just like all the other days ........

dal2000

23-07-2011, 05:31 PM

Agree about Smit, he is aging badly but Basson is worthy of his selection... for now... He was top try scorer by a country mile in last years CC and deserves his opportunity. He is probably the most clinical finisher in SA rugby at the moment and a wings primary function is finishing. Unfortunately he's not being provided with any opportunities.

I would say his defense is a little fragile but again when your flanks aren't making crucial tackles around the fringes the pressure is transferred down the back line culminating in the wings...

Dude just because he's the top try scorer, it doesn't mean Basson is a bloody international test player! Why do so many people want this guy in the team when he's so poor on defence and literally contributes nothing. He plays the game on luck, hoping to catch that up and under if it falls right. Basson is NOT a test player. He belongs in the curry cup! In test rugby you need the best of the best. Basson is hardly good enough, they man handle him all over the park.

Aplon is another one that IS NOT a test player and doesn't contribute enough. There really are much better players in our country. This team was a big fat useless farce.

sand_man

23-07-2011, 05:56 PM

Dude just because he's the top try scorer, it doesn't mean Basson is a bloody international test player! Why do so many people want this guy in the team when he's so poor on defence and literally contributes nothing. He plays the game on luck, hoping to catch that up and under if it falls right. Basson is NOT a test player. He belongs in the curry cup! In test rugby you need the best of the best. Basson is hardly good enough, they man handle him all over the park.

Aplon is another one that IS NOT a test player and doesn't contribute enough. There really are much better players in our country. This team was a big fat useless farce.

mmmm have to disagree. I think when you score more tries than any other player in the history of the Currie Cup in a single season and you do it playing for one of the less reputable teams, Griquas, you've done more then enough to suggest you worthy of higher honours. I don't see how after 4 test caps you can conclude that Basson isn't worthy...??

As for Gio Aplon he is the most dynamic player in the Springbok back line, whether it's the A team or the B team. Not only is he devastating on attack but he tackles like a man twice his size.

You show me a player in SA rugby that can score tries like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bsObKIKNIg&feature=related) and I'll gladly concede...

elysian

23-07-2011, 06:37 PM

Man of the Match Aplon? Uhm, can I get some of those hardcore mushrooms you seem to be on bro?

Farkin hell, he failed dismally today, just like all the other days ........

He was my bok man of the match too. Where did he fail dismally? I have recorded the game and will re-watch the incidents you are about to tell me. The only slip up I can recall is when he missed the tackle on Ioane, when he jinked at full pace. Incidentally he was the only SA player to lay a hand on an Aussie in that move. Enlighten us.

dal2000

23-07-2011, 06:53 PM

mmmm have to disagree. I think when you score more tries than any other player in the history of the Currie Cup in a single season and you do it playing for one of the less reputable teams, Griquas, you've done more then enough to suggest you worthy of higher honours. I don't see how after 4 test caps you can conclude that Basson isn't worthy...??

As for Gio Aplon he is the most dynamic player in the Springbok back line, whether it's the A team or the B team. Not only is he devastating on attack but he tackles like a man twice his size.

You show me a player in SA rugby that can score tries like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bsObKIKNIg&feature=related) and I'll gladly concede...

Still does not mean he is test quality. It's how they perform at test level which matters, and quite honestly so far he hasn't at all.

sand_man

23-07-2011, 07:01 PM

Still does not mean he is test quality. It's how they perform at test level which matters, and quite honestly so far he hasn't at all.

Debatable. Boks in general haven't performed since the lions and tri nations victories of 2009. That's the reality but the claim that it is because we have a whole host of better players sitting at home is nonsense. We simply not as good as we would like to believe.

BobsLawnService

23-07-2011, 07:27 PM

An average wing is a good finisher. A world class wing creates try opportunities. Look at the Aussie wings today.

sand_man

23-07-2011, 07:59 PM

An average wing is a good finisher. A world class wing creates try opportunities. Look at the Aussie wings today.

Didn't think the Ozzie wings are all that special today but okay. Digby's blind side try had a lot to do with Genias brilliance and our inept blindside flanker and o Connors was made by Cooper...

Ekstasis

23-07-2011, 08:12 PM

the Aussie backs run from deep (more space & build up speed). This ensures that they can run through tackles easier and create opportunities. The Boks on the other hand, well.... don't think they'll ever change this predictable flat running style...... hence ,missed tackles: Aus 12 SA 28

killadoob

24-07-2011, 08:42 AM

Well even our best team has not won since 1993, shocking performance but expected i guess.

NZ are gonna klap us something disgusting next week. If you look how easily they broke us down the all blacks will run riot.

AutoX

24-07-2011, 09:08 AM

Wall

24-07-2011, 09:44 AM

shocking performance. too many missed tackles, no pace,creativity. typical 10 man rugby. we need to utilize our backs much more.

BobsLawnService

24-07-2011, 09:45 AM

As long as we're whining like jet engines - Is anyone concerned about your lack of basic skills? We pass at the man when he is running instead of in front of him so he needs to stop to catch it, we pass high instead of to the breadbasket, not ptotecting the ball in the tackle, highschool stuff like that.

dadiggle

24-07-2011, 10:31 AM

what you expect with a coach who been running on jake whites foundation. Foundation gone team plays like **** SURPRISE!

Cam

24-07-2011, 04:33 PM

My dad and I had a good father and son bondage session laughing at Morne Steyn trying to tackle.

Sting

24-07-2011, 04:41 PM

Los my Bokkies; hulle gaan volgende naweek wen. :)

Sting

24-07-2011, 04:43 PM

And they will win the RWC this year ;)

iCare

24-07-2011, 08:24 PM

I managed to watch until about 55minutes, then couldn't take it any longer. question is do I bother watching the kiwi game. Thinking of digging a few holes in the garden and then just covering them up again, just seems more worthy of my time

APoc184

24-07-2011, 08:33 PM

APoc184

24-07-2011, 08:34 PM

That being said I will still be supporting them. Bokke for life!

iCare

24-07-2011, 08:46 PM

Too true, I will always support them even until that bok emblem is moved to the inside of their socks, I'd hate to be captain right now.

sand_man

24-07-2011, 08:59 PM

I was lucky enough to miss the game as I covered a school match.

From the highlights I did see it seemed like our defense was non-existant.

If that does not receive drastic attention and the Boks don't have a serious change of attitude, New Zealand will put 50 past us.

I think we will fair better against the All Blacks quite frankly. They play a similar style of hard, confrontational, direct rugby where the Ozzies always seem to out think us with their tactically astute approach.

We lost just about every one of our line outs and were out scrummed, conceded the ball on the ground and made way too many handling errors.

Defensive patterns were nowhere but partially to be expected with all the new and unfamiliar combinations although ironically the most susceptible channel was between 10 and 12 and they have played together for many seasons.

Loose forwards were MIA, Johnson, as good as he is at provincial level was totally out of his depth in this company, Danie too slow for flank although he tried like a titan for the full 80 and Stegman??? Well, were Johnson's selection is merited on the back of a solid Super 15 season, Stegman must have got the nod cause he looks a little like Brussouw and is built a bit like him, went to the same High school etc but that's were the similarities end. For the sake of continuity move Danie back to lock to cover for the injured Flip and get the Sharks loose trio of Kanko, Alberts and Daniel into the starting XV.

I doubt there will be wholesale changes, there's no point but a little tweaking here and there and we should at least be competitive.

Thing is, we were bad but there were also periods where we were pretty good. We had our fair share of possession but chose to squander it and then OZ just blitzed past our non existent defenders and in the space of 5 minutes we were 12-0 down. 15-6 at halftime and the result was hardly a forgone conclusion. Conceding a try early in the 2nd half was the deal breaker though...

Anyway more lessons being learnt. PDV may be a clown but by the end of his career he will have a masters degree in humiliation.

Killer

24-07-2011, 09:29 PM

SA need to really up their game for the next game.

iCare

24-07-2011, 09:36 PM

move Danie back to lock to cover for the injured Flip and get the Sharks loose trio of Kanko, Alberts and Daniel into the starting XV.
I like this option, just hope the coach uses his head and think's the same way

APoc184

24-07-2011, 09:41 PM

I'm hoping for one thing and one thing only.

Brussow fit and ready to go. He has the power to single-handedly disrupt another team's whole gameplan.

killadoob

24-07-2011, 09:51 PM

I'm hoping for one thing and one thing only.

Brussow fit and ready to go. He has the power to single-handedly disrupt another team's whole gameplan.

The problem with the all blacks is they like to run, if you cannot defend and make tackles brussow won't help much. We need to have good defense and make our tackles. Could easily become our heaviest defeat ever against anyone.

What is that record? What is our worst defeat?

Devill

25-07-2011, 12:13 PM

Aussies are giving us a rugby lesson out there. Why do we look like we are so slow out there?

Yes, just bash it up the middle until you lose it.

We did not do the basics of the 10-man rugby plan we were following, which is protecting the ball.

What's even more mind boggling is guys like Keegan Daniels sits at home and kanko sits on the bench with Lambie.

Kanko is not great imo. But I agree with Lambie bringing a more fluid running style to the backline. I also think that Daniels was very unlucky to not have made the cut.

Ffs, please pass the farking ball olivier, seriously

Like I stated, he can not offload. He, more than once, drew both their centres but then failed to offload. That is just not good enough.

M_H will you please post your team that you would like to see out there as you said there are much better guys at home more than twice. I would like to hear your opinion and see if some of your thoughts are the same as mine.

Devill

25-07-2011, 12:23 PM

The problem with the all blacks is they like to run, if you cannot defend and make tackles brussow won't help much. We need to have good defense and make our tackles. Could easily become our heaviest defeat ever against anyone.

What is that record? What is our worst defeat?

South Africa vs England 53–3 (2002)

DJ...

25-07-2011, 12:26 PM

The problem with the all blacks is they like to run, if you cannot defend and make tackles brussow won't help much.

Saturday's encounter was lost at the breakdown, which should never be happening against the Aussies and yes, of course the atrocious defence we attempted to muster. Brussow will make a big difference if he can bring his A-game to the field like he used to before the injuries. The defence on the other hand looked like schoolboy rugby and really and truly is a case of just getting the basics right...

hungrybeaver

25-07-2011, 12:28 PM

Bad, bad game. So frustrating to watch us play like no one knew what was going on. Our forwards lacked cohesion and the props were caught out twice on the wing against the Aussie backs and couldn't do a thing. Olivier needs to be removed from the Bok team. He NEVER passes the ball and always goes crash. FFS our backs were not used at all. The Aussies found a weak spot in the 9,10,12 area and used to to great effect. Pienaar is far to slow at distribution (wth does he wait for??) and passes to the wrong person time and time again, and Steyn's only option is to either kick or pass to Olivier, who goes crash ball. Basson is non-existent in defence. We are playing rugby that simply cannot stand up to other nations.

I laugh at how some of you think NZ will be a different game. How long do our coaches and supporters think we can continue playing crash ball rugby? We are such predictable team its not even funny. Between 9 and 10 there are like 4 forwards every damn ruck waiting to carry the ball forward and the Aussies just have to tackle because we don't run off the player like other nations. Then when the ball finally reaches the backs we have no space to run because the Aussies spread out. When the subs came on there was a change which was nice. Whether you agree with me or not, it is evident that Kanko and Lambie brought change to our play for the good. It was the first time that I saw the Aussies weren't sure what we would do with the ball. It seems the starting players all lack creativity and Steyn definitely needs a creative inside centre. I can't help but feel that the team could have had 3 pivotal changes to the starting line up that would've given a different result.

If you look at the Aussies at the ruck, Ginea gets the ball and within 5 passes its in the wings hands. With us, 5 passes after the ruck we've gone back 2m and the ball has stayed with the forwards.

Its time the coaching staff swallow their pride and make changes at half time if players are not performing. Start Mcloud. Start with a different inside centre (one that can tackle) and hell, even change the flyhalf. I promise you the All Blacks will run directly at our 9, 10 & 12 and if we do not make changes at those critical positions I fear a scoring record will be broken. Leaving under-performing players on the field that are crucial to ball distribution is simply not the way to go if we expect to be competitive.

Devill

25-07-2011, 12:47 PM

Its time the coaching staff swallow their pride and make changes at half time if players are not performing. Start Mcloud. Start with a different inside centre (one that can tackle) and hell, even change the flyhalf. I promise you the All Blacks will run directly at our 9, 10 & 12 and if we do not make changes at those critical positions I fear a scoring record will be broken. Leaving under-performing players on the field that are crucial to ball distribution is simply not the way to go if we expect to be competitive.

No thank you. I would rather have chilliboy in at scrumhalf. pienaar was bad but what I have seen of Mcloud, he will not perform better.
I agree with the Lambie / Steyn switch. I would also like to see John smit not in the starting lineup. He missed two crucial tackles on saturday and he was not making ANY impact in the loose :(

As much as it pains me to say I would rather have adi jocobs on than Olivier...

I would not be surprised if we perform better against the ABs. On saturday you could see the combinations were untried. Yes we also had one of the worste days on defence possible and the wings did not see the ball much, but there were some positives.

1) Scrums were really not bad if you think that we had two props that have not had much test rugby between them and that the rest of the forwards barring Danie and John were all youngsters.
2) Lambie showed that he can be a general and that there is an alternative to steyn.
3) There were moments of good play that should have been converted into points if not for a couple of basic mistakes.
4) A team with their backs against the wall with very little to lose is a beast of a different colour / creed / make-up. Hopefully this brings out the best in the boks.

APoc184

25-07-2011, 12:52 PM

Devill

25-07-2011, 12:59 PM

If we are going to tackle like that we might as well fly Sarel Pretorius(who according to the selectors: "Was found wanting on defense") over there and at least have some type of exciting play in the backline.

I just checked highlights again and our defensive structures were nowhere from what I saw. The players seemed to panic each time the Ozzies broke the line or spread it wide.

No orginized cover defence while using an almost rush defence style is going to get you a spanking from a team like Aus atm...

I really hope Lambie starts this coming saturday. Also it would be great to see Brussouw fit and ready... although I doubt he will be.

Ps Haha I agree with the comment about Sarel Pretorius. Think of what he and lambie could do between the to of them if both fire on the day :D

waynegohl

25-07-2011, 01:02 PM

Mephisto_Helix

25-07-2011, 01:03 PM

Devill - soz, just saw your post now.

Seeing as I'm not really in 'rugby mode' anymore (where I know the names of players from all our teams) I can't really comment much name wise who would be more suitable. From my team, the Sharks, I would say:

Burden instead of Smit
Keegan instead of Steggman
Lambie instead of Steyn

Likewise for the other provinces, there are better 'fringe' players than what we are playing with now. Bulls and Province have some liteys that could have gone on this tour. I mean, if it's not really for anything, why not give them a go at it, right.

Devill

25-07-2011, 01:15 PM

I had no idea that there were any Springbok games being played as I don't watch tv much or listen to the local radio stations so I missed the weekends game. Is next weeks game being showed on any of the SABC channels?.

No idea about tv, but I am sure RSG or someone will broadcast it on radio :)

Devill - soz, just saw your post now.

Seeing as I'm not really in 'rugby mode' anymore (where I know the names of players from all our teams) I can't really comment much name wise who would be more suitable. From my team, the Sharks, I would say:

Burden instead of Smit
Keegan instead of Steggman
Lambie instead of Steyn

Likewise for the other provinces, there are better 'fringe' players than what we are playing with now. Bulls and Province have some liteys that could have gone on this tour. I mean, if it's not really for anything, why not give them a go at it, right.

Jip also feel like they have overlooked a couple of possible future "giants" for this tour.
But another lesson that we learned from Saturday's game was that experience change a lot of things.

waynegohl

25-07-2011, 01:16 PM

Thanks Devill.

DJ...

25-07-2011, 02:59 PM

But another lesson that we learned from Saturday's game was that experience change a lot of things.

Yeah, just look at John Smit...:p

John is looking dreadful and I cringe at the thought of him being our first choice front-rower at either hooker or prop. Francois Pienaar is also very experienced. Heck, let's see what he's up to over September...:D

Devill

25-07-2011, 03:20 PM

Yeah, just look at John Smit...:p

John is looking dreadful and I cringe at the thought of him being our first choice front-rower at either hooker or prop. Francois Pienaar is also very experienced. Heck, let's see what he's up to over September...:D

Haha you know what I mean. :p

If we had Juan Smith, Victor Matfield (Neither of which will be "the best" in their position) etc etc there the aussies would not have trampled us. Also why the fsck we did not kick for a better position from one or two of the penalties in our favour is beyond me.

not the biggest Bismarck fan but he is a good player and should bring a lot more to the game than John.

GreGorGy

26-07-2011, 03:29 PM

Looks like they are gonna give that poofter (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/352794-Article-Durban-is-the-gayest-city-gay-group?p=6544102#post6544102) lambie a start.

(ONLY JOKING M_H - just thought I'd rattle a cage or two)

Devill

26-07-2011, 07:39 PM

killadoob

26-07-2011, 07:49 PM

You would swear the poofter was morne who looked like he may break a nail if he tried too hard :eek:

DJ...

27-07-2011, 12:38 AM

Morne Steyn's defensive game makes me think that he was trained by Naas Botha himself...

killadoob

27-07-2011, 07:01 AM

Morne Steyn's defensive game makes me think that he was trained by Naas Botha himself...

We need to find a dan carter :D, do we have anybody who could fill dan carters shoes?

Devill

27-07-2011, 11:05 AM

Morne Steyn's defensive game makes me think that he was trained by Naas Botha himself...

And that is what I can not understand. He started as an inside centre. He use to be a physical player that did well on attack and very well on defense... no idea what happened.

We need to find a dan carter :D, do we have anybody who could fill dan carters shoes?

My hope was on Frans Steyn to be a bigger, stronger Carter, but in keeping with SA tradition we made a royal balls-up of that...

Now I am hoping that Lambie will step up to be one of the few SA, "complete", flyhalves.

DJ...

27-07-2011, 11:19 AM

Devill

27-07-2011, 11:55 AM

We're just a few months from RWC 2011 and still some of the top/most experienced South African players do not know their positions in the team or whether they will even play a role at all. Lambie, Frans Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Kankowski, John Smit, Bismarck etc. It's not like these players are new to the coaches ffs. This imo is our biggest problem - PdV has no balls to make a decision and stick with it. Our backline is still a cock up and will continue to be so until we have a fluid group of players who are confident in their positions and know each other's games well. The same applies in the forwards pack where there has been little to no thought put into selection imo - it's more of a "hit-and-hope" strategy.

The one interesting thing is that the players being given the run-around in the Bok camp are all Sharks players. Now I don't mean to start a tin-foil hat chat here, but it just strikes me as odd that the other franchises, when selected, seem to be assigned a position and a role and are told to stick with it. Sharks selections though seem to be more of a lucky-packet selection on the day as to where they will play...

Lol, it might be because the sharks love moving their players around so much?

Lambie: I don't think he was part of the WC plans last year but with an impressive season this year he could not be ignored.
Bismarck: Feel sorry for him because he is better than Smith but Smith is the Captain by default :( Same can be said for Adriaan strauss....
Kanko: He might have been a bit "loose" for the Bok strategy at the RWC
Frans Steyn: Issues between him and snorre, also he has regressed into a snail-paced northen Hem. player.
Raun Pienaar: Feel sorry for him because he could have been the next Fourie. Now SA rugby screwed him around and it cost him 2 years of experience as a scrummie. Now Hougaard has stepped up and if you have to ask me I would take Hougaard anyday over RP.

I feel that you should pick your 15 best players and then from them pick your captain.....

DJ...

27-07-2011, 12:11 PM

Lol, it might be because the sharks love moving their players around so much?

Which is precisely what should happen at provincial level. At a national level though, not so much. Experimenting at provincial level gives the national selectors better perspective but continuing that trend at a national level is just plain absurd. I've had no problems with a little experimentation up until now considering it was needed, however right now we should be creating a team structure to work around, not a lucky-packet team. By now this should have been in place.

I disagree regarding Kankowski though. Your 8th man should be a loose player through and through. He is very good at the breakdowns and secures turnovers around the fringes while still being an extremely agile yet hard-hitting runner of the ball...

Devill

27-07-2011, 12:28 PM

Which is precisely what should happen at provincial level. At a national level though, not so much. Experimenting at provincial level gives the national selectors better perspective but continuing that trend at a national level is just plain absurd. I've had no problems with a little experimentation up until now considering it was needed, however right now we should be creating a team structure to work around, not a lucky-packet team. By now this should have been in place.

I disagree regarding Kankowski though. Your 8th man should be a loose player through and through. He is very good at the breakdowns and secures turnovers around the fringes while still being an extremely agile yet hard-hitting runner of the ball...

See the problem is if you can't find a position in provincial rugby that you stick to at least 80% of the time how will you gain the experience of players that specialise in that position on provincial level?
Danie Russouw could have been a brilliant lock / 8thman/flank BUT becuase he was rotated between these three positions he would never unseat even a green horn like Andries Bekker a couple of years ago.

As for Kanko, I have no problem with his style but the sad fact is if you do not play the type of rugby the snorre wants you to play you should not be expecting a lot of game time :(

Read this article: http://www.springbokrugbyblog.com/2011/07/18/kanko%E2%80%99s-killing-his-own-cause/

His limitations have been illuminated with the emergence of Willem Alberts and Duane Vermeulen. The duo cannot match Kankowski’s potency when a game opens up, but in an era where elite teams are very well organised defensively, Kankowski has struggled to impose himself consistently. He has done little to shatter the perception that he is a one trick pony.

Yes in saturday's game he again looked better than Johnson because the game was open and lets face it the Aussies were not giving us the best defensive display ever. I like Kanko but in TEST rugby players like him tend to not feature because they play a looser game and like said in the above article the defense is just a step beyond.

Stevie G

27-07-2011, 03:23 PM

Lol, it might be because the sharks love moving their players around so much?

Lambie: I don't think he was part of the WC plans last year but with an impressive season this year he could not be ignored. Rubbish
Bismarck: Feel sorry for him because he is better than Smith but Smith is the Captain by default :( Same can be said for Adriaan strauss.... Best Hooker
Kanko: He might have been a bit "loose" for the Bok strategy at the RWC Rubbish
Frans Steyn: Issues between him and snorre, also he has regressed into a snail-paced northen Hem. player. Rubbish
Raun Pienaar: Feel sorry for him because he could have been the next Fourie. Now SA rugby screwed him around and it cost him 2 years of experience as a scrummie. Now Hougaard has stepped up and if you have to ask me I would take Hougaard anyday over RP. Rubbish

I feel that you should pick your 15 best players and then from them pick your captain.....

Looks like snorre is picking his team via a lotto lucky draw. spin the wheel and lets see who's name it will fall on. we know who is the best in our 1st eleven. stop faking around with certain positions. the current team in new zealand is a buch of rubbish players. surely there is better players at home then that.

DJ...

27-07-2011, 03:35 PM

we know who is the best in our 1st eleven.

I don't care how good we might be, I refuse to allow us to play 4 men down...:p

sand_man

27-07-2011, 03:56 PM

Yes in saturday's game he again looked better than Johnson because the game was open and lets face it the Aussies were not giving us the best defensive display ever. I like Kanko but in TEST rugby players like him tend to not feature because they play a looser game and like said in the above article the defense is just a step beyond.

The game became open in the last 20 minutes were the result was more or less beyond reproach. Both sides brought on subs and the sting and bite had effectively gone out of the contest... 1st 60 minutes SA were tackled into submission.

sand_man

27-07-2011, 04:04 PM

A lot has been said here about all the talent sitting at home but I'm not convinced... we not as good as we think we are and that's the bottomline... PDV may be a clown but he is 1 of a number of bok selectors and coaching staff.

Devill

27-07-2011, 04:06 PM

Looks like snorre is picking his team via a lotto lucky draw. spin the wheel and lets see who's name it will fall on. we know who is the best in our 1st eleven. stop faking around with certain positions. the current team in new zealand is a buch of rubbish players. surely there is better players at home then that.

:erm: Could your brain come up with something a tad better than "Rubbish, Rubbish, Rubbish....."?

Are you saying my comments are rubbish or are you stating the players are rubbish or are you saying you smoke rubbish?

hungrybeaver

28-07-2011, 08:04 AM

:erm: Could your brain come up with something a tad better than "Rubbish, Rubbish, Rubbish....."?

Are you saying my comments are rubbish or are you stating the players are rubbish or are you saying you smoke rubbish?

I think the players.. StevieG will say there should be more WP players.

We need to get behind the group of players that have been selected... there is no use in complaining about who should've been there and who shouldn't of, and no use in complaining about PdV. I'm sure all of us would have chosen different players (and coaching staff) but there is nothing we can do (short of terrorism) that will change this fact. Here is the team for Saturday:

Starting

15. Patrick Lambie
14. Bjorn Basson
13. Adi Jacobs
12. Juan de Jongh
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Morne Steyn
9. Ruan Pienaar
8. Danie Rossouw
7. Jean Deysel
6. Deon Stegmann
5. Alistair Hargreaves
4. Gerhard Mostert
3. Werner Kruger
2. John Smit (captain)
1. Dean Greyling

REPLACEMENTS
16. Chiliboy Ralepelle
17. CJ van der Linde
18. Ryan Kankowski
19. Ashley Johnson
20. Charl McLeod
21. Wynand Olivier
22. Odwa Ndungane

Lots of changes! Lambie coming into the line from fullback will add oomf to the backline and should create space for the wingers. The new lock pairing will be something to keep an eye on!

GreGorGy

28-07-2011, 08:09 AM

I think the players.. StevieG will say there should be more WP players.

We need to get behind the group of players that have been selected...

Agreed 100%. I am of the opinion that something sinister is afoot in terms of the RWC. Many people are. How deep it runs though is not yet known, but I for one would not be surprised if the Powers That Be are dangling a bit fat red herring in front of NZ and Oz.

killadoob

28-07-2011, 08:10 AM

GreGorGy

28-07-2011, 10:18 AM

Doubtful dude, we have been on the decline since pvd took over :D

Since PDV (not vd) took over:

Won B&I Lions;
Won a TN (not worse than predecessors);
Made the media shi[-]f[/-]t itself.

sand_man

28-07-2011, 10:24 AM

Doubtful dude, we have been on the decline since pvd took over :D

South African rugby has been on the decline. I don't think PDV deserves all the credit. In order for him to f uck up the Springboks he would have to be actively involved in coaching them and I don't think he is.

Last 4 U20 world cups we've managed not better than 3rd place.

There isn't the depth everyone thinks there is.

Our 1st XV are world beaters but unfortunately most nations seldom field their 1st choices owing to injuries. We have 24 front line players "injured". Personally I don't care what they doing as long as they not playing more rugby. World cup is what matters, the rest is about money.

I was looking at the starting back line for Saturday and thinking, wow, looks good. When one gets excited about Adi Jacobs making the starting line up you know something is seriously wrong with our rugby. Wynand was shocking last week and that's the reality. We choose a player and drop him a week later cause he was shocking and not because we have a replacement centre who is playing better and deserves to be picked. Wynand was crap, give Adi a chance and hope he does better.

Then the loose forwards, big strong loose trio but too slow!! We are going to get hammered at the breakdowns again, we going to miss tackles around the fringes again and we not going to make many turnovers...

And if last weeks tight 5 were green these guys haven't been planted yet...

All in all pretty bleak. Thankfully the AB are also resting 4 or 5 1st choice players...

sand_man

28-07-2011, 10:40 AM

Agreed 100%. I am of the opinion that something sinister is afoot in terms of the RWC. Many people are. How deep it runs though is not yet known, but I for one would not be surprised if the Powers That Be are dangling a bit fat red herring in front of NZ and Oz.

What do you mean?

Not sure I understand your post...

The monetary incentives offered to the players of NZ and/or OZ and/or SA to win the world cup will be MASSIVE!!!!

But that's not what you saying is it??

In 1995 Laurie Mains AB's purposely had a very mediocre build up to RWC 95 in the hopes that it would lull the opposition into complacency and for the most part it was immaterial cause the AB's destroyed all and sundry except the Boks in the final!!!!

I'm quite happy to concede and accept that PDV is going for a low key build up where we get humiliated in the tri-nations and written off for the world cup only to bounce back with a rejuvenated and refreshed 1st XV.

Will we win the world cup?? Not impossible but highly unlikely. We destined to meet the AB's in the semi's and once there anything can happen. The ball aint round!!!!!

killadoob

28-07-2011, 11:01 AM

Since PDV (not vd) took over:

Won B&I Lions;
Won a TN (not worse than predecessors);
Made the media shi[-]f[/-]t itself.

We won the tri nations on the back of a world cup winning squad, any fool could have sent out the same players that won the world cup.

Beat the british lions? Wow amazing. Beats the world cup and tri nations on scale

Devill

28-07-2011, 11:20 AM

I think the players.. StevieG will say there should be more WP players.

We need to get behind the group of players that have been selected... there is no use in complaining about who should've been there and who shouldn't of, and no use in complaining about PdV. I'm sure all of us would have chosen different players (and coaching staff) but there is nothing we can do (short of terrorism) that will change this fact. Here is the team for Saturday:

Starting

15. Patrick Lambie
14. Bjorn Basson
13. Adi Jacobs
12. Juan de Jongh
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Morne Steyn
9. Ruan Pienaar
8. Danie Rossouw
7. Jean Deysel
6. Deon Stegmann
5. Alistair Hargreaves
4. Gerhard Mostert
3. Werner Kruger
2. John Smit (captain)
1. Dean Greyling

REPLACEMENTS
16. Chiliboy Ralepelle
17. CJ van der Linde
18. Ryan Kankowski
19. Ashley Johnson
20. Charl McLeod
21. Wynand Olivier
22. Odwa Ndungane

Lots of changes! Lambie coming into the line from fullback will add oomf to the backline and should create space for the wingers. The new lock pairing will be something to keep an eye on!

Would have played Kanko on flank instead of Steggies. I would also have liked to see Smith on the bench and Chilliboy start.

Is Aplon injured?

We won the tri nations on the back of a world cup winning squad, any fool could have sent out the same players that won the world cup.

Beat the british lions? Wow amazing. Beats the world cup and tri nations on scale

Actually PdV and Jake's records look very similiar. People easily forget that old iron jake also had the bok loss of 49-0 to his name. I do feel a bit edgy with PDV looking to change the defensive plays so close to the WC and it does not look like he has a plan B :(

sand_man

28-07-2011, 12:08 PM

Is Aplon injured? Yes, he come home with Flip..

Actually PdV and Jake's records look very similiar. People easily forget that old iron jake also had the bok loss of 49-0 to his name. I do feel a bit edgy with PDV looking to change the defensive plays so close to the WC and it does not look like he has a plan B :( Correct, Jake 67% win ratio to PDV's 63%... We can draw solace from the fact that this is the B team playing. Look what happened to OZZIE's B team against Samoa... If Robbie Jones can survive as OZZIE coach than so can PDV as Bok coach...

Devill

28-07-2011, 12:11 PM

Yes, he come home with Flip..

:(

Correct, Jake 67% win ratio to PDV's 63%... We can draw solace from the fact that this is the B team playing. Look what happened to OZZIE's B team against Samoa... If Robbie Jones can survive as OZZIE coach than so can PDV as Bok coach...

Isn't it Robbie Deans? :p:D

sand_man

28-07-2011, 12:13 PM

:(

Isn't it Robbie Deans? :p:D
Sorry yeah :o Always get confused, often call him Dean Jones too... :p

sand_man

28-07-2011, 12:39 PM

On the topic of depth I would love to see a list of Saffers playing abroad!!! I can tell you now we have a "Bok" team playing abroad that could probably give the current Bok 1st XV a run for their money...

Here's my exiles 15 off the top of my head. Some of these guys could be retired already though but you get the drift...

1. Brian Mujati/Eduard Coetzee/Pat Barnard
2. Schalk Britz (although he is back in the local mix)/Danie Coetzee/Van Der Merwe (Lions Hooker)/Peter Dixon. SA produce hookers and loose forwards like the swiss produce cheese...
3. BJ Botha/Cobus Visagie/faan rautenbach
4. Gerrie Britz
5.
6. Nico Breedt
7.
8. Joe Van Niekerk
9. Michael Claasens
10. Derrick Hougaard/Butch James
12. Brad Barrit/Rudi Keil/Stuart Abbot
13. Brian Liebenburg/Geoff Appleford
14. Philip Burger
15. Frans Steyn/Brent Russel
11.

GreGorGy

28-07-2011, 02:47 PM

I mean this: NZ, as pointed out, purposely looked mediocre (only to come undone in the end) in their 95 build up. I suspect we may doing the same and then some: persist with the kicking game, knowing that we can undo the also-rans with it (Namibia, Fiji) and then up our stake for Samoa and Wales. And then hit the quarters with this upped game and finally into the inevitable NZ semi with a chasing running game, meaning that arguably our strongest opposition cannot put a finger on our methods until they step up to challenge, ill-informed.

I am not saying it is a good approach (it will be an untested game plan) but it is one that can unhinge NZ, if it works. PDV is not all bad and I think a lot of the criticism levelled at him is unfair and serves no constructive purpose in the build-up. I do hate to play the race card but so many times, even here, on mention of his role people play that very card: it's all just BEE.

I find that a coward's argument: we will rather lambaste the man because we FEEL that his appointment is BEE. I won't say this feeling is wrong but I certainly cannot share it and I would rather support a team that will lose 110% because they are MY team than spend my life hating the players and the staff based on some prejudice or other.

Not that I am accusing anyone of any such prejudice: I am just asking that those who choose to criticise so passionately make sure they are doing it for the right reasons.

Laters, bators.

sand_man

28-07-2011, 02:57 PM

I agree with much of what you are saying...

PDV was set up to fail. He was always going to be on the wrong end of a hiding. Win and you inherited Whites winners, lose and it's because you a BEE coach. It's a curse inheriting a world cup winning team cause how do you improve on that?? Cannot??!!! But beating Lions and winning tri-nations was a pretty damn good effort but of course PDV doesn't get credit for that cause he inherited White's winners...

Anyway, we remain hopeful...

GreGorGy

28-07-2011, 03:12 PM

Ja - there's the other thing - this inheritance. Some have pointed out that White actually had a VERY easy WC path: England in the same group sucked, but besides that, plain sailing*.

This "inherited" group managed to be completely screwed and corrupted by PDV in 08 when his performance sucked ass. Everyone was saying "look how the BEE took a winning side and destroyed it." Then came 09 and its successes and suddenly, we're back to this "inherited" team. The PDV haters can't have it both ways, yet they insist on taking it as such.

It is a great pity that coaches will always be judged against the yardstick of their immediate predecessors, without any consideration to other facts. And White's easy ride is a fact. As is an abysmal 2008 season. No-one is left to the task at hand. And with PDV, everyone has the added factor of his race and media relationship.

*Argentina lost only one match and they were the team that impressed me the most, taking out veritable competition and giving of their best. I for one will be acquiring an Argie jersey before the world cup and supporting them as passionately as I do the Boks.

DJ...

28-07-2011, 03:14 PM

Would have played Kanko on flank instead of Steggies. I would also have liked to see Smith on the bench and Chilliboy start.

SMIT, Devill. It's Smit. Sorry I had to finally get that out of my system...:D

killadoob

28-07-2011, 03:14 PM

Dude what is this BEE thing you are on about? i thought he was a good coach until recently. BEE has nothing to do with me thinking he is poor.

We will see what is going to happen, we all knew we would get nailed now so no big deal but if we fail badly in the world cup he will be gone, whether he is white, yellow or a dark purple colour he would still be gone because he doesn't know what he is doing.

If we win the world he will be a hero hahahah :p

GreGorGy

28-07-2011, 03:23 PM

Dude what is this BEE thing you are on about? i thought he was a good coach until recently.

Careful - I said it is a prejudice that is used

Not that I am accusing anyone of any such prejudice: I am just asking that those who choose to criticise so passionately make sure they are doing it for the right reasons.

What is the reason for your change of mind? Current performance? JW was guilty of the same. Player selection? JW invented the B team.

killadoob

28-07-2011, 03:38 PM

I will reserve further judgement of him and see how we fair in the tri nations. For me and many i am sure it does not matter if we lose, it is how we lose.

Even a B team should not look like a bunch of school boys. There should be fight, organization and so on. I cannot wait for the game on Saturday even though i know we may get pomped solid. Although i cannot see how we could play worse, we got lucky we played aus first up.

Devill

28-07-2011, 03:42 PM

SMIT, Devill. It's Smit. Sorry I had to finally get that out of my system...:D

Ja, ja sorry :p John Smit and Biff Smith...

Your just grumpy cause I want to kick a shark :D

Stevie G

28-07-2011, 03:54 PM

Whats this that i want WP players in the team. that is total BS. I only want the best 2nd choices to chose on merit and not because i support WP. We played like a bunch of sissies against the ausies. we were lucky they never put the foot on the pedal and gave us a proper hiding. I think its good that we get thumped so that our coach can realise he picked a bunch of twats for the tour.

I can go on about how many sharkies are picked even though they never made the semis. we have players being played out of position and not the best in their positions.

The All Black are going to thump us on Saturday. It will be a 50+ score definately. we just don;t have the proper players there

Devill

28-07-2011, 04:10 PM

The All Black are going to thump us on Saturday. It will be a 50+ score definately. we just don;t have the proper players there

I will bet R100 we lose by less than 50.... wanna take the bet?

DJ...

28-07-2011, 04:15 PM

It will be a 50+ score definately. we just don;t have the proper players there

Not iff wees skops a fews of dem blou bulle out da squad...

Devill

28-07-2011, 04:19 PM

Not iff wees skops a fews of dem blou bulle out da squad...

Which ones would that be? I would have kicked Morne and Rugby-barbie but with Aplon out and Lambie moving into the last stand....

GreGorGy

29-07-2011, 07:38 AM

Devill

29-07-2011, 12:18 PM

The old switcharoo (http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/TriNations/Boks-switch-Lambie-and-Steyn-20110728) may well be exactly what the team needs. Out of sorts for Steyn but maybe this will produce some interesting results and I definitely think it will affect the game play and our moves forward.

This could work very well as few players around the world will win a kicking contest with steyn. I am very happy to see Lambie at 10. Lets hope he gets good delivery from pienaar and his forwards do their work well this time. Still wish Kanko would replace Steggies.... At least for the first 50 mins.

sand_man

29-07-2011, 12:24 PM

Not a fan of playing players out of position in a test match but okay, let's see how it pans out... If you suck in your preferred position how's playing out of position going to benefit you...??

sand_man

29-07-2011, 12:26 PM

If we win the world he will be a hero hahahah :p

Like Jake White was a hero after winning in 2007?? A hero and unemployed!!! Got to love how SARU manage their affairs...

The fish goes off from the head down... You want to know why SA rugby is making no progress? Look no further than SARU top management...

hungrybeaver

29-07-2011, 12:33 PM

Lambie now back at 15??

Steyn, who ran all week at fullback in training, with Patrick Lambie at flyhalf, has been given a last-minute reprieve by De Villiers, and he continues at flyhalf although Lambie will assume some of the attacking duties.

Not sure what PdV is thinking here... training him at one position and then changing it at the last minute. Maybe the switcharoo could come into effect multiple times during the game.

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/cup-competitions/steyn-s-last-shot-at-rwc-spot-1.1108368

Devill

29-07-2011, 12:34 PM

Not a fan of playing players out of position in a test match but okay, let's see how it pans out... If you suck in your preferred position how's playing out of position going to benefit you...??

Well hopefully Steyn has a tad more time in the nr 15 position. This and the fact that he knows how Carter might kick could make him very good positionally tomorrow. Well that or it could just be an utter failure :p

Like Jake White was a hero after winning in 2007?? A hero and unemployed!!! Got to love how SARU manage their affairs...

The fish goes off from the head down... You want to know why SA rugby is making no progress? Look no further than SARU top management...

I agree 100%.

I was not (I am still not) the biggest fan of Jake White BUT he should have been retained in a managerial role.

sand_man

29-07-2011, 12:38 PM

Lambie now back at 15?? I suspect when the Boks are on attack Lambie will slot in at 10 and when the Boks are on defense Steyn will kick from the flyhalf position.

Well hopefully Steyn has a tad more time in the nr 15 position. This and the fact that he knows how Carter might kick could make him very good positionally tomorrow. Well that or it could just be an utter failure :p I don't see Carter kicking much tomorrow. They going to run at us all afternoon. Brace yourself...

Devill

29-07-2011, 01:12 PM

I suspect when the Boks are on attack Lambie will slot in at 10 and when the Boks are on defense Steyn will kick from the flyhalf position.

Hope this does not confuse our already struggling defensive side even more :(

Stevie G

29-07-2011, 01:14 PM

it will look like a training match for the all blacks for the world cup. we will be embaressed as usual. will watch it tomorrow and analise our poor game plan as usual

GreGorGy

29-07-2011, 01:19 PM

This could work very well as few players around the world will win a kicking contest with steyn. I am very happy to see Lambie at 10. Lets hope he gets good delivery from pienaar and his forwards do their work well this time. Still wish Kanko would replace Steggies.... At least for the first 50 mins.

agreed!

killadoob

29-07-2011, 01:22 PM

it will look like a training match for the all blacks for the world cup. we will be embaressed as usual. will watch it tomorrow and analise our poor game plan as usual

As usual?

Stevie G

29-07-2011, 01:54 PM

watch this space

Pitbull

29-07-2011, 02:06 PM

Lambie now back at 15??

Not sure what PdV is thinking here... training him at one position and then changing it at the last minute. Maybe the switcharoo could come into effect multiple times during the game.

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/cup-competitions/steyn-s-last-shot-at-rwc-spot-1.1108368

How farking retarded.

I was so looking forward to seeing Lambie hit the All blacks from the front... Lambie has what it takes to get our Back line going. Mornè had his time :mad: