AfriForum goes to court over youth training

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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/AfriForum-goes-to-court-over-youth-training-20110801

What are they planning for? ;)

Cape Town - AfriForum Youth will bring a court application to force the department of defence, rural development and land reform, and the National Rural Youth Service Corps (Narysec) to publicise information about the youth training due to take place during this week at the Saldanha military base.

"AfriForum youth discovered that approximately 8 000 young people will receive training in the near future at military bases in, among other things, life skills and artisanship," spokesperson Charl Oberholzer said in a statement on Monday.

According to the organisers the young people would be trained in "patriotism" and "discipline", but they would not receive "military training", he said.

One group had already been trained at the De Brug military base in Bloemfontein and an intake of 1 000 young people would take place at Saldanha.

"A confidential source informed AfriForum Youth that the group which will be trained at Saldanha was recruited from the ranks of the ANC Youth League.

"However, this could not be confirmed yet," said Oberholzer.

Hostility

In 2010, the defence department announced it would start a programme called National Youth Service to train young people at military bases

Among others, the ANCYL and the Young Communist League would also have undergone training.

Using the Access to Information Act, AfriForum Youth had asked the minister of defence to answer various questions, Oberholzer said.

These included how members were recruited to take part in the training programmes, whether the individuals being training were affiliated to any political party or specific organisation, and how Narysec was composed and what was its function.

Others were on the constitutional documents or empowering legislation of this organisation, the programme content and learning material to be used for the training, and which subjects would be included in the training.

"AfriForum Youth was met with hostility when the request was submitted and no answers were provided to AfriForum Youth’s questions," said Oberholzer.

"AfriForum Youth will now continue to force abovementioned institutions, on the strength of a court order, to publicise the information as requested," he said.

The defence department had been "secretive" since the beginning.

Secrecy

"Initially it was announced that the programme will focus on the ANC Youth League and the Young Communist League, until we objected.

"It is now reported that it isn't military training, but the department of defence is still involved and the training is still taking place at military bases.

"Moreover, no invitation was sent to AfriForum Youth, despite our requests to be invited and that we even contacted the minister."

Oberholzer said AfriForum Youth had no objection against training programmes which provided young people with life skills, but a lot of unanswered questions still remained.

"The department of defence’s aggression and secrecy now compel us to force them with a court order to publicise the information.

"The possibility of further action will be considered as soon as the information, as requested, is publicised," he said.
 
So ancyl members will receive artisan training at a military base and juju is rumoured to be building an underground bunker at his new home.



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Didn't we recently have an argument with one of the pro ANC losers about ANCYL members getting military training?
 
Seems it died out with people saying the training would be ineffective, like AF's efforts into flogging this dead horse.

IMO it would be [ineffective]. Training consists of more than just aiming a weapon. Logistics, medical, leadership, teamwork, PT, etc. These take a mite longer.
 
IMO it would be [ineffective]. Training consists of more than just aiming a weapon. Logistics, medical, leadership, teamwork, PT, etc. These take a mite longer.

Ineffective or not, you can teach someone how to load a weapon, point that weapon and pull the trigger in two weeks. They are not out to preserve life in conflict (which those other pesky little things like logistics, medical, leadership are for) They could care less - it would give them a mass of bodies they can use to decimate the country should they choose to.
 
Ineffective or not, you can teach someone how to load a weapon, point that weapon and pull the trigger in two weeks. They are not out to preserve life in conflict (which those other pesky little things like logistics, medical, leadership are for) They could care less - it would give them a mass of bodies they can use to decimate the country should they choose to.

And you know this how?
 
eh? which part?

This:

They are not out to preserve life in conflict (which those other pesky little things like logistics, medical, leadership are for) They could care less - it would give them a mass of bodies they can use to decimate the country should they choose to.

Agreed on the gun part, shouldn't take that long to learn how to use one.
 
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Agreed on the gun part, shouldn't take that long to learn how to use one.

well the figure that came up as part of the discussion was around 8000 right. So imagine they wanted to go on a killing spree.... they wouldn't really need logistics just small groups of armed men causing havoc.

This isn't about a long drawn out war. This is about creating havoc (again I repeat, should they choose to) It's about giving weapons capability to those that have shown they have a pure hatred to a certain cultural/racial group....

It's like playing with matches in a fireworks factory.....
 
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That's assuming ALL of the youths are members of the ANCYL... from what I've gathered only a few are.

Incedentally, does anyone know how many members the ANCYL has in total?
 
That's assuming ALL of the youths are members of the ANCYL... from what I've gathered only a few are.

Incedentally, does anyone know how many members the ANCYL has in total?

Fair enough.

Think the last figure I saw was around 300k in one news report - but I am definitely speaking under correction.
 
4. ORGANIZATION: Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings. To combat this stage, membership in these militias should be outlawed. Their leaders should be denied visas for foreign travel. The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations, as was done in post-genocide Rwanda.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutgenocide/8stagesofgenocide.html
 
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