Shock over 'respectable' lives behind masks of UK rioters

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/11/ukriots.accused/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

London (CNN) -- Before they started appearing in court, most people assumed London's rioters and looters were unemployed youths with no hope and no future.
So there was much surprise when details of the accused began to emerge, and they included some from wealthy backgrounds or with good jobs.
Those passing through London's courtrooms on Tuesday and Wednesday -- some courts sat overnight to cope with the numbers -- have included a teaching assistant, a lifeguard, a postman, a chef, a charity worker, a millionaire's daughter and an 11-year-old boy, newspapers reported.
The tabloid Sun newspaper wrote in its opinion page on Thursday of the "sick" society described by Prime Minister David Cameron: "The sickness starts on welfare-addicted estates where feckless parents let children run wild."
But its front-page headline told a different story about the accused: "Lifeguard, postman, hairdresser, teacher, millionaire's daughter, chef and schoolboy, 11."
The Daily Mail reported: "While the trouble has been largely blamed on feral teenagers, many of those paraded before the courts yesterday led apparently respectable lives."
The upmarket Daily Telegraph devoted its page three to the case of Laura Johnson, the 19-year-old daughter of a company director who pleaded not guilty to stealing ÂŁ5,000 ($8,000) of electrical goods, under the headline: "Girl who has it all is accused of theft."
The newspaper said she lived in a converted farmhouse in the leafy London suburb of Orpington, Kent, with extensive grounds and a tennis court, had studied at one of the best-performing state schools in the country and now attends the University of Exeter.
Reporter Andrew Gilligan wrote in the Daily Telegraph: "Here in court, as David Cameron condemned the 'sickness' in parts of British society, we saw clearly, for the first time, the face of the riot: stripped of its hoods and masks, dressed in white prison T-shirts and handcuffed to burly security guards.
"It was rather different from the one we had been expecting."
He added of the defendants at Highbury Magistrates Court in north London: "Most were teenagers or in their early twenties, but a surprising number were older.
"Most interestingly of all, they were predominantly white, and many had jobs."
Most newspapers highlighted the case of Alexis Bailey, a 31-year-old learning mentor in an elementary school, who pleaded guilty to burglary with intent to steal at an electrical store in Croydon, south of London.
It was reported that Bailey surrendered to police without stealing anything.
The youngest defendant so far -- an 11-year-old boy -- also gained much attention in newspapers.
The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, from Romford, east of London, admitted stealing a ÂŁ50 ($80) trash can from a department store, the Guardian reported.
The Daily Mail highlighted the cases of Barry Naine, a 42-year-old charity worker charged with burglary; postman Jeffrey Ebanks, 32, and his student nephew Jamal Ebanks, 18, allegedly caught in a car stuffed with electrical goods near a looted Croydon store.
It also reported that Jason Matthews, a 35-year-old new father arrested in a Tesco supermarket, told police he "was not one of the bad ones" and needed diapers for his baby; and that Christopher Heart, a 23-year-old scaffolder and father of two, shouted "sorry for the inconvenience" and broke down in tears after admitting burglary at a sports shop in east London.
Lifeguard Aaron Mulholland, 30, wept as he appeared in court accused of joining thieves in a cell phone shop, the Daily Mail reported.
The Sun reported that an organic chef, Fitzroy Thomas, 43, and his 47-year-old brother Ronald, denied smashing up a branch of the Nando's chicken restaurant chain.
The Metropolitan Police in London said on its website on Thursday that 401 people have been charged so far.
Greater Manchester Police said five men aged between 46 and 23 had already been jailed for their part in the disorder.
West Midlands Police said 26 people, including a 44-year-old man, had appeared before an overnight court session in relation to the disorder in Birmingham.

There is definitely some kind of pack or herd mentality in operation behind these rioters, not to mention just people who are bored with their lives and looking for a bit of rebellion.
 
London (CNN) -- Before they started appearing in court, most people assumed London's rioters and looters were unemployed youths with no hope and no future.
So there was much surprise when details of the accused began to emerge, and they included some from wealthy backgrounds or with good jobs.

no only the dimwitted media assumed these were "unemployed youths with no hope and no future" :rolleyes:
 
What is also not being reported as much is the racial and gang element behind the riots.
The police shot dead a black man, and the gangs were going to get revenge for that.

MarkDugganShotByPoliceInTottenhamAug2011PA_large.jpg
 
What is also not being reported as much is the racial and gang element behind the riots.
The police shot dead a black man, and the gangs were going to get revenge for that.

MarkDugganShotByPoliceInTottenhamAug2011PA_large.jpg

Actually, that is being pretty extensively reported on.
 
This behaviour is a social disorder that we are going to be seeing a lot more of.
(as populations become more dense)

We now live in a world where people are prone to instant gratification and a feeling of entitlement.
These individuals really and honestly believe that the world owes them something, we are now at the stage
where our consumer and materialistic way of life has caused mounting envy, jealousy and an increase in
greed.

People want stuff, they want the latest and they want it now, they are no longer willing to sit and watch
the super wealthy parade their wealth or enjoy their wealth whilst others don't have.

In South Africa the crime/riots we see is due to greed, entitlement and mostly due to very dismal education levels
and very high unemployment and governmental inability to deliver services.
 
Actually, that is being pretty extensively reported on.

I haven't seen anything on it personally on the major news sites. They just mentioned the guy by name, but no mention of his race or gang membership.
I had to go and google his name myself to find a picture of him.
 
None of those vocations necessarily point towards them being in any way respectable...:erm:
 
What is also not being reported as much is the racial and gang element behind the riots.
The police shot dead a black man, and the gangs were going to get revenge for that.

The gang element started it all but it is not the reason for continuation of the riots. The police shot dead a known drug dealer who was carrying an illegal firearm and a peaceful protest got out of hand.
 
There's definitely a mob mentality going on here. Doesn't do much for the racists and anti-welfare cabal who were so keen to blame this on a person's skin colour and getting government support.

This behaviour is a social disorder that we are going to be seeing a lot more of.
(as populations become more dense)

We now live in a world where people are prone to instant gratification and a feeling of entitlement.
These individuals really and honestly believe that the world owes them something, we are now at the stage
where our consumer and materialistic way of life has caused mounting envy, jealousy and an increase in
greed.

People want stuff, they want the latest and they want it now, they are no longer willing to sit and watch
the super wealthy parade their wealth or enjoy their wealth whilst others don't have.

In South Africa the crime/riots we see is due to greed, entitlement and mostly due to very dismal education levels
and very high unemployment and governmental inability to deliver services.
I don't think a sense of entitlement is anything modern. People have always wanted things. At most what has happened is that we have more information, so now instead of only being jealous of the guy in the hut next door we can be envious of people far away, and of course there's advertising. But what a lot of people don't see is that when some overpaid executive expects to be showered with more money or some musician complains because they're not getting their millions fast enough or even a very wealthy person moans about being taxed they're displaying a sense of entitlement.

But it's not like wealthy people don't engage in looting, only they don't normally break any windows while doing it.

In South Africa I don't see that people feel entitled, but rather they were made unrealistic promises, so naturally they're angry. The problem is that instead of admitting the promises were unrealistic the government, as politicians are wont to do, pretends someone else is to blame.
 
There's definitely a mob mentality going on here. Doesn't do much for the racists and anti-welfare cabal who were so keen to blame this on a person's skin colour and getting government support.


I don't think a sense of entitlement is anything modern. People have always wanted things. At most what has happened is that we have more information, so now instead of only being jealous of the guy in the hut next door we can be envious of people far away, and of course there's advertising. But what a lot of people don't see is that when some overpaid executive expects to be showered with more money or some musician complains because they're not getting their millions fast enough or even a very wealthy person moans about being taxed they're displaying a sense of entitlement.

But it's not like wealthy people don't engage in looting, only they don't normally break any windows while doing it.

In South Africa I don't see that people feel entitled, but rather they were made unrealistic promises, so naturally they're angry. The problem is that instead of admitting the promises were unrealistic the government, as politicians are wont to do, pretends someone else is to blame.

No, it's mostly labour and their social engineering and their over the top social policies. Cant be bothered to elaborate right now.
 
I don't agree with what they've been doing, but TBH at least they have the balls to take to the streets.

We'll be moaning about land grabs, nationalisation, toll fees etc. and in the end we just sit back and let it happen.
 
As was reported, the ones captured were the late, slow opportunists. The real problem characters are long gone, and probably sitting with their newly shod Nikes on the coffee table watching the new 42" LCD TV.
 
My favorite part is when they break down in tears. I wish we could collect those tears in a big bottle, boil it and make a nice cup of tea so that at least those pitifull tears would go towards some good.
 
I don't agree with what they've been doing, but TBH at least they have the balls to take to the streets.

We'll be moaning about land grabs, nationalisation, toll fees etc. and in the end we just sit back and let it happen.

Most of the moaning will be about who is in charge of the moaning and whose moaning is the best moaning
 
I don't agree with what they've been doing, but TBH at least they have the balls to take to the streets.

We'll be moaning about land grabs, nationalisation, toll fees etc. and in the end we just sit back and let it happen.

I call B.S.

Taking to the street is fine. Looting innocent and hardworking business owners' shops under the guise of a meaningful riot is just a cowardly dick move.
 
Taking to the street is fine. Looting innocent and hardworking business owners' shops under the guise of a meaningful riot is just a cowardly dick move.
Looting and destruction of property invariably happens, but in this case it wasn't a sideline. Instead it became the main focus.
 
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