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Steve Jobs Day

Amid global mourning for the death of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs, California Governor Jerry Brown has declared this Sunday as “Steve Jobs Day” in the southern US state.
 
Dennis Ritchie

Lets also honour a real computer scientist:

Dennis Ritchie - dmr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ritchie

Industry recognitions:
Turing Award from the ACM in 1983
Hamming Medal from the IEEE in 1990
National Medal of Technology from President Clinton in 1999
Japan Prize for Information and Communications in 2011

Co-Inventor of "C" and Unix

"UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity" - dmr

For the uninitiated:
Android, iOS (Apple), Linux, Windows via 'C', Sun, AIX, HP-UX, C++, Objective-C, Java, C#, etc
all have DNA from the work of Dennis Ritchie: the giant on whose shoulders we stand.
 
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Lets also honour a real computer scientist:

Dennis Ritchie - dmr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ritchie

Industry recognitions:
Turing Award from the ACM in 1983
Hamming Medal from the IEEE in 1990
National Medal of Technology from President Clinton in 1999
Japan Prize for Information and Communications in 2011

Co-Inventor of "C" and Unix

"UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity" - dmr

For the uninitiated:
Android, iOS (Apple), Linux, Windows via 'C', Sun, AIX, HP-UX, C++, Objective-C, Java, C#, etc
all have DNA from the work of Dennis Ritchie: the giant on whose shoulders we stand.

+1000

Steve was a businessman.

Ritchie was a scientist and a true inventor.
 
+1000
Steve was a businessman.
Ritchie was a scientist and a true inventor.

Ritchie's problem was that he did what he did for the good of humanity, not the relentless pursuit of money.

Sadly, that's what today's society values above all else.

If you had to make a list of the top 10 influential people that gave us today's computer/electronics industry, I highly doubt Steve Jobs would even make the list.
 
Ritchie's problem was that he did what he did for the good of humanity, not the relentless pursuit of money.

Sadly, that's what today's society values above all else.

If you had to make a list of the top 10 influential people that gave us today's computer/electronics industry, I highly doubt Steve Jobs would even make the list.

It's not a case of Steve Jobs vs Dennis Richie.
Both were great in their respective fields.
 
It's not a case of Steve Jobs vs Dennis Richie.
Both were great in their respective fields.

Indeed - but people seem to think that Jobs was a tech innovator, where he was really a marketing innovator. The press keeps going on how he transformed our world and so much of what computers are today are because of him. It's sad that the true innovators and geniuses in the field get ignored.
 
Indeed - but people seem to think that Jobs was a tech innovator, where he was really a marketing innovator. The press keeps going on how he transformed our world and so much of what computers are today are because of him. It's sad that the true innovators and geniuses in the field get ignored.

All too true,unfortunately we live in a shallow world where its not about reality but rather perceived reality by the masses....steve was very good at pulling the wool over the masses eyes...in that respect he was a genius.

In reality there are hundreds of more influential actual science geniuses that go unnoticed.

Steve jobs was a good marketer and he knew how to make great looking devices.
 
Really.... Steve Jobs day, that guy was an arsehole who sold over priced gadgets through extensive marketing. He stopped all the charity work that Apple did even after their huge success. The phones that Apple makes are made in sweatshops in China under appalling conditions, and to top it all off he had an illegitimate child then he refused to acknowledge it. And this is the man that they want to make a public holiday after, what has the world come to.

This pic kinda sums this all up.

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I don't understand the comparison with Ritchie. How do you expect the mass majority to even know about him?
 
I sincerely hope this doesn't spread to the rest of the world...

abzo, that's the point. The majority of the world don't realise that if not for (people like) Ritchie, they probably wouldn't have iOS for their iPhones right now, now Mac OS X for their iMacs, Macbooks and Mac Pros. Fans of Apple fawn over Steve Jobs because they think he was single-handedly responsible for developing and inventing things like the MP3 player (I shirt you not; even after I pointed out that he did not invent it, on facebook, one of the people on my friends list went and said that "and besides, he invented the mp3 player"). Fans of Jobs fawn over him thinking he was the world's greatest, kindest, most lovable person, but the chances are that if they ever had to try and talk to him personally that he would treat them as coldly as he treated any of his employees that made the most minor of development mistakes or that didn't deliver exactly what he wanted them to when he told them to take the crap he sucked out of his arse and turn it into gold.

The man was cruel, he was rude, he developed virtually nothing himself after NeXT. At the very most, he took part in brainstorming sessions with his employees and decided on what they would and would not develop, or would and would not do as far as designs are concerned (aesthetic, not practical - look at the initial unified-shell aluminium macbooks that came out; the things burned peoples' laps, but that's how he wanted it so that's how it was made).

Ritchie, from what I understand (I admittedly did not know of him until recently, either) at least innovated, personally. He developed, personally. He was the guy that people like Steve Jobs shat on because "it doesn't work the way I want it to with glittering nyancats flying out of every port".


And system32, Steve Jobs' greatness is debatable. If the guy had half a clue of what he was actually talking about, then he would not have spewed such utter nonsense during product launches. What he was 'great' for, was his ability to get the masses to believe that utter nonsense; yet, you don't see televangelists being regarded as 'great people' of the world.

He sold products, ignorant kids idolized him because his company made an mp3 player they liked the appearance of, fans of apple continue to support and love the company regardless of how badly it's shafting them. Brand loyalty's a bitch.
 
Really.... Steve Jobs day, that guy was an arsehole who sold over priced gadgets through extensive marketing. He stopped all the charity work that Apple did even after their huge success. The phones that Apple makes are made in sweatshops in China under appalling conditions, and to top it all off he had an illegitimate child then he refused to acknowledge it. And this is the man that they want to make a public holiday after, what has the world come to.

This pic kinda sums this all up.

76RkJ.png

"He started to fully accept his 9-year-old daughter Lisa as family. She increasingly spent time at his home in Woodside, and he even took her to NeXT’s offices from time to time. He started to get deeply involved in her education."

"Yet, in addition to large donations to charities, he spoke publicly twice for the defense of organ donations in 2010, and even played a critical role in the creation of the nations’ first organ donor registry in October 2010."

Steve Jobs biography. What did you say again?
 
a) he did not change the world with the iPod. At the very least, Creative beat him to the market with the Jukebox, and even Creative were not first to market with MP3 players. It's just that the iPod was the first MP3 players that teenagers wanted to own on account of how it looked rather than what it did

b) Apple II was not unique, was not the first of its kind and was, technically, not even that much of a commercial success; at the very least it was shadowed by its Commodore64 and IBM counterparts, the former of which outsold the Apple II quite heavily

c) the Mac operating system, or more specifically the GUI multitasking environment, that Steve Jobs helped develop, came out a good few years after the first version of Windows did, and by the mere fact that they had to license rights to copy features created by Xerox, it's evident they did not, at the time, have the 'creative genius' to develop the operating system on their own

d) the original Macintosh operating systems were not by any means 'human' or 'friendly'; if anything, they were as clunky, annoying and oftentimes frustrating to use as its direct competitor, Windows 1.0

e) Apple's products do not inspire the whole high-tech world, the whole high-tech world inspires Apple. Multitouch is not an Apple innovation, and it is one of the most recent things they are apt to sue everyone and their dog for having something even remotely similar to it; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitouch

f) reminder; brand-loyalty can and easily will make people blind to the absolute bullcrap associated with the brand they so adore and anything associated with it - I can guarantee you that the vast majority of Apple fans would be spouting the exact same baseless crap as that 'biography', singing the Jobs gospel as though the world would end without their support

g) I would like to see proof of just how much personal involvement Jobs had in the development of iTunes beyond telling his developers he doesn't like how it's working and that they must change 'it'. iTunes was, and may still be, one of the most counter-intuitive media management applications out there, too, with its aptitude to completely erase all of what's on your iPod, iPhone or iPad, without necessarily even informing you that it's planning on doing so

h) the iPhone hardly 'shook' the phone market; remember the brand-loyalty thing, again? If Palm had as many fans, they would have been able to bleed their customers of the funds they'd have needed to make their smartphones cheaper and thus more popular for people to use. Back in the day, people would say they'd never have so large a slab next to their head. Now people are making calls from their iPads, many times larger than the Palm smartphones were. Success of a product does not determine how world-changing it was, and the world of the cellphone would have evolved and survived just fine without the iPhone ever coming to light

i) just because he was head of Pixar does not automatically mean CG-only films would not have taken off without him. CG driven special effects existed in films for a long time before Jobs founded Pixar

j) the iPhone is given far too much credit here, again. Palm was manufacturing PDAs and smartphones long before Apple even decided to stop being so stubborn and adopt a CPU architecture that wasn't going to sink them financially


Apple fans need to be educated as to who the person they so idolize really was, what he really did and what his company has truly given the world of its own creativity, not that of others.
 
Lets also honour a real computer scientist:

Dennis Ritchie - dmr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ritchie

Industry recognitions:
Turing Award from the ACM in 1983
Hamming Medal from the IEEE in 1990
National Medal of Technology from President Clinton in 1999
Japan Prize for Information and Communications in 2011

Co-Inventor of "C" and Unix

"UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity" - dmr

For the uninitiated:
Android, iOS (Apple), Linux, Windows via 'C', Sun, AIX, HP-UX, C++, Objective-C, Java, C#, etc
all have DNA from the work of Dennis Ritchie: the giant on whose shoulders we stand.
Thank you for this, I actually came here to post it.
 
"He started to fully accept his 9-year-old daughter Lisa as family. She increasingly spent time at his home in Woodside, and he even took her to NeXT’s offices from time to time. He started to get deeply involved in her education."

"Yet, in addition to large donations to charities, he spoke publicly twice for the defense of organ donations in 2010, and even played a critical role in the creation of the nations’ first organ donor registry in October 2010."

Steve Jobs biography. What did you say again?
Yes I know he eventually started to accept her, but that is after 9 years.... congrates. And I never said he didn't donate to charity at all. My point was that he stopped all charity work by Apple when he was CEO, and compared to other billionaires his donations and his participation in the defence of organ donations (which btw he used his vast wealth to get a donation) are barely worth mentioning.

Okay maybe you can delude yourself to think that Steve Jobs was a decent guy, heck even a good guy, but there is no grounds that you could possible believe that he is such a saint that he deserves a day named after him.
 
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