SNO speaks out on ADSL

SNO said:
However, applying controls to the structure of a specific retail product is not the most effective way of achieving this in the long-term
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Well, we have waited for long enough, short term is where we need action, and we need it now!
 
This is all these ppl do.They debate and debate sum more and dont really do anything. OK the SNO wants to show it is willing to make a change, but it feels to me it is just making a show to attract followers for when it starts to give a product. Telkom and ICASA has recieved many Drafts in the past allready by many successfull companies and nothing has come of that.

Yes we all agree the monthly rental of the DSlam must go. This new underwater cable comming in will it even have any impact on the cap size and shapping protocols? No it willl not. They will have the same rules for the new cable in the begining till the government steps in to pass a bill.

On the bright side, lots of changes will come in 2006. Lets hope its in good fevour of us not the ISP's.
 
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The SNO pointed out that there are various wholesale broadband models apart from full Local Loop Unbundling to achieve a more competitive ADSL environment.
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Remember the SNO also wants access to the Local loop as they can then more effectively gain market share of existing Telkom customers. Hopefully with the backing of the SNO the draft on unbundling of the LL will happen, which would be the most significant step towards a competative market. The capping and pricing problem would be solved if competition becomes a reality. The LL should however not be available only to two players as we would face the same problems in the mobile phone industry of Duopolies.
 
My advice to the SNO is very simple, don't bullsh!t the SA consumer and make false promises, we don't want to hear the marketing schpeel, and we don't care how difficult it's going to be to offer services, blah blah blah. All we want is the plain honest truth. Tata and VSNL are global player that should know exactly what's happening around the globe with regards to broadband, and that's exactly what needs to happen here in SA. We want a world class broadband service comparable to those in Europe, Asia and the Americas. Yes, there are going to be challenges in our telecomms market but they just need to step up to the plate and hit a home run. Come one SNO, be the first telecomms company in SA's history to actually give the SA consumer what they want and more importantly what they deserve. SA is NOT a 3rd world country and shouldn't be treated like it, gives us 1st world telecomms at 1st world prices!!!!
 
Correct me if I'm wrong...

But these guys are obviously starting out on the wrong foot by not putting consumer interest first. Looks like more politics.
 
EdRobinson said:
But these guys are obviously starting out on the wrong foot by not putting consumer interest first. Looks like more politics.
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not that you are wrong but i found it refreshing that they are clearly stating this is what we need - the fundamental problem is the wholesale set up and if this is not sorted then nothing will be sorted

sorting out the ludicrous situation with regard to wholesale and telkominternet is most definitely in the interests of consumers
 
This is obviously the perfect opportunity for them to force Telkom to give them access to the exchange (DSLAM). That is why they said ICASA should not concentrate on a specific retail product like ADSL (but rather the entire LL).

They have been through this before and they know what they are talking about. In the same breath, they are a business and they are trying to make money. That will mean that they have to give Telkom as much competition as possible. GO SNOT!!
 
Not to sound to pesemistic but to me all comments that the SNO has been saying leads me to wonder if we wont have a vodacom - mtn situation here.
 
At first glance it seems to be newspeak for "we want to control the pricing structures of ADSL"...

Bah. Humbug.

Anybody know of a good internet-detox clinic?
 
What we needed was real tough competition.
Not sure about you but I don't give or ask support from my competition, I go out there to crush the competition.

I hope i'm wrong but I think we may just be in for an ugly supprise.

I just picture some big boys from Telkom and the SNO having a couple of drinks together talking about strategies.
 
... Now why on earth would you want to detox? :D

If the SNO sticks to their guns, they'll very quickly become the darling of the SA public...
 
newdeal said:
Not to sound to pesemistic but to me all comments that the SNO has been saying leads me to wonder if we wont have a vodacom - mtn situation here.
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lol of course we will
 
SNO is here 2 make oodles of mula, they've more than once stated there is not going too be a price war, why is everyone getting there hopes up?
 
These guys have investors and investments to protect as well. They're not a charity. So can you blame them if they're profit orientated? And for the first few years they will be dependent on telscum's infrastructure. So they have to play the diplomacy game till then. Basically what that article said to me was, Telkom holds all the cards but we'll fsck em over somehow by using their rules and regs
 
As i have said all along there will be price collusion between these 2 monopolies. There will be no benefit to us in the end. I hope i am wrong but i doubt it.
 
They seem to put out odd statements - well worded nothings here and there. What are they really saying in this realease?
 
I don't want to be flame bait here, but this is one of the best responses to the ADSL issue to date. Their idea is that direct regulation of pricing will not have the desired effect - improving prices, products and services in the medium to long term. If the prices are regulated, the competitive situation (which admittedly doesn't exist right now) will be skewed, and investment in these technologies could be reduced. However, if wholesale pricing, LLU, and SAT-3 access are brought into the debate, true competition will drive dwn pricing.

I don't think their submission is negative, but rather that it focuses on the real problem in the market, and it says that this kind of reactive regulation may not be in the best interests of the broadband market or the consumer in the long term.
 
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