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Israel's prime minister has ordered an investigation into alleged leaks of plans to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, it has been reported.

According to the Kuwaiti newspaper al-Jarida, the main suspects are the former heads of the Mossad and the Shin Bet, respectively Israel's foreign and domestic intelligence agencies.

Netanyahu is said to believe that the two, Meir Dagan and Yuval Diskin, wanted to torpedo plans being drawn up by him and Ehud Barak, the defence minister, to hit Iranian nuclear sites. Tzipi Livni, leader of the opposition Kadima party, is also said to have been persuaded to attack Netanyahu for "adventurism" and "gambling with Israel's national interest".

The paper suggested that the purpose of the leaks was to prevent an attack, which had moved from the stage of discussion to implementation. "Those who oppose the plan within the security establishment decided to leak it to the media and thwart the plan," it said.

Both Dagan and Diskin oppose military action against Iran unless all other options – primarily international diplomatic pressure and perhaps sabotage — have been exhausted. In January the recently retired Dagan, a hawk when he was running the Mossad, called an attack on Iran "the stupidest idea I've ever heard".

The Kuwait paper has a track record of running stories based on apparently high-level leaks from Israeli officials.

Even well-informed Israeli observers admit to being confused about what is going on behind the scenes.

"It seems that only Netanyahu and Barak know, and maybe even they haven't decided," commented Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff, both respected Haaretz writers. "While many people say Netanyahu and Barak are conducting sophisticated psychological warfare and don't intend to launch a military operation, top officials … are still afraid."

The idea that something significant is going on in this highly sensitive area was rekindled last week in comments by columnist Nahum Barnea, who wrote in Yedioth Ahronoth that the officials running Israel's military and intelligence services were opposed to a war with Iran.

"Binyamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak are the Siamese twins of the Iranian issue," he wrote. "A rare phenomenon is taking place here in terms of Israeli politics: a prime minister and defence minister who act as one body, with one goal, with mutual backing and repeated heaping of praise on each other… They're characterised as urging action.

"Netanyahu portrayed the equation at the beginning of his term as: [Iranian president Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad is Hitler; if he is not stopped in time, there will be a Holocaust. There are some who describe Netanyahu's fervour on this subject as an obsession: all his life he's dreamed of being Churchill. Iran gives him the chance."

The debate in Israel was further fanned on Wednesday when Israel successfully test-fired a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and striking Iran.
 
I suspect its all a ruse, Palestine is getting attention, it joins unesco, social protests are gearing up domestically and lo and behold here comes a nice convenient "leak" that captures every bodies attention
 
Fader4 said:
I suspect its all a ruse, Palestine is getting attention, it joins unesco, social protests are gearing up domestically and lo and behold here comes a nice convenient "leak" that captures every bodies attention
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This guy Netanyahu is dangerous, possibly the anti-christ Nastradamus spoke about. He should resign embarrasing his country like he has.
 
griffinbradley said:
Does this confirm Iran has nukes?
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Definitely! Just as many as Iraq had ;)

Who knows, 'cause if I believe the Yanks on every bit of propaganda they spew, I'll believe that in stories like Roswell et al :)
 
Fader4 said:
I suspect its all a ruse, Palestine is getting attention, it joins unesco, social protests are gearing up domestically and lo and behold here comes a nice convenient "leak" that captures every bodies attention
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of course its a ruse.
If Israel ever decides to hit Iran, it won't be in the newspapers.
Not sure why they would bother, Saudi Barbaria have more to fear of a nuclear Iran than Israel - I bet you the Saudis and a few other muslim countries are secretly begging for Israel to hit them.
 
griffinbradley said:
This guy Netanyahu is dangerous, possibly the anti-christ Nastradamus spoke about. He should resign embarrasing his country like he has.
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Your credibility just went WHEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee.......*poof* out of the window.
 
lol, Did we really need a news report or a leak to tell us that Israel has plans to deal with Iran? :D

They probably have plans to deal with every Middle Eastern Nation which they perceive as a threat (which is just about all of them).
 
Garyvdh said:
lol, Did we really need a news report or a leak to tell us that Israel has plans to deal with Iran? :D

They probably have plans to deal with every Middle Eastern Nation which they perceive as a threat (which is just about all of them).
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Agreed I am sure even the United States has plans in place for the worst case scenario, everyone in the world against them... that being said plans arn't intent and shouldn't be confused with it.
 
Good morning marine1 how are you today? Why should it matter my religion (if I have any). My views are based upon thousands of years of Jewish tradition of clever tacticall negotiating to find solutions and not defending the use of force to get your way - no matter he circumstances that you can convince yourself about. The good book never spoke of a Jewish army.
 
The debate in Israel was further fanned on Wednesday when Israel successfully test-fired a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and striking Iran.
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So its ok for Israel to have WMD's :wtf:
 
marine1 said:
Ahhh yet another thread against Israel, lol.
So tell me who has Israel ever threatened to wipe off the face of the planet? Oh wait Iran :rolleyes:
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Come on marine :( that is a low blow. There has been a concesus from Academics that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
was misquoted. Who do you believe, the media or people who are experts in literature.

Even if he had said that, he is not even Commander-in-chief, he has no role in the millitary, he can't even declare war on another country, he does not have a mandate to do it.
 
news24 said:
Come on marine :( that is a low blow. There has been a concesus from Academics that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
was misquoted. Who do you believe, the media or people who are experts in literature.

Even if he had said that, he is not even Commander-in-chief, he has no role in the millitary, he can't even declare war on another country, he does not have a mandate to do it.
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Really?
Have a read:
http://middleeast.about.com/od/iran/p/ahmadinejad-profile.htm







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
Translation controversy
Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]
Ahmadinejad's phrase was " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[10]
The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14]
 
griffinbradley said:
Sorry to disappoint you, but you make like it should matter to me. What next Saddam Hussein had WMD?
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He might have had, if not for Operation Opera.

griffinbradley said:
Good morning marine1 how are you today? Why should it matter my religion (if I have any). My views are based upon thousands of years of Jewish tradition of clever tacticall negotiating to find solutions and not defending the use of force to get your way - no matter he circumstances that you can convince yourself about. The good book never spoke of a Jewish army.
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The army of Israel and the Israelites? The Maccabees? King Davids army?

Mineer said:
So its ok for Israel to have WMD's :wtf:
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Not really but they have never actually said they have nuclear weapons. Nor have they called for the destruction of an entire race/religion/country which is obviously much easier to put into action when you have nukes.
 
marine1 said:
Really?
Have a read:
http://middleeast.about.com/od/iran/p/ahmadinejad-profile.htm







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
Translation controversy
Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]
Ahmadinejad's phrase was " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[10]
The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14]
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You only want to beileve what you want. And you institituted the old cowardly behaviour often labelled as SELECTIVE Quoting, you forgot to mention that from the same article that you quoted there is another side of the coin. I will quote it for you, maybe someone updated wikipedia:) right after you posted, anyways, here goes.

Ahmadinejad's phrase was " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[10]

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14]

Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[15][16][17]

Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.[18]

Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—"wipe Israel off the map"—suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.[19][20][21]

The Guardian columnist and foreign correspondent Jonathan Steele published an article based on this line of reasoning.[22]

In a June 11, 2006 analysis of the translation controversy, New York Times editor Ethan Bronner stated:

[T]ranslators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his website, refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran’s most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say “wipe off” or “wipe away” is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive.

Bronner continued: "..it is hard to argue that, from Israel's point of view, Mr. Ahmadinejad poses no threat. Still, it is true that he has never specifically threatened war against Israel. So did Iran's president call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'? It certainly seems so. Did that amount to a call for war? That remains an open question."[13] This elicited a further response from Jonathan Steele, who noted that Bronner agreed that "map" or any other place noun had not been used and criticized this Wikipedia entry (as it was on June 14, 2006) for "claiming falsely" that Ethan Bronner had "concluded that Ahmadinejad had in fact said that Israel was to be wiped off the map".[23]

Clarifying comments[/B
]At a news conference on January 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad stated his speech had been exaggerated and misinterpreted.[24] "There is no new policy, they created a lot of hue and cry over that. It is clear what we say: Let the Palestinians participate in free elections and they will say what they want." Speaking at a D-8 summit meeting in July 2008, he denied that his country would ever instigate military action. Instead he claimed that "the Zionist regime" in Israel would eventually collapse on its own.[25][26]

Asked if he objected to the government of Israel or Jewish people, he said that "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish". He added that Jews lived in Iran and were represented in the country's parliament.[25]
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Just because of a single quote of one man, whose translation is up for debate, you clearly think that it is fair and okay to put the lives of millions of people at risk. Don't forget that it was the Israeli not the Iranians that attacked and killed unarmed Turkish civilians who were sending aid to Palestine in International waters.
 
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