IS the DA being RETARDED? [domestic workers bill]

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Compensation Fund’s administrative privatisation would pave the way to extend coverage for domestic workers

Ian Ollis, DA Spokesperson on Labour
2 November 2011

The Compensation Commissioner, Shadrack Mkhonto, has suggested that he would like the administration of the Compensation Fund to be outsourced to a private company. This is a welcome development, and if implemented, will likely help the Fund to provide better services.

Most importantly, this will aid the Fund in extending its coverage to domestic workers. In September, I announced a comprehensive plan to extend Compensation Fund coverage to domestic workers.

Domestic workers are currently the only category of non-military workers excluded from the Compensation Fund’s coverage. When domestic workers are injured at work, they receive no support and often lose their jobs if they become disabled or have permanent injuries. This cannot be allowed to continue. And the privatisation of the Fund’s administration is the first step in the right direction.

The Fund has long been hampered by administrative problems and a dysfunctional computer system. This means that onerous paperwork needs to be completed by hand every time a claim is lodged with the Fund. What we need is a sophisticated computer system that is integrated with the systems used by hospitals and medical practitioners. This is much more likely to be put in place if the Fund’s administration is privatised. I therefore strongly support Mr Mkhonto’s suggestion that the Fund’s administration be privatised and will be pushing for further discussion on this topic in the Portfolio Committee on Labour.

With increased management capacity, the Fund would be able to register the thousands of domestic workers and their employers who have been ignored by the Fund thusfar. I have initiated a private member’s legislative proposal to mandate the Fund to do just that and I will continue pushing for its implementation at every opportunity in Parliament.

Seriously, we have a country with an unemployment problem and now the DA supports a bill that brings in more legislation to domestic workers. What is the net result going to be? A rise in the unemployment of domestic workers - we won't be able to afford them.

A rise in Xenophobia because employees will now employee foreigners as the cost of being fined exceed the cost of avoiding this bill.

My logic: If our problem is unemployment then why bring in more labour legislation to make labour more unattractive and more expensive?
 
Domestic workers are currently the only category of non-military workers excluded from the Compensation Fund’s coverage. When domestic workers are injured at work, they receive no support and often lose their jobs if they become disabled or have permanent injuries. This cannot be allowed to continue. And the privatisation of the Fund’s administration is the first step in the right direction.

If that is true, then I would support the bill the DA is pushing. People are people regardless of what job they work for and since this is an 'official' job, why shouldn't get the same benefits? Surely it can't be because "they are paid enough"?;)

So, who is voting DA? :whistle:
 
If that is true, then I would support the bill the DA is pushing. People are people regardless of what job they work for and since this is an 'official' job, why shouldn't get the same benefits? Surely it can't be because "they are paid enough"?;)

So, who is voting DA? :whistle:
Hey I actually find myself agreeing with you :D
 
I don't have a problem with this bill. It is actually a good thing, but yes... there might be the unintended consequence that more domestic workers actually lose their jobs.
People cannot keep up with all the red tape and legislation.
 
People should just get rid of their domestics, it's really not that hard to keep ones own home tidy...

Best of all, it will save you money, it will save you effort, putting your own safety first - This almost sounds like a familiar advert :D
 
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If that is true, then I would support the bill the DA is pushing. People are people regardless of what job they work for and since this is an 'official' job, why shouldn't get the same benefits? Surely it can't be because "they are paid enough"?;)

So, who is voting DA? :whistle:

wow I can't believe I'm going to say this but I actually agree with you on this one
 
I feel sorry for domestic's, not a very well paid job, I know people that have just decided on the whim to fire their domestic without even a notice because they got too "friendly".
Some even laugh at me when I tell them how well ours is paid, they say you can get away with paying them a lot less. (ours looks after my child so we look after her)
 
That's not the problem. It's the frigging ironing that does my head in! :o

Agreed 1000% I also hate ironing - if only they could invent a machine to do that without hassle, for the rest I'm pretty much automated.
 
People should just get rid of their domestics

Get rid of one's that dont want to work!
We fired one that stole booze from us and came to work drunk at 8am in the morning.
Since then we have had 2, one we found a better job for, the other is still with us and brilliant with my kid, sent her on medical training and will in future send her on cooking training.
 
If that is true, then I would support the bill the DA is pushing. People are people regardless of what job they work for and since this is an 'official' job, why shouldn't get the same benefits? Surely it can't be because "they are paid enough"?;)

So, who is voting DA? :whistle:

my concern is not so much the domestics who are currently employed but those who aren't employed they simply won't be able to enter the labour force due to all this red rape. Domestics within the labour force, especially those who have worked for 10+ years for the same family actually do get some benefits, because they have some skills that those families would like to keep.

If this bill is introduces then people will just be looking towards alternatives and more domestic workers will be sitting on the streets with no salary and no education.
 
Privatizing is good idea in this regard, would allow them to get the proper people to build the computer system and the right people to maintain it.
 
That's not the problem. It's the frigging ironing that does my head in! :o
Just fold up your stuff while its hot from the wire or dryer - works for me.

We need to stop this reliance on domestic workers - we are one of the few countries that do this and it really just shows how lazy we are.
the other is still with us and brilliant with my kid, sent her on medical training and will in future send her on cooking training.
Why did you have kids if you are unable to raise them?
 
my concern is not so much the domestics who are currently employed but those who aren't employed they simply won't be able to enter the labour force due to all this red rape. Domestics within the labour force, especially those who have worked for 10+ years for the same family actually do get some benefits, because they have some skills that those families would like to keep.

If this bill is introduces then people will just be looking towards alternatives and more domestic workers will be sitting on the streets with no salary and no education.

I agree with your point completely, they need to make it easier to hire AND fire people. More red tape in general costs people their jobs. BUT, I think this is necessary. Domestic workers in general have a raw deal, if properly managed (and not paid for by me) then this would give them a bit of security should they be unable to work.
 
I agree with your point completely, they need to make it easier to hire AND fire people. More red tape in general costs people their jobs. BUT, I think this is necessary. Domestic workers in general have a raw deal, if properly managed (and not paid for by me) then this would give them a bit of security should they be unable to work.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmNdoPphMcM
 
my concern is not so much the domestics who are currently employed but those who aren't employed they simply won't be able to enter the labour force due to all this red rape. Domestics within the labour force, especially those who have worked for 10+ years for the same family actually do get some benefits, because they have some skills that those families would like to keep.

If this bill is introduces then people will just be looking towards alternatives and more domestic workers will be sitting on the streets with no salary and no education.
How about a private entity who you pay the domestic worker's salary to. They handle all various the deductions, and deposit the final salary into the domestic worker's bank account. Would that not remove most of the red tape?
 
My Dad hired a temporary domestic through one of those agencies cos my Mom is not able to get around very well.

The first day she got there she asked him to pay her directly and not give her money to the agency.

so yeah... I can see how well privatising is going to work. :rolleyes:
 
Agreed 1000% I also hate ironing - if only they could invent a machine to do that without hassle, for the rest I'm pretty much automated.

It's called a Wife..You should put the Iron and board in the Kitchen if the leash is to short for her to reach the Ironing room.



// runs

// flame suit.
 
How about a private entity who you pay the domestic worker's salary to. They handle all various the deductions, and deposit the final salary into the domestic worker's bank account. Would that not remove most of the red tape?

They still have to deal with the red rape, now I have to pay the red rape, the domestic worker and the agency?
 
They still have to deal with the red rape, now I have to pay the red rape, the domestic worker and the agency?
Well if you have a domestic through an agency, then surely they should be handling all this?
 
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