The Coming Terror Attack News

[LoneGunman]

Just to provide some background on current affairs, and to get away from the notion that 'things just happen', in military and political circles - I'm detailing
some of the underlying facts at present. Then will post data as it emerges, which cover items of interest that suggest a game-plan is underway by the various nations.

(Next week is a massive US Naval 'stand down' - info at end of this post.) Given that the last time there was an 'unofficial' military 'stand down' of any note, 911 happened. So its useful to keep a collection of possibly relevant news items, ahead of the next steps in the global war-game.

Here's a quick summary, leading to the latest points of interest..

1. March 20, is the date that Iran begins selling oil for Euro's, not dollars - some economists have suggested that in order to protect the dollar - this can't be allowed to happen. (Saddam Hussein was about to do this, ahead of Gulf War 1)
read Wikipedia on Iranian Oil Bourse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Oil_Bourse
"Has BUSH forgotten about the Iranian Bourse?"
http://www.teamliberty.net/id217.html
"Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse"
http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html
"The Iranian Threat: The Bomb or the Euro?"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8354.htm
"Iran's oil gambit - and potential affront to the US"
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0830/p03s01-wome.html
"The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target: The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker"
http://www.energybulletin.net/2913.html
'WILL IRAN'S OIL KILL THE US DOLLAR'
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=9752

2. Therefore the US (if economic protection of their currency is as important as it would appear to be) HAS to have a Reason to move against Iran, VERY soon - to disrupt their oil selling ability.

3. The whispers of a deliberate fake nuclear attack by the US on US soil itself, in order to provide massive instant justification for immediate military action against percieved 'enemies' - has been growing for some time.
(A number of 'military exercises' - focusing on reaction to a 'nearby nuclear explosion' - have been done across various cities and bases - mostly in the Southern US, over the last few months.)

4. It has been noted by various media studies, that every time the Bush poll numbers appear to drop, in at least 15 different instances, a 'terror alert' was announced within 48 hours of this poll data being publicised. (Each alert leading to no tangible proof of any actual 'terror'.)
"Government terrorist warnings boost President Bush's approval ratings"
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Oct04/terrorist.Bush.ssl.html
Rating Bush and the Terror Alerts:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/21/opinion/polls/main509623.shtml

5. Bush is currently struggling as polls variously put his popularity as low as 34% - a record low not seen since Nixon.
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Gallup_Bush_disapproval_rating_lowest_of_0308.html
Not only are his popularity polls at record lows, the overall polls covering aspects of both his, and the UK's various policies, show that public opinion is moving firmly against the current situation.
http://infowars.net/articles/march2006/070306_b_people.htm

Therefore, the odds on 'something' having to happen - which will also quite possibly put the US under martial law, have been increasing steadily.
"Pentagon Devising Scenarios for Martial Law in US"
http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/18066
"Friday, Nov. 21, 2003 ..Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml

6. As reported in mainstream news quietly, a little while back, Haliburton has received the go ahead to build a large number of - in essence - 'concentration camps' - to house 'illegal immigrants' and 'others' - theoretically to be used in the event of some kind of emergency.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/022106a.html

7. Naturally the 'how' of a faked 'terrorist' attack, is not known.
But it would appear to be coming. Nothing else will seem to allow the US to have unanimous approval of its actions, both at home and abroad.
It's just a matter of time, before 'something' happens - which will allow the Bush regime to justifiably 'retaliate' against its 'enemy', and take the neocon's into the next stages of their plans.

What plans? Here's the broad strokes of it:

""Rebuilding America's Defenses (RAD)" is a policy document published by a neoconservative Washington think tank called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Its pages have been compared to Hitler's Mein Kampf in that they outline an aggressive military plan for U.S. world domination during the coming century."
read - http://www.antiwar.com/orig/stockbauer1.html

The men who wrote the above mentioned document, are the men who now run the Pentagon, the Defense Department and the White House.

To see the coming future, read 'Project for the new American Century':
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm
Read wikipedia on Project for a New American Century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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The above, is the basic background, from which to view any unfolding stories which emerge on the global stage. (We'll see within mere days or weeks, whether the 'Iranian oil bourse' section will be a 'trigger' for the next steps in the overall intended game-plan.)

Thinking 'outside of the box' is necessary, at every step, in order to not get caught up in following the knee-jerk reaction that the NeoCons will rely on, from the media and shocked citizens, in order to follow through on their next steps - once the next 'trigger' occurs.

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LATEST:

Some folks have noticed the very quiet announcement that a number of Naval bases are to 'stand down' next week.
NAVY TIMES:
http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1578809.php
"..the Navy plans to ground all its aircraft for half a day next week for an internal safety review. The stand down will affect 3,800 aircraft and Thousands of naval aviation personnel, including aircraft on 12 carriers around the world."
CNN REPORT:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/03/navy.aircraft.grounded.ap/index.html
LA TIMES:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-briefs4.2mar04,1,7858825.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true

[killadoob]

very very interesting

well the US is going to do something in order to attack iran thats for sure

[LabAnimal]

would be interesting to see if anything will really happen. - we allready know there's a Dork in the Bush...

[lord_spaceman]

"World War III: The Iranian Menace" commeth....very, very soon....

[dominic]

@ what stage does it all get too obvious?

so bush props up his rating through war talk (nothing new there) but surely there is a finite number of times you can pull the same stunt before a critical mass of people become aware of what is going on? or am i underestimating the wilful ignorance of what hunter s thompson referred to as the "new dumb"

been here before but it seems apt...

Let's face it--the yo-yo president of the U.S.A. knows nothing. He is a dunce. He does what he is told to do--says what he is told to say--poses the way he is told to pose. He is a Fool.

This is never an easy thing for the voters of this country to accept.

No. Nonsense. The president cannot be a Fool. Not at this moment in time--when the last living vestiges of the American Dream are on the line. This is not the time to have a bogus rich kid in charge of the White House. Which is, after all, our house. That is our headquarters--it is where the heart of America lives. So if the president lies and act giddy about other people's lives--if he wantonly and stupidly endorses mass murder as a logical plan to make sure that we are still Number One--he is a Jackass by definition--a loud and meaningless animal with no fundamental intelligence and no balls.

To say that this goofy child president is looking more and more like Richard Nixon in the summer of 1974 would be a flagrant insult to Nixon.

Whoops! Did I say that? Is it even vaguely possible that some New Age Republican whore-beast of a false president could actually make Richard Nixon look like a liberal?

[LoneGunman]

Agreed, Nixon was a frightening monster, paranoid, delusional and responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not millions - BUT - he WAS clever.
Whereas Dubya has to be a puppet figurehead of some kind, with Cheney, Wolfowitz and/or Bush Snr pulling the real strings behind the throne. There's just no proof in his public statements and reported behaviour in office, that he has the IQ to be doing much.

[krycor]

ugh i hope they hurry with the nuke program in pakistan, and since US basically gave em the finger they can team up with Iran and maybe we can have a interesting war else its another boring thing and i wanna see US hit hard for their stupidity.

[craigsa]

So you would rather have a lunatic from Iran as the world power ? Are you mad ?

[killadoob]

bush it not much different

is he not a lunatic?

[craigsa]

Yes he is but i don't see him threatening any non-muslim countries so we should be ok for now. This ********* from Iran will nuke anyone who isn't on his side.

[killadoob]

yes but he threatens muslim countries which makes them threaten us

well as far as i know america is the only country to have ever nuked anyone

is that correct?

[craigsa]

Yip i think that is correct. The Muslims have been causing k@k long before the US started going after them.

[kingmonty]

So you would rather have a lunatic from Iran as the world power ? Are you mad ?That's not really the question though - and to be fair, there's absolutely no chance of Iran becoming a world power. What I'm interested in, and certainly what I've been watching for a while now, is how the far east reacts over the Iran (actually, the entire middle east) over the next few months.

I find it interesting that many of the statements made by the various Pentagon and Whitehouse spokespeople over the past few days contain *heavy* undertones (in fact with distinctive condescending traces as well) of we'll try the diplomacy route for a little while when referring to the UN Security Council and the imminent referral of Iran thereto.

An attack on US soil would not be as easily sympathised *abroad* this time round, so such an attack would be extremely deliberate in terms of who "did" it...

[Nick333]

My biggest concern is that the majority of the American people would have the same attitude as craigsa, even were they to know the truth about what's going on.
They've already shown their willingness to sacrifice freedom for security and continued prosperity.
I think the average American, given the choice, would rather willingly be a part of an evil empire than face economic hardship.

[Moederloos]

So you would rather have a lunatic from Iran as the world power ? Are you mad ?

No one is saying that. I would rather not have a lunatic in power PERIOD (and Bush counts as a lunatic in my book).

[killadoob]

well i can tell you now

if the US attack the Iran the whole of the muslim world is going to war with the West

if the US attack we are in for a very rough ride and Jihad will set in.

i told you guys i read that the world end in 2006 and it starts from the middle east but i was told im an idiot so yea heheh

[craigsa]

Hold on a sec , if Iran become Nuclear then they become a world power immidiately. Nick i hear what you are saying but i still think the world is unstable because of the rougue states not because of the US. I do think the US are up to no good with oil but as i said i would rather have them in control as we have seen what these other lunatics are capable of.

[craigsa]

i told you guys i read that the world end in 2006 and it starts from the middle east but i was told im an idiot so yea heheh
I don't think you are an idiot, maybe Nostradamus was a little off on the dates?

[Moederloos]

oil.

Back in biblical times, just before Lucifer was thrown down from heaven, he managed a last sneek move - burying oil under the middle east.

[that was meant in humour :D - kind of]

[killadoob]

must be oil because bush couldnt care about zimbabwe, but he must free the iraqi ppl, who happen to have alot of oil?

hmmm Iran want a nuclear power like south africa naaaa they got oil they are gonna make bombs

ok but i guess saying that israel should be wiped off the earth is not to good on Iran's part :)

[Moederloos]

hmmm Iran want a nuclear power like south africa naaaa i they got oil they are gonna make bombs


No - they want nuclear power that WORKS - lol
:D

[Nick333]

Craig, the US is known for k@k stirring in regions they have an interest in. Leaders whose interests are contrary to US policy are villainized and where possible disposed of.
In light of the info supplied by LG, do you honestly believe that the so called "rogue state" of Iran is any sort of real millitary threat to world peace?
I don't buy it.

[craigsa]

I agree with you but if Iran becomes nuclear then yes they are a threat.

[Moederloos]

Craig, the US is known for k@k stirring in regions they have an interest in. Leaders whose interests are contrary to US policy are villainized and where possible disposed of.
In light of the info supplied by LG, do you honestly believe that the so called "rogue state" of Iran is any sort of real millitary threat to world peace?
I don't buy it.

The problem we face is propoganda. The USA has an almost exclusive control of media (film, music, books). With this force, they are able to promot the USA as a glorified saviour that can do no wrong. Just look at the way the western world worships the USA. It is a sick phenomenon.

[Nick333]

I agree with you but if Iran becomes nuclear then yes they are a threat.

Well it works both ways if Israel has the right to have nukes as a deterent so does Iran.

Edit: Any country with a nuclear arsenal can be seen as a threat to a country with opposing interests.

[Moederloos]

Well it works both ways if Israel has the right to have nukes as a deterent so does Iran.
And the States also has nukes - and they are a threat...

[killadoob]

yup nuclear war coming to a country near you

[lord_spaceman]

When the USA says jump, you say "How far?" - you don't mess with them as we have all seen in the past. Iran is trying to be a s**t stirrer just like Iraq was. Just disarm any nukes you have and get on with life...

[craigsa]

Difference is that Israel is not threatening to wipe out other whole countries are they ?

[killadoob]

no but they wont give ppl land which is rightfully there's

[kingmonty]

I agree with you but if Iran becomes nuclear then yes they are a threat.
I disagree. Firstly the chances of Iran becoming a world nuclear power is zero (they don't have the expertise, the equipment or the experience). Secondly, Iran won't be able to attack any major US friendly countries directly, and certainly won't be able to detonate a nuke in the US.

This whole thing is about "He who controls the oil controls the *world* Economy" for the West - and only for the West. The US must protect their only asset - the dollar. That *sacred* of all currencies is under immense threat from the Middle and Far east at the moment (and to a lesser degree Eastern and Central Europe). Also, the US is struggling to retain any sort of major trade relations with anyone these days. Their Steel and Agricultural exports have gone to ****, and they're shipping less and less electronics every year. So we what we have here is the economic power house losing ground in a market it domininated for the better part of the last 50 years. And that does not bode well for American capitalism.

[craigsa]

Rightfully according to whom ? Anyway i am not going to get into a religious debate about Israel and the arab states. Bottom line for me is i would rather have the US mad war machine in power over the Iran - Muslim or die- Regime.

[dominic]

mmmhmmmm china in a bull shop

[craigsa]

Guys come on man if Iran becomes nuclear which is a very big posibility then who will stop them? It is a lot easier to get the technology or equipment if they are not stopped.

[kingmonty]

Ok, I'll conced to a point.... If they become a nuclear power, there could be *some* trouble, if they (and I mean Iran - not Muslims - and I'm not implying Muslims aren't clever) are clever on how they use that power to defend their own natural resources.

[craigsa]

agreed

[Nick333]

Craig no middle east country will ever be a super power for the same reasons that kingmonty has given. Iran will never be in charge of anything besides Iran and Irans oil. Any power they have over western countries will be derived from the there ownership of a large chunk of the worlds oil, if the west doesnt like that scenario they would be advised to start addressing their reliance on oil.
The fact is that seeing as it's a finite resource which is going to run out soon enough we woulld all be advised to start thinking about what we're going to do when its gone anyway.

The US is the biggest consumer of non-renewble resources and the biggest polluter in the world. They are killing this planet.
Once they have established there empire, start the countdown , because we'll all be fccked in less than a century.

[Moederloos]

When the USA says jump, you say "How far?" - you don't mess with them as we have all seen in the past. Iran is trying to be a s**t stirrer just like Iraq was. Just disarm any nukes you have and get on with life...

You mean they should give up trying to get what they rightfully should have? Just because the USA says so? Bull.

What next - SA is not allowed to have nuclear power / internet / electricity / grow their own food, because it may impact on USA economics?

[killadoob]

yea shut down the nuclear station guys we might build bombs

[bb_matt]

Interesting that so many have this overwhelming "trust" of the USA ;)

Here we have the only country in the world who has used an Atomic bombs during a war and everyone thinks "well, I'd rather have them running things"

Then there's the automatic assumption that Iran is evil - a country that doesn't possess any nuclear weapons vs. a country that has thousands of them.

crazy talk.

[craigsa]

Nick Israel is a a suoer power in terms of their armed forces.
On the rest of your statements i agree 100%

[craigsa]

Hey hold on here, it seems that i am the only one here supporting the US !! :D

Interesting that so many have this overwhelming "trust" of the USA ;)

Here we have the only country in the world who has used an Atomic bombs during a war and everyone thinks "well, I'd rather have them running things"

Then there's the automatic assumption that Iran is evil - a country that doesn't possess any nuclear weapons vs. a country that has thousands of them.

crazy talk.

[bb_matt]

I don't support any of them, to be honest.
I was hoping that Iran could see their OWN form of democracy work and they came damn close to achieving that a few years back, so it's likely that the winds of change IF LEFT ALONE, will see more freedom for Iranians.

Aint gonna happen tho, big old bully USA is beating its drums.

[craigsa]

Watch the video at the top of this page - the chick sitting there.
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2703896?htv=12&htv=12

[kingmonty]

Well, back on topic. The next 6 weeks is going to be an interesting time. I'm especially curious how skilfully the US will retard any Security Council measures vs Iran to break down the whole diplomatic process, thereby being forced to pre-emptively attack another sovereign state....

[Moederloos]

I would love to see what would happen if Iran simply destroyed all its oil fields. Wonder how much the USA would care about their "people's democratic rights" etc then.

[kingmonty]

I would love to see what would happen if Iran simply destroyed all its oil fields. Wonder how much the USA would care about their "people's democratic rights" etc then.
Interesting point. That is of course a major problem for the US in Iraq, and has been throughout all major Middle Eastern (read: about OIL) conflicts - where the oil fields purposefully get torched. No doubt, this will certainly be employed as a tactic in any confrontation with military backing.

[Moederloos]

Interesting point. That is of course a major problem for the US in Iraq, and has been throughout all major Middle Eastern (read: about OIL) conflicts - where the oil fields purposefully get torched. No doubt, this will certainly be employed as a tactic in any confrontation with military backing.

I say "fark the torching, rather nuke the fields" By the time they "cool", the world would have progressed past oil.

[kingmonty]

lol, and the oil will be green?

[craigsa]

I say "fark the torching, rather nuke the fields" By the time they "cool", the world would have progressed past oil.
Agreed

[FxpForce]

Yip i think that is correct. The Muslims have been causing k@k long before the US started going after them.

Muhahahah like the sound of that :D k@k

[craigsa]

K@K? Go look at the mujahadin from hundreds of years ago they have been casuingk@k forever whether you like it or not :D

[kingmonty]

Hah! I've been causing k@k since before I was born :D

[craigsa]

Hah! I've been causing k@k since before I was born :D
I believe that :D

[Angelo]

Iran has followed all the regulations of the IAEA in implementing their nuclear energy program and they do not pose a threat to world peace in any way, the US does.

[kingmonty]

World Peace I always thought that phrase was reserved for beauty pageants.....

[krycor]

1stly Israel is not suppose to have nukes in the fisrt place, they were handed it on a silver plater by the US, like much of their army funds etc. btw israel, pakistan, india, korea i don't thinkk where even on the treaty and might not even have signed it. Thus they not forced to comply except with the whole threatened sanctions.

2ndly This region is where a large majority of oil is coming from, Israel is in a position to control the entire area, if and only if the US can wipe out all those that threaten it. As bad as Saddam was, he didn't want to put up with the Israel in control.

3rdly Will they actually build WMD ? I don't think so, the whole deal with India was cause bush prefers india in control rather than pakistan.

Another thing, who are we to deny a country the right to
a) Make scientific advances.
b) Provide power to its people(with the usual lifestyle benefits)
c) Change the currency they wish to trade oil in ? US has a lot to loose if the switch over to euro which seems steady and better.

Also seems US would prefer a less advanced society there where poverty is rife rather than a booming economy/increased life style in that region. Again the threat to Isreal would be too much and their supply of oil.

[craigsa]

I cannot believe that educated people here actually believe that Iran wants this for peacefull purposes. The pres. of Iran has openly threatened Israel and wants to destroy it or anyone who challenges them. Wake up man.

[skywatch]

Lonegunman, here’s a news item that seems to have escaped your net. The journalist calls it a “strange event” as it has all the experts puzzled. Sounds like something right up your street. Do you think the neocons could have something to do with it? http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1689_1.asp :)

[freeek]

Israel is a funny story .... I say lets get america to back us and go occupy a small little country.... keep occupying it for 50years with the backing of the super power and take over all the lands, drive out the people. The world will now accept us as... it is our country was it ever not? Any threats .... are neighbouring countries don't like us lets make a plan to wipe them out .... We are a peaceful people ... don't mess with us

[craigsa]

Maybe the poor little arabs should have thought about it before attacking Israel on every side. :) Booohooohooo !!

Israel is a funny story .... I say lets get america to back us and go occupy a small little country.... keep occupying it for 50years with the backing of the super power and take over all the lands, drive out the people. The world will now accept us as... it is our country was it ever not? Any threats .... are neighbouring countries don't like us lets make a plan to wipe them out .... We are a peaceful people ... don't mess with us

[MrJones]

sorry I'm a bit delayed but only read this post now, REALLY GOOD POST. nice information gathering LG. Lets see what happens....

[Moederloos]

All this talk reminds me of a joke I heard back in 2001.

"A father and his son are walking through a lush parkland, and the boys asks 'Dad, was this always a park?'
'No son, twenty years ago this used to be where the world trade centre was'
'Oh, but what happened to it Dad?'
'Arab terrorists destroyed it, son'
'oh, OK - but Dad, what's an Arab?'

[Spamtheman]

Guys come on man if Iran becomes nuclear which is a very big posibility then who will stop them? It is a lot easier to get the technology or equipment if they are not stopped.

Stop them from doing what? You seem to have a rather irrational fear of muslims. If you look at the tensions between Christian and Muslim societies most of it stems back to the Crusades where the Christians committed atrocoties not surpassed until the holocaust.

If you then go and do a bit of reading into how many times the Arabs have been shafted by the West in the last 200 years you'll be surprised that more of them haven't blown up some people.

[kingmonty]

Mmmm. Interesting how this has developed into a Christians vs Muslims argument. Isreal is predominantly Jewish.

The real fight here has nothing to do with WMDs (of any kind), nor has it to do with religion. It is simply about controlling the world's most important resource of this day and age. America needs to control these resources (particularly oil) to ensure it remains the world power.

[antowan]

Iran has followed all the regulations of the IAEA in implementing their nuclear energy program and they do not pose a threat to world peace in any way, the US does.

So the West (USA particularly) is the big bad Wolf and the rest of the world is noble and good?

[kingmonty]

So the West is the big bad wolf? The rest of the world is all noble and good?
The US particularly is the big bad wolf. As a super power it *should* not be using its power to control the world's resources, especially if those resources are not in your own backyard to begin with.

[freeek]

The real fight here has nothing to do with WMDs (of any kind), nor has it to do with religion. It is simply about controlling the world's most important resource of this day and age. America needs to control these resources (particularly oil) to ensure it remains the world power.

agreed but Its not only about oil and other resources ... America in general does not like the Islam as it promotes a way life that will crush lots of big american industry eg. Gambling, Alocohol, Pork, Interest, etc etc.

[craigsa]

Yes i fear Muslims. Anyone that can go and blow themselves up in a public place and kill innocent kids and the elderly i think are freaks!!

[kingmonty]

Yes i fear Muslims. Anyone that can go and blow themselves up in a public place and kill innocent kids and the elderly i think are freaks!!
But this is not behaviour that's in any way specifically ingrained in Muslims. Extremist factions of various religions in the world have taken to suicide attacks during various times throughout history.

By that same measure, Japanese Kamikaze pilots should instill mass fear in you, as they explicitly used a tactic of suicide attacks against their "enemy".

I don't in anyway agree with Suicide attacks of any kind. But I also don't believe that all Muslims are potential suicide bombers.....

[craigsa]

But this is not behaviour that's in any way specifically ingrained in Muslims. Extremist factions of various religions in the world have taken to suicide attacks during various times throughout history.

By that same measure, Japanese Kamikaze pilots should instill mass fear in you, as they explicitly used a tactic of suicide attacks against their "enemy".

I don't in anyway agree with Suicide attacks of any kind. But I also don't believe that all Muslims are potential suicide bombers.....
Kamakazi attacked military installations did they not ? I do not understand how one can defend these actions. Muslims hide behind the religion but in reality are militant. Look what is going on in the world ......Most muslims are potential suicide bombers or supporters of it. Both are therefore guilty

[kingmonty]

You can't label an entire religion bad because of a small group of people's extremist views and actions. It's precisely that attitude that's got us whities where we are today.

[freeek]

I FEAR israeli's zionists that can destroy cities with women,children and elderly in those cities ....

[craigsa]

I FEAR israeli's zionists that can destroy cities with women,children and elderly in those cities ....
Yes i hear every day that Israel's zionists are going to blow up and destroy innocent civilians all over the world. Real Geniius !! Wait until the day (may or may not) comes and someone tells you which religion you will follow or else you will be killed.:rolleyes:

[craigsa]

If Israel targets the morons who make boms then they deserve it. You start something then don't cry when someone with a bigger hand comes and gives you a smack.

[freeek]

exactly my point .... the more you destroy something and then sit on it the worst they will want to destroy you back ...

[kingmonty]

If Israel targets the morons who make boms then they deserve it. You start something then don't cry when someone with a bigger hand comes and gives you a smack.
Absolutely.

Let's look at it this way: Gaza Strip Palestinians life story over the past however many years:

Isreal: We're withdrawing. No, we staying. We're attacking insurgents. We're withdrawring. We're signing the Peacy treaty. No! We're not signing anything. We'll withdraw tomorrow. We're not withdrawing. Wait, we're building new settlements and we're not going anywhere. Ok, we'll sign the peace treaty (take 2000). Wait, we're attacking Your religious leader 'cos of his last speech! Send in the gunships. We're withdrawing...

That ****'s been going on for such a long time. Who would put up with that?

[craigsa]

Well maybe if these arabs were sincerely comitted to peace then this would not happen. Maybe they should stop firing rockets at Israel?? Have you ever been there ? Those rockets land in residential areas.

[kingmonty]

Well maybe if these arabs were sincerely comitted to peace then this would not happen. Maybe they should stop firing rockets at Israel?? Have you ever been there ? Those rockets land in residential areas.
Yes, I have been there. And it's a hell. There's firing both ways, and the Isrealis retalliate more often than is necessary. Both sides are at fault, however, the Isrealis have settled in what the UN has clearly stated is Palestinian territory, and have failed to leave the territories as required for many many years. Hamas being in power to me is a major problem, as they are exactly one of those extremist factions that give the Arab world its bad name.

[krycor]

Most muslims are potential suicide bombers or supporters of it. Both are therefore guilty

Yah I think saying most support suicide bombing is down right stupid. It would be like saying most white people in South Africa were racists pre 1994. Which is completely wrong, just because there aren't that many vocal against/aren't botherd you can't assume they all for it.ie there are 3 states not 2.

What you do have to think about is why, or rather how bad a situation must be for someone to wake up one morning and strap on a bomb walk somewhere and blow yourself up. :(

Maybe they should build and run a nuke power plant there for the Iranians that way they get the extra power they need, and don't get access to the technology the US doesn't want them to have.

Also the israeli army is the most equipped army maybe 2nd to the US army.. fighting people throwing rocks, usual armaments-guns etc and blowing themselves up. I think if it weren't for the US backing them at every stage, they wouldn't be able to have gotten away with as much as they have as the surrounding nations would have forced them to comply. Kinda like when you have a rotweiler nxt to you, you not so scared of the other dogs and can actually moon them

[craigsa]

Argument finished as it is clear we have different opinions about the middle east. You know what? Give them the nuclear technology they want and let them do what the freaking hell they want. Maybe when its too late people will say maybe we should have stopped these guys.

[craigsa]

I would also not like to compare black SA pre 94 to any muslim extremist group.
Now calmly say "Woooosah Wooooosah" !!!

[kilo39]

Isreal: We're withdrawing. No, we staying. We're attacking insurgents. We're withdrawring. We're signing the Peacy treaty. No! We're not signing anything. We'll withdraw tomorrow. We're not withdrawing. Wait, we're building new settlements and we're not going anywhere. Ok, we'll sign the peace treaty (take 2000). Wait, we're attacking Your religious leader 'cos of his last speech! Send in the gunships. We're withdrawing... Agree. Makes me ashamed to be western white - and the west (europe) says nothing!! Withholding funds - not recognising hamas (fcking elected gub!) If this was SA anc would still be terrorist organisation! :mad:

[krycor]

uhm can't find the original post you made, but my point was your assumption that most are potential suicide bombers/supporters. Extremist groups you can find of every religion and flavor.

[LoneGunman]

Geez, I go away for a day and suddenly a thread for interesting signs (to me) of possible fake terror, gets turned into a bagel throwing match :P

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INTERESTING ARTICLE ON FINAL SPEECH BY KURT VONNEGUT

Nice quote from a recent speech by Kurt Vonnegut. (If you don't know who he is, or read his books, that's your loss. He's a great writer, and one of the last serious literary intellects still shouting for political/social sanity in the US.)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0305-27.htm

“I just want to say that George W. Bush is the syphilis president.”
The students seem to agree.
“The only difference between Bush and Hitler,” Vonnegut adds, “is that Hitler was elected.”
“You all know, of course, that the election was stolen. Right here.”
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[craigsa]

uhm can't find the original post you made, but my point was your assumption that most are potential suicide bombers/supporters. Extremist groups you can find of every religion and flavor.
Hmm cannot seem to remember any Jew or Christian in our time that blew themselves up along with some inccocent kids at a shopping complex.:rolleyes:

[Gunny]

Did ne1 mention that not to long ago Iran re opened a uranium enrichment plant ......
It was all over the news

[LoneGunman]

MEET YOUR FUTURE
The Most Powerful Weapon In The World: Strategic Communication Laboratories and the war for your mind


"In a world where the perception is the reality, all countries need to have the capability to manage their own perceptual alignment – otherwise someone else will. We live in a global village, which is reliant on communication and perception. Every country needs the tools to be part of that game."

A direct quote from the website of Strategic Communication Laboratories, http://www.scl.cc/home.php a London based company that offers "the most powerful weapon in the world", the ability to manage every aspect of a conflict from one operation centre.

Take a look around their website and witness sickening quote after quote explaining how their vision is to allow the total control of citizens by their government or their military, to keep it that way, and to facilitate conflicts with and the takeover of other countries and the execution of total control over their citizens.

The idea put across by SCL is that if you can control the perceptions people have of reality, then you can control reality itself.

As the world moves further away from the 20th century concept of the Cold War, it becomes increasingly clear that the very nature of warfare itself has changed. The old style conflicts were about overpowering the enemy and winning ground. The new wars are about ideas, belief systems and ideologies. The battle is no longer about winning territory; it is about winning minds.

George Orwell was right on the money when he envisaged the coming 21st century as a battle based on the PERCEPTION of reality. in 1984, his classic warning to the world, Orwell told us that we would have to face this threat:

The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'.
- George Orwell, 1984, Chapter 3 (1948)

SCL's vision is no different from the constructed artificial reality designed to house the minds of the human race portrayed in the feature film The Matrix. If you present all the people with a fabricated collective illusion of reality, and enough meaningless distractions, they may stop questioning that reality when things don't seem to add up.

Formed in 1993, SCL's customers include NGOs, police departments, military forces, municipal authorities, and the UN. According to the website, funding for SCL has been provided by a number of "private high net worth individuals" all based in the UK.

The company has invested nearly $20 million into research at what they call the Behavioural Dynamics Institute (BDi), the world’s leading authority on persuasion, communication psychology and public diplomacy. Given that they are the "World's leaders" it is strange that they do not have a website.

SCL is about selling to the military and Governments, or those that wish to control the military and the Government, the tools that they need to fight and the win the information war for people's minds.

Within its OpCentres are all the tools needed to initiate an elite full spectrum police state takeover - reality control. The SCL website makes the following chilling statement:

The last 5 years have seen a flurry of Homeland Security scenarios enacted and re-enacted on the streets of our cities. What if there is a biological attack, or the detonation of multiple explosive devices?

However, a major flaw has emerged in many of the scenarios - the unmanageability of civilians. They do not behave as they are supposed to. When a virus hits a city, civilians do not line up for vaccination: they run for the hills. When terrorists are looking for a target, it is the predictability of civilian behaviour that makes the terrorists' job easier. What if there was a way to control civilian behaviour when it counts? Imagine the benefits of having civilians as cooperating partners.

Strategic Communication makes the people part of the solution, not part of the problem.

But how do the so-called OpCentres provide the ability to do this? Well according to SCL:

An Opcentre puts influence, control and power back into the hands of the government and military, giving them greater power to influence the enemy in time of conflict and enhanced access to their citizens during a crisis. For instance, an Opcentre can be designed to override all national radio and TV broadcasts, allowing the government and military to communicate with the public as the need arises.

The OpCentres allow for powerful PSYOP campaigns to be conducted, which can engender support within the national community for proposed military action or more bone chillingly, "develop national resilience and behavioural compliance for homeland security issues".

They also allow for the takeover and control of Financial markets, health ministries, and foreign affairs.

Modules within the Opcentres can range from "Word-of Mouth Units" to "Cultural Alignment Units" and previous projects SCL have undertaken for clients include to "Design and develop a permanent military strategic communication
facility capable of delivering strategic and operational psyop campaigns for a South Asian country." and to "Design, build and install a Homeland Security Centre for an Asian country. The Opcentre can override all national radio and TV broadcasts in time of crisis."

Internal security issues are covered too, with the ability within the OpCentre to quell public unrest, manage large crowds or riot situations, prevent insurgency and other such public affairs crises under the umbrella of a "counter-terrorism programme."

"Almost every country suffers from some problematic faction within its citizens. These disaffected groups may be driven by religious fervour, self-importance or just greed. In all cases, their ability to operate and recruit new members depends on the perceptual environment and the levels of tolerance of the state and its citizens. SCL specialises in producing solutions for governments so that they can significantly increase their control and management of disaffected groups as part of a wider counter-terrorism programme."

According to SCL, although it offers solutions for all departments of government, it "makes sense" to give total control of of their installations to the Head of State because other ministers of government may be "over zealous" or may not share the same vision.

Perhaps there may be some ministers who are not hell bent on destroying the freedoms of everyone and perpetuating endless psy-war on people and nations all over the planet? hmmm? Perhaps?

This is the future of the globalist police state takeover, they have the infrastructure in place, they have the ability to initiate the takeover NOW. However, they recognise that perception is everything and we are engaged within an INFOWAR.

They could not takeover tomorrow because not enough people would believe the perception of reality that they are transmitting. Currently we are in the majority, they still have a long way to go before their PSYOPS campaigns and "word of mouth units" can do an effective enough job.

Of course the main task currently assigned to the "Cultural Alignment Unit" is to create the perception that we are the minority, and that anyone who is not with the Government is with the "disaffected groups" more widely referred to as "the terrorists"

We are holding them off by spreading the truth and defending our freedoms in our own peaceful revolution of information. It is our reality that is at stake, they want to control our reality with conflict and disharmony and therefore they must continue to create the perception that that is the way the world is.

As SCL puts it on their own website:

We live in a world of communication, where perception is very often the reality. Those individuals that control the perceptions are the ones that control virtually everything. Most modern conflicts are based on misaligned perceptions, ideologies, opinions about religion, etc. If a government does not have the tools to manage the perceptions which effect security, defence, finance, tourism, health and foreign relations, then it may well find itself at the mercy of those that do.

We respond with the words of Orwell in 1984:

Being a minority, even a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad. The obvious, the silly, and the true had to be defended. Truisms are true, hold on to that! The solid world exists, its laws do not change. Stones are hard, water is wet, objects unsupported fall towards the earth's centre. With the feeling that he was speaking directly to O'Brien, and also that he was setting forth an important axiom, Winston wrote:

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.

[bb_matt]

Very scary words by Mr. Orwell, which seem to ring with more truth every passing day.

I recall a technique for modifying photographs, long before computers were capable of this manipulation. It was a method whereby people could be wiped out of history entirely, or airbrushed into history, or events falsified.

There's a lot of info out there, a quick search led me to this book on Amazon :-

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0805052941/102-9337411-5306533

Where am I leading with this ?
Simple really, with modern techniques, would you not think it possible to manipulate video in the same way ?
Would that video then be broadcast by government (or corporate) controlled media ?

Of course.

Which all neatly dovetails in with LGM's post above.

[craigsa]

Funny how no one has commented on the video i posted earlier ??
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2703896?htv=12&htv=12&htv=12
Seems that she has excellent valid points.

[LoneGunman]

To continue on with the manipulation of percieved reality:

Most recently:

"In an orchestrated set-up, George W. Bush announced that a plan to fly a plane into the LA Library Tower was thwarted in 2002 and within minutes news networks were showing footage of the same building being destroyed in the movie Independence Day."
The mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa, immediately went public with comments of his absolute bewilderment concerning the alleged plot.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060209/ap_on_re_us/la_terror_plot&printer=1;_ylt=Aiz5xMkmMZjaJgHOTrIkW.5H2ocA;_ylu=X 3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Within minutes of the President's speech, news networks were showing images from the movie Independence Day, where the Library Tower is destroyed as part of the alien invasion.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200602090004

In the mind of the passive viewer this information enters the brain as if it is real, and they suspend disbelief to embrace the notion that the building was destroyed by terrorists. This residue remains in the viewer's psyche and the validity of the government's response to the 'attack,' in this instance passing the soon to expire Patriot Act and justifying spying on Americans, is unquestionable. This isn't another tin-foil hat conspiracy theory, the suggestibility of television is a scientific fact that has been accepted for decades.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0005339B-A694-1CC5-B4A8809EC588EEDF

A Classic Older Example Of Total Imaginary News

"In 2003, Fox News warned us that, "Iraq could be planning a chemical or biological attack on American cities through the use of remote-controlled "drone" planes equipped with GPS tracking maps, according to U.S. intelligence."
(Iraq didn't even have an air force that could attack neighboring countries never mind elsewhere. Photographs of the alleged drones showed model kit toy aircraft that looked about as convincing as paper aeroplanes.)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79450,00.html

The Washington Post later reported that the drones were never built and the only aircraft similar in nature were capable of traveling no more than 93 miles. (The distance between America and Iraq is roughly 7,000 miles.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62442-2004Sep4.html

The Nukes That Never Was

Russian Governor and former nuclear power plant manager Pavel Ipatov stated that Iran was incapable of building a nuclear weapon. http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/02/01/iranunable.shtml
Such an assertion was even backed up by National Intelligence Director John Negroponte, who stated that Iran simply does not have the material to produce nuclear bombs. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_go_co/intelligence_congress_5
Even the CIA's own national intelligence estimate concluded that Iran was at least ten years away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080101453.html
(The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors say there is no evidence of a weapons program.)

However thanks to widespread media manipulation and perception control of the sheeple, these facts are seemingly irrelevant to the unfolding game plan.

Today:
The latest scary! danger! "Iran's Deadly EMP Weapon" articles emerging.
http://cbn.com/cbnnews/usnews/060308a.asp

(None of the experts or media mentioning that Iran would most likely have to HAVE nuclear weapons, in order to have an EMP device.)

I refer folks to the 2003 US East Coast blackout, which was a military test utilizing EMP technology.

It is known HAARP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP ) was turned on at 4pm on August 14th, just 11 minutes before the blackout occurred. Military drill Determined Promise '03 was announced just one day before the blackout and Canada militarized its border just three hours before the blackout for no apparent reason.

So if the US is shortly to see some EMP fry its systems, its almost certain to be done by elements of the Government itself, as an own goal to justify a 'response' against whoever it has lined up in its sights.

[oober]

Have a look at this information.

The U.S knows about this and is trying to secure the last drops...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/current-events.html


Wonder what the U.S will go to war for after the oil is gone...

[kilo39]

What post no. was that craigsa?

Frightening post LG

[craigsa]

??

[kilo39]

Oops! Meant rather - wanted to see the rest of any comments in the post (before watching any video, which I may or may not watch.) :rolleyes:

And just to challenge you on this:

Hmm cannot seem to remember any Jew or Christian in our time that blew themselves up along with some inccocent kids at a shopping complex

Can you remember the last time you saw bulldozers knocking people's houses down? Sound familiar?

[LoneGunman]

oober - the 'peak oil' debate is another whole saga unto itself. There's violent debate for and against the concept - as to whether this is 'real' - or whether its a diversionary tactic put out in essence by the various oil companies and their agents, who - naturally, love the idea of their product potentially assuming a far greater value than it currently has.
It is all about the oil, regardless..

[oober]

That would be even worse.

That would imply that the oil companies are basically controlling everything...

[kilo39]

In fact would say the arab, israeli thing is classic psyops - on the one hand see one thing - on the other hear something completely different.

[LoneGunman]

kilo39, yup - to give an idea of how far back it goes - here's an interesting BBC documentary: "During the Six-Day war, Israel attacked and nearly sank the USS Liberty, claiming mistaken identity. The truth turns out to be more sinister..."
(streaming links) (not sure if its working tho)
Part one: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/libertypart1.ram
Part two: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/libertypart2.ram
http://www.ussliberty.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html

oober - there's an interesting documentary for the 'pro-peak oil' folks, called 'The End of Suburbia' - if you run across it, its not half bad.

[LoneGunman]

In keeping with the 'misperception of reality' theme..
You maybe saw the movie, now watch the reality
"BBC Documentary – Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor. The official account states that this was a surprise attack by the Japanese, the truth turns out to be different.
stream it: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/sacrificeatpearlharbor.ram
download it: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/sacrificeatpearlharbor.rm

Discovery Science – Owning the Weather
Documentary that looks at the history of weather modification and its use by the military. Among the topics covered are: cloud seeding, HAARP and declassified experiments.
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/owning_the_weather.ram
download it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/owning_the_weather.rm

MK Ultra and the 'Mind Sciences' – US government research and the Nazis
low quality: http://www.thelawparty.com/MediaPlayer/CIA/MKULTRA%20Full%20Documentary.WMV
hi quality: http://gnn.tv/dangerous/bb_qt.html

IBM, the Nazis and the holocaust
low quality: http://gnn.tv/ibm/med_qt.html
hi quality: http://gnn.tv/ibm/bb_qt.html

The History Channel – 'The Invisible Machine'
Unravels the mystery of the Bell Island "boom" and in doing so takes a chilling look at the US military's experimentation with electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapons - "e-bombs"
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/invisible_machine.ram
download it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/invisible_machine.rm

Munich: Mossad's Revenge What really happened after the 1972 massacre of 11 Israeli athletes in Munich? Channel 4 investigates, revealing some disturbing facts in the process. Features interviews with former Mossad personnel
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/mossads_revenge.ram
download it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/mossads_revenge.rm

[ghoti]

...and my prediction is that next week, somewhere in the middle east.. its going to be sunny.

[kilo39]

Just happened to look up that domain (still digesting your orwell post)

->A direct quote from the website of Strategic Communication Laboratories, http://www.scl.cc/home.php

TLD Info: Cocos (Keeling) Islands. WTF?? Could we possibly find a more obscure part of the planet?

[LoneGunman]

kilo39, yeah..that's how things work. Quiet and out of the way..

more documentaries :)
The History Channel – Hollywood and the Pentagon Documentary about the American army's involvement with Hollywood and filmmaking. The head of the Film Liaison Office makes no secret of his goals: flattering the US Army, winning support for its actions on the battlefield, and encouraging more soldiers to sign up. In short: pure propaganda. Scripts are cut and watered down; characters are changed; the historical truth is fudged.
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/hollywood_pentagon.ram
download it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/hollywood_pentagon.rm

John Stauber of ‘PR Watch’ – a short film about propaganda
low: http://http.dvlabs.com/gnn/asx/gnn/stauber_med.asx
high: http://http.dvlabs.com/gnn/asx/gnn/stauber_bb.asx

The War Conspiracy – Connections between the CIA, oil companies and the Vietnam war
low http://http.dvlabs.com/gnn/asx/gnn/war_med.asx
high http://http.dvlabs.com/gnn/asx/gnn/war_bb.asx

TV Documentary – Assassination of Russia In 1999, apartment buildings in Russia were supposedly blown up by Chechen separatists, but evidence shows that the Russian secret services were involved
stream http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/assassinationofrussia.ram
download http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/assassinationofrussia.rm

Stupidity This documentary film sets out to determine whether our culture is hooked on deliberate ignorance as a strategy for success. Stupidity examines the "dumbing down" of contemporary culture, and reveals that, despite our extensive access to knowledge and information, humans continue to choose stupidity
stream http://www.indybay.org/uploads/stupidity.ram
download http://www.indybay.org/uploads/stupidity.rm

ITV John Pilger – Stealing a Nation: How Britain and the US expelled an entire population. TV documentary that reveals the shocking, almost incredible story of the expulsion of the population of the Chagos Islands in the Indian Ocean by British government, in order to make way for an American military base, from which Iraq and Afghanistan have been attacked
stream: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/stealing_a_nation.ram
download: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/stealing_a_nation.rm
(supporting archive of BBC news stories)
http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/10/1698639.php

The History Channel – Anthrax Attacks How was it that refined anthrax favoured by and under the control of the US bio-defence community found its way into letters sent to news outlets and US Senators in what appeared to be another terrorist attack? The FBI investigation soon closed in on the USAMRIID at Fort Detrick, Maryland
stream http://www.indybay.org/uploads/anthrax_attacks.ram
download http://www.indybay.org/uploads/anthrax_attacks.rm

[ghoti]

Which is a better society? Orwellian or anarchial?

[craigsa]

:rolleyes:
May or may not watch the video ? I asked for comments on the video. May or may not watch it ????
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Sorr but i didn't know they bulldozed people's houses woth innocent kids in it. Suicide bombers' houses were bulldozed and they should have been.

Wonder how you would feel if your family were blown up for just going shopping.
Oops! Meant rather - wanted to see the rest of any comments in the post (before watching any video, which I may or may not watch.) :rolleyes:

And just to challenge you on this:

Hmm cannot seem to remember any Jew or Christian in our time that blew themselves up along with some inccocent kids at a shopping complex

Can you remember the last time you saw bulldozers knocking people's houses down? Sound familiar?

[LoneGunman]

The History Channel – Promises and Betrayals Documentary on how British double-dealing during WWI ignited the conflict between Arab and Jew in the Middle East. This is a story of intrigue among rival empires; of misguided strategies; and of how conflicting promises created a legacy of bloodshed which determined the fate of the Middle East. This film pieces together a disturbing picture of a cynical and duplicitous war time govt.
stream http://www.indybay.org/uploads/promises_betrayals.ram
download http://www.indybay.org/uploads/promises_betrayals.rm

BBC Three - Bush Family Fortunes Investigation by the BBC and Greg Palast

download: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/bush_family_fortunes.wmv

We Interrupt This Empire 52 minutes, USA (2003) language: English What happens when a trigger-happy cowboy with a pocket full of loot aims his guns on an oil-rich, people-poor nation? The San Francisco Bay Area Video Activist Network presents the story you won't see on Fox News: an eye-popping, jaw-dropping look at the Bay Area's radical resistance to an illegal war. "We Interrupt This Empire..." is a collaborative work by many of the Bay Area's independent video activists which documents the direct actions that shut down the financial district of San Francisco in the weeks following the United States' invasion of Iraq. With the audio backdrop including live broadcasts of Enemy Combatant Radio from the SF Independent Media, the documentary takes a look at the diverse show of resistance from the streets of San Francisco as well as providing a critique of the corporate media coverage of the war and exploring such issues as the Military Industrial Complex, attack on civil liberties, and the United States' current imperialist drive.
stream: http://www.n5m.org/n5m4/medialibrary/display.php?id=081

[kilo39]

Wonder how you would feel if your family were blown up for just going shopping. Or hijacked going shopping. It's all the same ****. Said it before: body count is in favour of the israelis (mostly dead arab kids.) Sorry man. Denying a people a voice will never solve problems. I am ashamed of the west. And lets not even argue it - wish.

And LG - video generally - our media desert - thanks telkom. Makes me realise we do not have broadband.

BTW. Looked at little into the Strategic Communication Lab website. People seem/are genuine. Strikes me as being one of those wild and wacky scary internet things - but not.

Then again - what is an advertising agency - or rather a PR agency spun big time. Saatchi in another disguise. :rolleyes:

[LoneGunman]

short trailer for a good media studies-related film "Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land - U.S. Media & the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict(2004) (scroll down and click on the 'play video' button)
http://mediaed.org/videos/MediaRaceAndRepresentation/PeacePropaganda/#

and for a lengthier analysis that goes to the heart of the matter:
Is Criticism of Israel Anti-Semitic? (scroll down the page for the different segments http://www.workingtv.com/finkelstein.html

[dominic]

LG - what is the offered logic in relation to a generally publicised general stand-down? sounds very odd as a kind of open invitation.....

[LoneGunman]

re the logic of a semi publicised stand down.. well, it allows them to say 'gosh, those NAUGHTY TERRORISTS - its such a coincidence that our stand-down coincided with evil *fill in blank and details here*'

That sounds ludicrously simplistic, but that's almost exactly what was done on 911, and how the Government explained away the utter improbability of the content of military exercises coinciding with reality.
('gosh, our airplanes were mostly up in the north, our FBI experts were in california, and its just an amazing coincidence that we were running multiple military exercises on 911 that were dealing with hijacked aircraft.')
911, as detailed elsewhere on forum - had anywhere from 2 - 3 or more military exercises running on 911, as well as a strange unexplained (and admittedly) unanounced effective 'stand-down' of NORAD.

So it sounds almost too simple to be likely, but the overt stand-down announcement, is a sufficient window to potentially allow for a 'gosh what a coincidence, those sneaky *fill in blank here* attacked us!'

EDIT: This 'exercise' story was EXACTLY what happened on the day of the London Underground bombs.
So this 'coincidence' of military exercises duplicating what mysteriously begins to happen in reality - happened not only on 911, but in London as well.


"A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.

On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
HERE'S AN AUDIO CLIP: http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/090705exercise_clip_2.mp3
HERE'S A LONGER CLIP to get the context:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/090705exercise_clip.mp3

Here's a short UK TV clip, where the 'exercises' are mentioned, during the live coverage:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/110705bombingexercises.htm

There's a large quantity of news reports on the London Bombings, stored at the link below, most of which can be sourced to their original Media platforms. http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/london/index.htm

So the point is - 'subtlety of behaviour by 'whoever' - be it the Neocons, 'globalists' or whatever phrase one wants to use - isn't needed. The public will accept the 'official story' as conveyed through mass media, so thoroughly, that they'll tend to expend more energy in remaining fixed to that viewpoint, than in expending a lesser quantity of energy to examine data more closely, and face the personal shock of a total paradigm shift.

[LoneGunman]

News Item: VIDEO - Bush's Orwellian Attack on Whistleblowers and the Media

"The Bush Administration has ordered investigations into who blew the whistle and leaked information about NSA domestic spying and information about secret CIA prisons.
Employees of the CIA and other agencies have been questioned and forced to undergo polygraph testing. The Justice Department has warned that journalists may also be prosecuted under Federal espionage laws.

(In other words, instead of fixing the problems that whistleblowers and journalists point out - the Bush Administration is looking at how to make the act of anyone who says anything - 'illegal'.)

This video is a segment from Monday's MSNBC Countdown. Craig Crawford discusses the chilling effect this attack has on the ability to report information about the government. In effect, we are quickly getting to the point where only official information released by the government can be reported by the media."
Video in Streaming Flash format...
http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.ameratsu.com/media/vid/msnbc/msnbc_ko_bush_attacking_media_060306a_240x180.flv&width=480&height=360&OrigWidth=240&OrigHeight=180
Video in Windows Media format...
http://www.ameratsu.com/media/vid/msnbc/msnbc_ko_bush_attacking_media_060306a_240x180.wmv
Audio in MP3 format...
http://www.ameratsu.com/media/vid/msnbc/msnbc_ko_bush_attacking_media_060306a.mp3

NEWS ITEM: UK Guardian 9 March. (Bush/Katrina) 'A Deaf Man Spouting'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1726482,00.html

[LoneGunman]

Just to tie in with the earlier suggested 'Iranian killer subs could strike/be used as fake origins of a US nuke' idea - given the upcoming Navy stand-down.
Iran Launches Submarine In Persian Gulf Waters (2006/03/07):
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=208959&n=33

[craigsa]

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=266263&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/
So much for being years away hey experts ?

"A senior British Foreign Office official said that while it could take Iran several years to build a serviceable nuclear weapon, it might gain the technical knowhow within months. "By the end of the year is a ... realistic period," said the official. "It would be really damaging to regional security if Iran even acquired the technology to enable it to develop a nuclear weapon."

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=265953&area=/insight/insight__international/

[kingmonty]

"A senior British Foreign Office official said..."

Here. Have a whole sack of salt.

[LoneGunman]

So lets get this right, when a Government official says something that conveniently seems to fit into your view of the political reality, you accept it instantly, without once stopping to ask yourself if there's any proof or prior history that a Government official has lied to the Media and the public with regard to the current 'War on Terror'?

Look at the downing street memo, showing the US and the UK trying to find useful excuses for the war that would work on the public. Or the previously pointed out 'made up story' of Iraq's nonexistent WMD's. There's tons of evidence showing that the UK and the US have simply 'made up' whatever reasons they think will justify whatever they want to do.

and as for the "A senior British Foreign Office official said that while it could take Iran several years to build a serviceable nuclear weapon, it might gain the technical knowhow within months."

That's exactly the same logic of a Lotto official saying to you "while it could take you several years to win the Lotto, you might win within months!"

There's not one definite statement of fact. But it 'sounds' like its factual. That's PR spin and propaganda at work.

If there's a prior history and evidence of someone lying to you and making up fake evidence, surely you need to be a little more critical in your reasoning when looking at their subsequent statements. Especially when they seem to fit so nicely into what you already want to believe?

[craigsa]

Only time will tell.

[LoneGunman]

Exactly.
However, looking at it from the point of view of dealing with an historically proven liar - if said liar is wanting/planning to do something new - based on new statements which might well be lies again, surely stepping back and allowing them to do whatever they want, is to be letting oneself become complicit in actions which might be incredibly violent and lethal to others?

How many times do you trust someone who lies to you? Once? Twice? Three times? 'As many times as they want'?
One has to find ones own ethical line in the sand, to make a decision about what ones being made to accept - given the violent consequences, if the proven liar intends to kill people, based on possible new lies.

Its no good saying 'X might kill other people, which then justifies us killing X first'. Then one's operating exactly as the Nazi's and various other historically viewed 'bad guys' did - killing off what they saw as future potential enemies. It might seem to be 'peace' focused, to go punching other people first, because of your own ideas that they're going to punch you later - but in the act of doing that, what kind of person do you actually become?

[craigsa]

LG let me ask you something. Would you rather wait until (may or may not) Iran becomes nuclear and then makes a bomb and the whole world goes to nuclear war? If they have the technology they are without doubt going to use it. It is human nature.

[LoneGunman]

yes, I'd rather wait, then discover that I've become the Nazi.

Better a dead decent person, than a live Nazi, surrounded by the corpses of people I figured 'might hurt me later'.

To think any other way, is to be stepping into psychopathic and deranged behaviour.

'Kill the people who 'might' kill you at some future point? Where's your personal ethics and decency gone to?

You just end up as a common murderer then, justifying your totally insane acts by pointing to some future idea that you have.

You must've arrested people who've used that logic - so why adopt it and think its logical when its a State talking?

[kingmonty]

How about a complete international disarmament of all Nuclear and other Mass Destruction Weapons worldwide, including the power hungry greedy America and EU.

[craigsa]

Eish LG i don't know that i agree with you on this. I fear nulcear weapons in the hands of these madmen. Anyone who threatens to destroy another country should be taken care of first. Look what happened in 1930's. If they had acted immidiately on Hitler then we would not have had ww2. (maybe)

[freeek]

The British is another funny country ... They have taken over more countries and than any other nation on this planet, yet they as a nation blabber about the morals of another nations doing so.

If the british were truely a moral nation they would give back all the treasures that they stole from other nations. They have'nt returned a thing and no nation will dare ask them out of fear.

[LoneGunman]

craigsa - again - u say "I fear nulcear weapons in the hands of these madmen. Anyone who threatens to destroy another country should be taken care of first. Look what happened in 1930's. If they had acted immidiately on Hitler then we would not have had ww2."

Yes, but what you ARE suggesting, is EXACTLY the thinking of Hitler and the Nazi's themselves, you see?

ie: "lets go kill, and round up and slaughter the people we think are going to hurt or destroy US'

The only sane way to avoid that falling into the trap of becoming the Nazi oneself, is to go 'I'm NOT going to kill someone else because they allegedly might be a threat to me or my country'. I refuse to use that logic to justify murdering someone 'in advance'.

There's no other way to operate, and stay a decent human being. I'd rather be dead, or my country invaded, than to turn into the backward mad logic of being a 'peace-loving' State/person, that is willing to kill untold numbers of humans, in order to 'have peace'.
That road leads to Auschwitz and mass murder.

Rather disbelieve anyone and any State that tells you 'we have to go KILL someone else because they're going to/might/intend to KILL us.'

Once you accept that first step. Then you're like the Nazi's who started with the mentally retarded and gun control, and ended up burning corpses and getting VERY surprised when the world pointed out that this was 'wrong'.
It's a slippery slope, once you take that first step, of pre-emptively killing or attacking your 'enemy'- whoever they might be.

[craigsa]

Are you mad? I am not saying go and kill 6million people. I am saying that Iran has threatened destruction or intimidation of other countries. They started this. So what must we wait until their publicised intentions are realised? If this rouge regime threatens world peace which it is doing then yes go and sort them out.

[craigsa]

Rather sacrifice the Iranian dictator then the whole world due to nuclear holocaust.

[LoneGunman]

you ARE saying 'lets go kill six million people' - the instant you say 'Rather sacrifice the Iranian dictator then the whole world due to nuclear holocaust.'

'sacrifice'? You hear how your language is making murder sound almost 'justifiable'? That's part of the process that happens in the logic of the people who want to kill 'in advance'.

Again, you're trusting previous proven liars, to tell you that 'lets go kill someone who hasnt done anything physically - because they might/will do it'

No difference then, between you and your thinking, and the Nazi's who said 'Lets round up these stooges who are part of the Internal Jewish Conspiracy - and who threaten to destroy our Nation. They're GOING to hurt us - lets hurt THEM first.'

Don't you learn any lessons from history?

You've fallen into 'becoming what you hate the most'.

[craigsa]

I dont see how you can compare the west to the nazi's. Muslims have proven their intent all over the world. Iran has said publicly what it wants to do.(destroy anyone who it does not like). Taking out this lunatic is the right thing to do. But you knw what as i said time will tell. In the end i hope i am proved wrong. We just need one ********* to get a nuke and use it and then it is all over. Lets just hope you are right and i am wrong.

[ettubrute]

We just need one ********* to get a nuke and use it and then it is all over. Lets just hope you are right and i am wrong.Unfortunately right! And I help you hoping...

[LoneGunman]

Like I say, rather a dead decent person, than the horror of realising - as one shovels dead muslim corpses (or other 'enemy') into a gas oven - that one has become what one never believed possible..
Again, the West is strong.
If and when a nuke event happens - first one sees where it truly came from, and what constitutes a valid response.

Again, given the political games played by the West, where attacking oneself and then blamiing 'the enemy' for it, in order to do what you wanted to do in the first place, is normal operating procedure - this sensible approach is unlikely to happen.

But the oil hungry nations don't want radioactive petroleum, so we'll see, I guess :P

Nuclear events aren't entirely like the movies, I doubt we'll ever have a 'everyone shooting off what they have' scenario - the powers that be fully intend to keep making money as long as possible, and consolidating power - and a charred empty Earth won't be much use to them, therefore, it won't happen like that, I'd guess..

[kingmonty]

LG hit the nail on the head right there. Any country willing to pre-emptively strike another country (which is immensely weaker to begin with, irrespective of whatever types of weapons they may be able to develop) in supposed fear of being attacked by such a country may well have a case if all allegations are proven.

However, the USA have made it entirely clear that they do not need to provde such proof. Now, really... The USA is reaching for plot here. Iran is roughly the size of Alaska. The US has more Military Personnel (more than 1.375 Million Men & Women). The Iranian estimated Army size: 350 000 or less. Now, let's get to the real issue here... The USA had a stockpile of 10640 Nuclear weapons at the end of 2002. Iran has Zero. Nada. Zip, nothing. In fact, the US has more nuclear weapons stockpiled than Russia, France, China and the UK combined.

[kingmonty]

Muslims have proven their intent all over the world....
You should not place an entire religion into the mould of a few extremist types.

[craigsa]

A few ? Um ok if you say so. I think it is the other way around

[useless]

i just hope they start whatever business they want with nukes, oil, popcorn or whatsoever by June.. by then i should have all the games that i need to last me a few Nuclear Winters... :p

[LoneGunman]

craigsa - you probably think 'denial' is a river in Egypt :P

[Moederloos]

... The USA had a stockpile of 10640 Nuclear weapons at the end of 2002. Iran has Zero. Nada. Zip, nothing. In fact, the US has more nuclear weapons stockpiled than Russia, France, China and the UK combined.

Or. more to the point, The US has more nuclear weapons THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD put together. And people want to just let them have a free hand? Madness.

[kingmonty]

Or. more to the point, The US has more nuclear weapons THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD put together. And people want to just let them have a free hand? Madness.
exactly

[LoneGunman]

US 'ELECTION' MACHINES IN ACTION- NEWS- (from March 8)
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/08/Neighborhoodtimes/Incumbents_return_in_.shtml
FL Candidate Votes for Self, Sequoia Touch-Screen Voting Machine Flips Vote to Opponent
"And on Election Day Cook charged that the voting machines malfunctioned in several precincts, including his own precinct at Skyview Recreation Center. When Cook tried to vote for himself, the machine defaulted to a vote for Taylor. A precinct worker finally moved Cook to a different booth.
Later in the day, Cook said he had other reports of voting machines malfunctioning in similar ways."


E-Voting System Adds 100,000+ Votes in One Texas County During Tuesday's Primary Election!
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/local/14056065.htm
"An undetected computer glitch in Tarrant County led to inflated election returns in Tuesday's primaries but did not alter the outcome of any local race, elections and county officials said Wednesday.
The error caused Tarrant County to report as many as 100,000 votes in both primaries that never were cast.."

[LoneGunman]

Bush Approval Polls Keep on Dropping
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060310/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

"Bush's job approval among Republicans plummeted from 82 percent in February to 74 percent, a dangerous sign in a midterm election year when parties rely on enthusiasm from their most loyal voters. The biggest losses were among white males.

On issues, Bush's approval rating declined from 39 percent to 36 percent for his handling of domestic affairs and from 47 percent to 43 percent on foreign policy and terrorism. His approval ratings for dealing with the economy and Iraq held steady, but still hovered around 40 percent.

Personally, far fewer Americans consider Bush likable, honest, strong and dependable than they did just after his re-election campaign.

By comparison, Presidents Clinton and Reagan had public approval in the mid 60s at this stage of their second terms in office, while Eisenhower was close to 60 percent, according to Gallup polls. Nixon, who was increasingly tangled up in the Watergate scandal, was in the high 20s in early 1974.."
(emphasis added)

[Moederloos]

Bush Approval Polls Keep on Dropping
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060310/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

"Bush's job approval among Republicans plummeted from 82 percent in February to 74 percent, a dangerous sign in a midterm election year when parties rely on enthusiasm from their most loyal voters. The biggest losses were among white males.

On issues, Bush's approval rating declined from 39 percent to 36 percent for his handling of domestic affairs and from 47 percent to 43 percent on foreign policy and terrorism. His approval ratings for dealing with the economy and Iraq held steady, but still hovered around 40 percent.

Personally, far fewer Americans consider Bush likable, honest, strong and dependable than they did just after his re-election campaign.

By comparison, Presidents Clinton and Reagan had public approval in the mid 60s at this stage of their second terms in office, while Eisenhower was close to 60 percent, according to Gallup polls. Nixon, who was increasingly tangled up in the Watergate scandal, was in the high 20s in early 1974.."
(emphasis added)

Well, his Daddy's friens like him - and that's all that matters... :mad:

[LoneGunman]

FBI Grills Professor Over Support for Venezuela
http://www.counterpunch.org/shore03102006.html

"A Pomona College professor who is an outspoken critic of U.S. policy in Venezuela was questioned yesterday by two agents from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) in what he calls an act of intimidation.

The detectives visited Miguel Tinker-Salas during his office hours at about 2:40 or 2:45 pm Wednesday. They questioned him for about 20 minutes in his office at Pomona College in Claremont, Calif. The detectives identified themselves but their names are being withheld at the request of the FBI."

[LoneGunman]

NEW BILL: "Would eavesdropping bill snag reporters?"
Analysts: Provisions make reporting on government surveillance illegal
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11769643/

""The bill would make it a crime to tell the American people that the president is breaking the law, and the bill could make it a crime for the newspapers to publish that fact," said Martin, a civil liberties advocate."
and

'LAPDOGS OF THE PRESS'
"Of all the unhappy trends I have witnessed-conservative swings on television networks, dwindling newspaper circulation, the jailing of reporters and "spin"-nothing is more troubling to me than the obsequious press during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. They lapped up everything the Pentagon and White House could dish out-no questions asked.."
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20060327&s=thomas

[LoneGunman]

spotted this interesting mention.
Recall the discussion previously about the propaganda company operating below the radar?
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=39010&page=6&highlight=strategic

"..Broughton declined to mention many specific clients, noting that disclosing SCL's involvement—particularly in countries with a free and open media—could make its campaigns less effective. However, he says that post-apartheid South Africa has employed SCL."
http://www.slate.com/id/2126479

[LoneGunman]

Ready or Not, Bird Flu Is Coming to America
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/AvianFlu/story?id=1716820
"In a remarkable speech over the weekend, Secretary of Health and Human Services Michael Leavitt recommended that Americans start storing canned tuna and powdered milk under their beds as the prospect of a deadly bird flu outbreak approaches the United States."

BIRD FLU MEETS THE MILITARY
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/04/AR2005100400681.html
"President Bush said yesterday that he would consider using the military to "effect a quarantine" in the event of an outbreak of pandemic influenza in the United States.

and in case you forgot - 'DETENTION CAMPS' are being built.
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D-AE8A-4B5C-94C7-70171315C0A0%7D&dateid=38741.5136277662-858254656
"KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M"
"The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency.."

[Rkootknir]

The USA had a stockpile of 10640 Nuclear weapons at the end of 2002. Iran has Zero. Nada. Zip, nothing. In fact, the US has more nuclear weapons stockpiled than Russia, France, China and the UK combined.

Or. more to the point, The US has more nuclear weapons THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD put together. And people want to just let them have a free hand? Madness.Just a clarification. The US and Russia account for the majority of the world's estimated 20 000 nukes. The US has approximately 10 600 as you said, the Russians have about 8 600.

The Russians however have about 18 000 intact warheads awaiting dismantlement, so technically they remain, as was always the case, the country with the largest amount of nuclear weapons.

[LoneGunman]

"Arab Central Banks Move Assets Out of Dollar"
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article351127.ece
"Middle Eastern anger over the decision by the US to block a Dubai company from buying five of its ports hit the dollar yesterday as a number of central banks said they were considering switching reserves into euros.
The United Arab Emirates, which includes Dubai, said it was looking to move one-tenth of its dollar reserves into euros, while the governor of the Saudi Arabian central bank condemned the US move as "discrimination".
Separately, Syria responded to US sanctions against two of its banks by confirming plans to use euros instead of dollars for its external transactions.
The remarks combined to knock the dollar, which fell against the euro, pound and yen yesterday as analysts warned other central banks might follow suit."

[LoneGunman]

Article: Is The US Headed For Nigeria And Its Oil?
http://www.alternet.org/story/33282/
"If U.S. troops go to Africa, it won't be for a humanitarian intervention; it will be to protect American oil interests in the troubled Niger Delta.
Africa's humanitarian needs -- today the pillage in Darfur, yesterday the famine in Niger -- dominate the headlines. Human suffering, from hunger to rape, also dominates the limited attention that Americans have for hearing about problems in the most troubled part of the world. Now that may be changing as an armed insurgency in oil-rich Nigeria threatens oil exports to the U.S. and raises the possibility that U.S. troops will dig into African soil in order to protect a resource deemed vital to American interests.

In short, Nigeria might be the next Iraq.."

[LoneGunman]

Breaking News. UK. Terrorism Act arrests at Staffordshire Hospital, UK

Four men have been arrested at a hospital in Staffordhire, UK, under the terrorism act. Details are pretty sketchy at the moment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4859496.stm

[Moederloos]

Latest breaking news:

"Bush orders pre-emptive strikes against the Canary Islands in bid to curb spread of bird flu".

:D

[IanC]

Latest breaking news:

"Bush orders pre-emptive strikes against the Canary Islands in bid to curb spread of bird flu".

:D

Breaking news: Pre-emptive strike launched against Turkey as well :D

[LoneGunman]

THE 'USING A DRILL TO ACT AS COVER FOR AN ACTUAL MILITARY BLACK OPERATION' TECHNIQUE, APPEARS AGAIN.


Bird Flu Outbreak Coincided With Drill

Britain's bird flu scare that officials are now warning could spread to other areas of Scotland coincided with an exercise that drilled a response to an avian flu outbreak. The drill included the involvement of Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence.

The BBC reports that the exercise was cancelled as soon as the discovery of the H5 virus in the dead swan in Fife was made.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4878198.stm

"The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs in London was running it with control centres in Bury St Edmunds, Leeds, Cardiff and Gloucester," states the article.

"It also involved the Association of Chief Police Officers, the Environment Agency, Downing Street, the Ministry of Defence, and other government departments."

The drill revolved around a scenario where bird flu was discovered in two places in England and one in Wales.

Why is this important to note?

Staged-managed manufactured crises are always paralleled by drills of the same nature. This provides culpable deniability if any government agency is caught with their hands in the cookie jar. They can say it was just part of the drill.
Obviously, other organizations like the RSPCA and farming groups would have no knowledge of what the drill is really intended to achieve and at this stage it is just a coincidence. However, if the crisis were to escalate causing Blair's government to start restricting the movement of people then more serious questions would need to be asked. If the next three cases of bird flu popped up in Norfolk, south Wales and northern England, the same places as in the drill, then this would turn into a smoking gun.

REMINDER

A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th. The statistical probability of these two events coinciding was astronomical. The exercises provided cover in case government involvement in the attacks was proven, although after this website first brought wide attention to the drills on July 13th, that culpable deniability vanished.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm

Wargames running on the morning of 9/11 simulated planes crashing into high visibility buildings on the US east coast. These drills were enough to confuse air traffic controllers about the real world nature of the actual hijacked planes thereby slowing response times and enabling them to find their targets. In addition the exercises also provided culpable deniability.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm

Though a bird flu outbreak is in a different league to terrorist bombings, the outcome will eventually be very similar in terms of emergency police state measures rushed through to respond to the situation.

For those who doubt the veracity of a British government plot to once again eviscerate the livelihoods of farmers (the biggest power block opposing Blair) in an act of 'Agraterrorism', just consider the fact that a vial of the Foot and Mouth virus was supposedly 'stolen' from Porton Down bio-weapons facility before the 2001 outbreak took place. The Sunday Express reported that it was released deliberately and could have possibly been the source of the outbreak two months later. http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/04/08/story9257.asp

The Foot and Mouth disease spread like wildfire throughout the country as many accused the government of not doing nearly enough to contain it and the spring of 2001 in England was characterized by apocalyptic images of burning pyres dotted all over the countryside as over four million animals were slaughtered.

Coupled with reports of the government making inquiries to timber merchants and sign makers (before closing public footpaths), it is inconceivable that an animal rights activist, as we are led to believe, could have penetrated a level 4 bio-weapons facility that also houses anthrax and ebola and is protected by armed guards of the Ministry of Defence Police and the Military Provost Guard Service. The individual who stole the vial must have had full security clearance to enter the facility. Why would an animal rights activist release a virus that would kill four million animals?
http://www.robertkey.com/epolitics/e-0016.htm

Patricia Doyle, PhD also reported that Foot and Mouth exercises were being run by the British government immediately before the outbreak was made public. http://www.rense.com/general9/fttd.htm

[LoneGunman]

America's war on the web
http://www.sundayherald.com/54975

"While the US remains committed to hunting down al-Qaeda operatives, it is now taking the battle to new fronts. Deep within the Pentagon, technologies are being deployed to wage the war on terror on the internet, in newspapers and even through mobile phones."

IMAGINE a world where wars are fought over the internet; where TV broadcasts and newspaper reports are designed by the military to confuse the population; and where a foreign armed power can shut down your computer, phone, radio or TV at will.

"In 2006, we are just about to enter such a world. This is the age of information warfare, and details of how this new military doctrine will affect everyone on the planet are contained in a report, entitled The Information Operations Roadmap, commissioned and approved by US secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld and seen by the Sunday Herald.."
read on at http://www.sundayherald.com/54975

[Nanfeishen]

To get back to Iran (sorry) good thread by the way, i see everybody looking west towards the US but remember that just to the East is the worlds biggest growing ECONOMIC power, China.
Economically they pose the biggest threat to the US and EU, but they need fuel to run their economy, so it is easier to destabilise Iran than to destabilise China , (who do you think China recieves its oil from) .
A destabilised country isn't a threat, a stable country is, by getting factions to fight inside, as is happening in iraq, you remove the threat of economic stability, financial backing , hard currency, the country cant support itself and its own people, then it cannot be a threat, it cannot provide for itself , how can it provide to anyone else?